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Mort-Hog 07-09-2003 09:24 AM

Bush's approval rating at LF
Do you think Bush has done a good job? Do you think he has handled the war with Iraq, Afganistan and the 'war on terrorism' well? Are you angry that he lied about WMD? Do you think he has improved the US' diplomatic relations? How well has he handled the US internally? (the Americans will probably find that an easier question to answer)

Have your say! and I won't cuss you down! not at first anyway.

Oystein 07-09-2003 10:28 AM

Bush is a sick bastard and the real threat to world peace. I hope someone assassinates him and his bitches (Blair, Fogh-Rasmussen, etc.). End of rant. Seriously though, I think he's just enlarging the gap between east and west. And religion is, as always, the root to all evil.

BooJaka 07-09-2003 10:39 AM

I am English. I have interest in current affairs that take place outside the land I own

C Shutt 07-09-2003 10:42 AM


Rogue15 07-09-2003 11:43 AM

I'm interested in knowing how gore would've handled all the mess. :D

Gabez 07-10-2003 02:00 PM

The Iraq war was terrible, and I don't like George Bush at all. He's also an idiot with the environment don't forget.

STTCT 07-10-2003 02:48 PM

He saved those people from poverty! Look at in lavash castles...just how many feet away from poverty stricken cities. His people were living in dirt and filth while he was living the life! I just wish Bush had not used the lame ass excuse about WMD and just made it more of a "saving the people" war instead of all this propaganda.

C Shutt 07-10-2003 03:02 PM

If these people were saved from poverty, shouldn't they be, I don't know... less poor?

STTCT 07-10-2003 03:05 PM takes time. Its still a transition. You can't tell me they were better off with the Regime?

MrManager 07-10-2003 03:16 PM

So the US should be able to attack any regime it doesn't like? And obviously it was something they did just to be nice to the poor Iraqis. Yes. America is big-hearted.

STTCT 07-10-2003 03:18 PM

Well someone has to stop the people who starve their people and torture them. I don't care if it's America doing the stopping or any other country. Some countries just aren't brave enough to step up to the plate. They'd rather let another country do it and then rag on them for it.

scabb 07-10-2003 03:38 PM

But there are people starving in America too. Shouldn't Bush sort them out with a nice bacon butty before he goes off to Iraq?

And yeah, I heard that Saddam rides around on horseback, striking at innocent people with his iron whip whilst humming the theme tune to 'Black Beauty'

bgbennyboy 07-10-2003 03:47 PM

America has some incredible poverty, if intervention is for humanitarian reasons it should get its own house in order first. There are American people who live in 'filth and dirt' while rich people live around them.

From a certain perspective America is just as bad as any 'evil regime', its detaining people without trial in Guantannamo Bay in breech of their human rights and when people from there are tried its in a military court with no independent judge and jury. Two British citizens are due to be tried in this manner, who on earth is America to try citizens from another country like this? America is by no means whiter than white.

Sometimes intervention, especially from a position of fear and strength is the easy option. Intervention from a position of such overwhelming military strength isnt bravery, its merely a rejection of diplomacy and an assertion of unilateralism. The point Carl made about poverty is still valid since America and other countries seem to have failed to plan for the aftermath of war. Food and sanitation are still lacking, if America was serious about Iraqi poverty they would have put together a much bigger Iraqi aid package. Thats not to say that things wont get better in the long term but the welfare of the Iraqi people was clearly not a motivating factor in the decision of America to go to war.

STTCT 07-10-2003 03:56 PM

I don't think america could afford a much bigger aid package. We have to take care of our people too. As far as people starving here...its not like they are opressed. They can get jobs, food stamps etc. It is not like there aren't programs in our country that helps the poor out. And poverty here is not even comparable to what went on in Iraq

Oystein 07-10-2003 04:54 PM

You say things like this takes time. Well, what about Afghanistan then? Everything there works like a charm now, doesn't it? Nah, Bush is just manipulating the fear in the American people after 9/11 so he can use his powers to wipe out the so-called "axis of evil". What's even more disgusting is his claims to be righteous and that he's doing this through God. The Christian people is enough misguided already.

STTCT 07-10-2003 06:15 PM

Time = years

afganistan = years

This stuff takes years and years of improvement - it is childish to think that it will be an instant change. It is going to take a long time, but in the long run I feel that the Iraqi people are better off and Clinton certainly didn't do anything besides getting laid so...hum. Go Bush!

Alien426 07-10-2003 06:57 PM

Well, there is of course a lot of discussion about the war(s) that were going on. But one thing that's certainly good is that the western world finally takes real interest in those regions. I hope there are going to be some changes made. Education for one thing and political reforms.

It can't be that some people steer those countries into fanatism solely for their own ends. The anti-western propaganda is often only used to distract from economic catastrophes.

Yes, it's gonna take "time and resolve", but I think that in the end the middle east will be much more stable. Or it may get totally ****ed up, who knows?

bgbennyboy 07-10-2003 07:53 PM

Clinton gave American foreign policy a far more humaniatarian slant eg intervention to prevent ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. To my mind thats a whole lot better than intervention born out of paranoid security considerations.

Mort-Hog 07-11-2003 07:43 AM

Capitalism means that you care about one thing: yourself. Whether it be as a country or as a business, the aim of capitalism is to make the rich people richer, capitalising on poorer people with the aim of making money. If there were nothing to be gained, whether it be as money from oil directly, or as additional political leverage in the area, from the invasion of Iraq, the US would not spend 3.9 billion dollars a month [1] on this war.

Oystein 07-11-2003 07:57 AM

So, Mort, are you against capitalism or do you condone it? I think we all know that oil and moneymaking was the real reason Bush went to war. I was more interested in your own opinion, not some obvious fact.

Mort-Hog 07-11-2003 08:08 AM

See avatar.

STTCT 07-11-2003 01:46 PM

I do agree on that issue of oil. I think that it had a LOT to do with the war and it is stupid of him to deny that it wasn't one of the reason's we went over there. That does piss me off about him.

Oystein 07-11-2003 02:49 PM


Originally posted by Mort-Hog
See avatar.
Heh, point taken!

Btw, I own a very cool communistic souvenir. Bought in the former capitol of Lithuania, Trakai, behold: the officer's hat!

I'm the guy to the right if anyone wonders.

Mort-Hog 07-11-2003 08:25 PM

Cool! I totally want some cool souveniers like that. We only go to boring countries on holiday, like Bulgaria and Malta. We were going to go to Moscow this year, but because of the latest Chechen action we probably wont. Might be going to Cairo instead though!

Anyway, I'd best shut up and stop going off topic, else the thread-starter is going to get real angry at me!

mercatfat 07-17-2003 05:14 AM

Far be it from me to take things back on topic, but recently I started to side with the Bush team a bit.. The new intelligence failure thing is putting me back on the Bush skeptic side though.

SE_Vader_536 07-17-2003 01:18 PM

STTCT please dont get brainwashed by this politicition...

He called Iran [EVIL! Ok that isnt a very educated statement there... Iran is one of the most well off middle eastern country after kuwait and maybe Saudi Arabia. Iran gives PLENTY of rights to women. Covering your hair isnt a lack of right its actually a great idea if you think about it. If men dont judge women by there bodies what would the world be like?

Iran does need reform though. The hard-liners have way to much control for a minority. But this is just as any other country's governement (i.e. USA) where the people are beggining to see faults...

(that's just one fault he made....)

Mort-Hog 07-17-2003 02:40 PM

If the US are clever, they'll stay out of Iran. Iranian students are already rebelling against the government, and a full-scale revolt doesn't seem unlikely. This is what should have happened in Iraq. If Iraqis wanted to get rid of Saddam, the Iraqis should have started a revolution, not the Americans. Unless most Iraqis didn't want to get rid of him...

Also, don't forget that according to Bush, Cuba is also one of the most dangerous and evil countries in the world. Fear the Cubans!

SE_Vader_536 07-17-2003 03:05 PM

actually ive never hear him say that but i wouldnt believe it... cuba isnt really a threat to anyone...

Mort-Hog 07-17-2003 10:39 PM

Cuba is part of the 'Axis of Evil' declared by George Bush a few months ago, as well as Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Syria and Libya. There was an extremely good documentary regarding these countries on BBC not so long ago:

ptdc 07-18-2003 11:56 AM

I think it's a worrying state of affairs when the one remaining superpower is lead by a man who didn't come to power fairly. Oh, and he looks like a chimp too.

mercatfat 07-18-2003 06:40 PM

Unless I read the article wrong, Cuba recently jammed US-based programming to Iran. That's pretty suspicious, though I'm certainly not advocating retaliation.

Gore was way too family-values oriented. Something tells me his response to the WTC attack would have been Hands Across America: The Remix.

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