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Sallim 08-08-2003 09:26 PM

Making a Tierra de los Muertos 3d?
I post in a thread @ the Lucasforums " Making a Grim Fandango 2 "
So you all maybe know what my post is all about.

I want to create an envirement, the places all of Tierra de los Muertos =)

I would like to build all the places, and maybe the characters ;)
Whta do you think about it? Make it sense?

Just an idea, i think it would be fun. Yes it takes month to create such a big world, or so many places ;)

I need scibbles or pictures from you to make something like that to get the idea, but i would like, no love to do it.

Tierra de los Muertos is just great for me.

Any reaction ?=)


MJ 08-10-2003 11:00 PM

Yes, yes already. :D

Here's the thing. Your pictures are great, but I have no knowledge of making computer games. None at all. Heck, I've barely got any knowledge of making webpages (as Nightlight Productions can clearly show)

I'd be willing to write the game/movie, to get voices recorded, and provide concept art... but besides that without help it's kinda wishful thinking unless people want to help out.

But Tierra de los Muertos 3D would be awesome. :)

MJ 08-10-2003 11:08 PM

Incidently, are you on messenger? If you are, my address on it is

(or anyone else who wants to type, feel free) :D

Sallim 08-10-2003 11:37 PM

So ... I'd love to make a Tierra de los Muertos too. A game for me is a bit out of possibility ;) But movies should go! I more interrested to do something for Tierra =) ( because tierra and the orginal grim fandango are so fit ( is it the right word? ) ( maybe say it another way; Have the same atmosphere =)

What can I do ?=)
Things like story/voices/concept art are really helping! For me very interresit in the first monet is the concept art =) I dont know how Tomas Encion looks like so.


The easiest way to start would be a test movie with Tomas Encion in it. Or maybe completely animating the Tierra song with Number Two and Tomas Encion signing 'Just the Way you are'
You know what, the hardest thing after let characters move ( just laerning this thing, and Im not a prof so its bit hard to do ) its make the lips move ;) You have 8 mouth positions, and every frame have to be manuel insert in a movie. Then the timing, this is really hard, but I can do it, its just much time ( very much ) .
Singing will be hard, but not impossible just give me pictures, then I can create an 3d character from them.
The script from what the sing will be very helpfull too! With this I can easy set the vocals for the mouth
What I right now need, are ides for the enviroment. I dont have any. To build things after is no so hard, but to make them look extremly like the original is much more work.

So that what I want, make something fo Tierra =)

Incredible_d 08-11-2003 01:24 PM

if there's any way I could help
Okay, I'm sure 8 of 12 is sick of hearing stuff from me by now, but this is more for Sallim.

Sallim, do you have some kind of computer animating program that you intend to make the Tierra De los Muertos movie with? How does it work?

Oh, and in case you still wanted to know (or didn't know already) Tomas Encion looks like a skeleton with a red fedora, red suit coat, red slacks and a black turtleneck (from the drawing I saw.) Hopefully you know what Number Two looks like (I have a few drawings of him making different faces if you want them.)

Also, I'd love to help out on this. I got some other friends that might also like to help.

Sallim 08-11-2003 02:21 PM

Hello Incredible_d, why is 8 of 12 sick of you ?=)

Yes I have a program which can make most of stuff which have to do with 3d animation. Its called 3d Studio Max ( 4 ) and its great ( and powerfull ), but very difficult.


Thanks for the info of the character, still I dont know to much, buts enough. Lets see whta 8 of 12 says to this =) (He is the project leader, if you want , call him master :D )

Want help out? What your freinds can do? Which software they use?
I think you all see my pictures in the GF Forum, but no much poeple know, that the biggest problem is the last. To rendering all the scenes will be take much time ( or I dont use nice effects ^_^ ) Just have an 2Ghz AMD so it could be that for one scene the pc have to wrok more than 36h on the row! But we will see..

so far.. bye

MJ 08-11-2003 10:57 PM

D, go to the forum and check out the thread about making Grim Fandango 2. Sal posted his work there.

Do you happen to have any of the Tierra art, in particular the coloured wallpaper? If so, please post it here in this thread. I don't have my computer with me yet, and don't know when it will arrive. But I typed with Sal for a while last night, and the most logical thing to go for is a 3D animated movie, using the style of the wallpaper as what the skeletons are going to look like. That gives less reason for LucasArts to protest if anything actually happens with this, you see?

And if you want to help... what can you do? :)

MJ 08-11-2003 11:01 PM

Oh, I forgot... all Nightlight work is done on a Duron 900... so it'd take even longer. ;)

Sallim 08-11-2003 11:37 PM

Yeah can you help? Would be nice...
nothing to add =)


Huz 08-12-2003 03:04 PM

Wallpaper. Top update: Everything else.

Sallim, your stuff looks great so far. One random suggestion - if you're finding the lip sync stuff difficult, I think you can get programs to do most of the work for you. In fact, I seem to remember reading in an interview that the Grim Fandango team sneakily used some free Microsoft program to do theirs - of course, you might be using a completely different method that makes this impossible, but it's worth a look anyway. :)

bgbennyboy 08-12-2003 03:49 PM

It used the lip-sync stuff that comes with the microsoft agent sdk, yes the same thing thats responsible for the office assistant.

Sallim 08-12-2003 04:03 PM

Hi Huz!
Thanks for the wallpapers and other stuff =) Helps alot!
Who done this work ?=)

So the lip sync is done in another way?
How they do that. I heard it too, that they use a little Micro$oft tool.
Where I can get informations about it ?=)

Incredible_d 08-12-2003 06:04 PM

that's the problem... ha ha ha

Originally posted by 8 of 12
And if you want to help... what can you do? :)
Yeah, well, that's the problem, 8 of 12 and Sallim. I can't do any of the stuff that you can't probably do, and frankly, I doubt I could help. You see, I don't have any good programs. No photoshop, no good sound program, no animation programs, nothing. I might be able to work on wallpapers. I also have the Grim Fandango video game and I used to have Scumm Revisited, which can get sounds and other things from it, but, damn it, I can't re-download Scumm Revisited until the server is up. So right now, neither me nor my friends can be of much help. But if there MIGHT happen to be SOMETHING that you think I could do, tell me and I'll try. Thanks.

Sallim 08-12-2003 06:26 PM

Cool D!
When there is a thing we can do, I mail you ! ;)

Scumm Revisited? One of my favprite tools, just love t =)
Which version youve used? 3a oder the old 2?
I used both of them, helped me very much ;)

So its time to say..see later :rolleyes:

Incredible_d 08-12-2003 08:01 PM

my mail

Originally posted by Sallim
When there is a thing we can do, I mail you !
My e-mail is I also have my own chatroom (booya!) at
It's a poorly made page, but at least it has a chat system.

Sallim 08-12-2003 11:43 PM

yeas..sorry ;)
Sorry I ment (
If we cant do somethin, I mail u ;)
Just forgopt a t.
Nice a rpg chat... we could open an off topic and talk about Secret of Mana II! ^_^

But you will hear from me, or from the boss. ;)


MJ 08-13-2003 12:21 AM

I tell you what, I don't think I've ever found the language barrier more frustrating. :)

Sallim 08-13-2003 12:28 AM

So my english is so bad?
I knew it >_< *cryin*

Incredible_d 08-13-2003 12:22 PM

Ja ja
Ihr Englisch besser als mein Deutsch, Sallim.

Sallim 08-13-2003 12:43 PM

I dont think so, your german is ok.
I have a porblem to construct sentences with details.
Time and gramatic is a problem too!

So 8 of 12, can I say how far we are with the project ?=)

MJ 08-14-2003 10:02 PM

Sal: Don't post any pictures on the forum yet

Progress has been made. A 3D Tomas Encion has been modelled, but not yet textured. He's looking pretty cool so far though.

Sallim 08-14-2003 10:09 PM

"Just watching and being quiet "
Not doing anything without permission ;)

MJ 08-14-2003 10:11 PM

Huz: Thanks heaps for posting the art up. I'm glad to know that someone kept it. :)

MJ 08-14-2003 10:11 PM

Oh, and incidently...

If this project gets anywhere, I'll be wanting everyone with a microphone in Nightlight land to contribute with a line or two ;)

Sallim 08-14-2003 10:16 PM


If this project gets anywhere
Yeah will be for sure man =)

Will be there any line for me? A young bad look guy with 2 accents ? ;)

MJ 08-14-2003 10:44 PM

We'll see ;)

Sallim 08-14-2003 10:54 PM

[QUOTE]"be qiuet"[/QUOTE]
Im so exited to be part of the cause...
I mean project :)
oh I am already ...ahh ;)

MJ 08-15-2003 01:00 AM

Well here's hoping it isn't a Lost Cause...

Incredible_d 08-15-2003 01:13 PM

that's the ticket

Originally posted by 8 of 12
If this project gets anywhere, I'll be wanting everyone with a microphone in Nightlight land to contribute with a line or two ;)
That sounds good.

I just played Grim Fandango last night. The "Celso Flores" model from year 4 would probably work well for Number Two... if that's the system you're using (and it's probably not.) Plus, did you post a picture of that Encion model you're making anywhere?

One more thing... if you're intent upon animating Tierra, wouldn't it be easier to do a 2D shockwave animation or something?

Sallim 08-15-2003 09:40 PM

8 of 12 is so funny !^_^
HI =)

just played Grim Fandango last night. The "Celso Flores" model from year 4 would probably work well for Number Two... if that's the system you're using (and it's probably not.) Plus, did you post a picture of that Encion model you're making anywhere?
Hmm the first thing...What do you mean by that, that you canuse Selso Flores for Nr.2? What kind of system you mean? The animation system?
The second thing...ehm .. I have no permission from 8 of 12 to post models ;)


Sal: Don't post any pictures on the forum yet


One more thing... if you're intent upon animating Tierra, wouldn't it be easier to do a 2D shockwave animation or something?
Maybe its easier, iam very sure about it! It would be more easier for someone who have draw skills ( like 8 of 12 ) to animate things this way or 8 of 12?

My problem will be the animating stuff, after build the models, but i hope I can handle it.

I think i can say, that " Tomas "Red" Encion " is done allready.
I am done with the model thing, the textures maked and placed too. Next task wil be animating ( testing first alpha skellet setting and looks fine till now )

Just need green light from 8 of 12 start work again ;)
Maybe he allows me to show the model...maybe =)

So then..see yar people


MJ 08-16-2003 05:35 AM

Tomas is looking damn cool so far. But I don't want any pictures posted until I'm absolutely satisfied with it.

And he's close. Really close. A couple of clothing adjustments and we'll have the perfect Tomas.

But don't worry, Sal. Everyone will see your work soon. :)

Sallim 08-16-2003 10:13 AM

Its not only my work, and its look ok not great =)
It is fun =)

Incredible_d 08-16-2003 07:46 PM

That's the ticket, yeehh!
Excellent. I am glad to hear that, even to the smallest extent (such as a 3D Encion), Tierra de los Muertos has reincarnated. I just thought it was too good of a radio play to just go to waste. Oh and, 8 of 12, just out of curiousity, is Le Parka supposed to be a fat guy?

-Tomas Encion, Episode 7 (one of my favorite lines because of how wimpy he sounded when he said it)

Sallim 08-16-2003 08:01 PM

Hey D =)

I thought too that Tierra de los Muertos is very cool, so I decided to ask 8 of 12 t o make it 3d =)

This moment is just great =))


I hope you will like it.

MJ 08-16-2003 09:46 PM

Tomas sounded wimpy? I protest! I just couldn't yell into the microphone as loud as I wanted to at that point, because the studio next door was on the air. :)

La Parca isn't fat, no. He's a skeleton, how can he be? He's wearing billowing gowns though, as every good Grim Reaper should be.

Sallim 08-16-2003 10:24 PM

Oh I believe you boss...yeah sure door.. ;)

You say, he is no fat, but why Hector is fat? Just big bounded?
I see the pain when I have to model him :o

Na shoulda go =)


LiMP RABBiT 08-17-2003 07:07 AM

Sorry Ive bin away guys. Actually Im in Aussy land as I type. Anyhoo you guys sure seem up for this 3d malarky. Great idea. Hope it works out. I would help but I have no software or talent so im slightly stuffed. Well, good luck.

MJ 08-17-2003 11:34 AM

You're in Australia, Rabbit? That's a long way from your home! Anywhere near Sydney?

LiMP RABBiT 08-19-2003 11:38 PM

Byron Bay. I used to live here about 6 years ago. Might go to Sydney though to see the reli's (relatives).

Holdios 08-20-2003 12:18 AM

Hi everyone. I'm new to the forums but have listened to "Lost Cause" and "Tierra de las Muertos" thanks to Inredible D, whom I am good friends with in real life. Seeing Tierra animated would be fantastic, and I hope to see it someday. Too bad we don't have action figures. I could make a stop motion movie of it with my brand new program. :D

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