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Datheus 11-09-2003 04:37 AM

Music (Not a piracy discussion)
 
One thing I've seen a lack of discussion here is music. But no longer!

At school, I find a lot of kids bashing on music. Just the other day, someone named a band (I don't remember which). I couldn't hold back, I had to ask: How can you listen to that crap?

So he went on to inquire about what I listened to. He asked if I listened to Mudvayne, Slipknot, some various punk bands (Sum 41, et cetera), and so forth. I could hardly keep a straight face. Then he asked me to tell him what I did listen to. I started with something he might find at least slightly tangible. The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin... And then he interrupted me with a sizable "WTF!"...

Is it just me or is respect for music going down the drain? It seems like kids are just buying into radio dribble. I rarely mention that I also listen to jazz and classical because that just leaves people at school slack jawed. In fact, I'm listening to classical right now.

I don't find things such as rap and death metal, which hardly consist of more than a hard hitting beat to be music. A rythmn, yes, but not music...

So do you find current music to really be credible? Do you think it will get worse (if applicable)? What are the effects of the loss of music in a society?

Jed 11-09-2003 04:52 AM

Believe me, you're not the only one...

There's no respect for any music these days that isn't churned out on the radio or MTV. I cringe when people ask me what I listen to because I know saying any music that is either:
  • Made within the last year
  • Not by some "mainstream" or "cool" artist
  • Not pop/rap/"metal"

Will get the standard "OMG u r weird!".

It's depressing, really...

Datheus 11-09-2003 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jed

Will get the standard "OMG u r weird!".

I believe to correct spelling is "wierd"

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SkinWalker 11-09-2003 05:20 AM

Commercialization has killed music as an artform to solidify it as an industry.

As an industry, it makes lots of money for musicians, producers, record labels and the like. But as an artform, it's gone down the tubes.

Bands with the talent of Pink Floyd and Led Zepplin are rare. I found it interesting that in the 1970's, Led Zepplin was criticized heavily by the music community as being to "over the top," etc.... but in the 1990's, 11 years after the band broke up with the death of their drummer, they were lauded as "ahead of their time" and "geniuses of rock" by the very publication that was overly critical of them. Namely Rolling Stone.

Pink Floyd was always a rarity and Waters was always concerned with the artistic value of his work. He was filming their work before MTV and VH1 and was one of the few musicians that blended the visual art with music in ways that cannot be described unless one has seen/heard The Wall. Even the album covers created a visual connection to the music.

These days, I stick to Jazz forms like Cool, Bebob, and Hard Bob. I can listen to artists like Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Charlie Parker all day and not tire of the music. My car radio has three presets: NPR, a Classic Jazz station from a local university, and an A.M. all-news station.

I've little sympathy for the music industry's plight with the Peer-to-Peer scene... if artists want to save the industry, some serious restructuring and shifts in paradigms are needed. I want to see the return of music for the sake of art and not the $. In the 60's and 70's, you could still find radio stations devouted to genres like Delta Blues, Chicago Blues, Texas/Panhandle Blues, Country, Western, Western Swing, Bluegrass, Rock & Roll, Heavy Metal, Popular, Rythym & Blues, Soul, Motown, Swing Jazz, Dixieland Jazz, Cool/Bop Jazz, Acid Jazz, etc., etc., etc.

These days you get: Alternative, Country (without the "western"), Classic Rock, Hip-Hop/Pop, Rap, and Smooth Jazz.

Another favorite genre of mine is Blues. I like all the regional styles and the stuff from artists of the 50's & 60's like Muddy Waters, Son House, Robert Johnson, and anyone with "Blind" at the beginning of their first name (Blind Willie, Blind John, Blind Mississippi... etc.) :)

C'jais 11-11-2003 04:47 PM

Re: Music (Not a piracy discussion)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Datheus
I don't find things such as rap and death metal, which hardly consist of more than a hard hitting beat to be music. A rythmn, yes, but not music...

So do you find current music to really be credible? Do you think it will get worse (if applicable)? What are the effects of the loss of music in a society?

It's funny how the act of eating has progressed from a simple need to survive, to a celebration of self-indulgence. Food now not only has to be nutritious, it has to taste good, perhaps even look good.

One can trace an almost equal line with music. Is what some African tribals are doing to their drums music? Does it have to contain lyrics? Does it have to contain meaningful lyrics?

I don't think so. Meaning is entirely relative to the listener, not the creator. Maybe someone out there is getting more out of a Britney Spears song than you will ever get out of a Pink Floyd song.

Yup, I like classical too. I like some rap as well. I don't really give a damn about lyrics when I'm in the mood for a good beat or riff. It's all aesthetics to me anyway.

ShockV1.89 11-11-2003 05:12 PM

I don't have time for a long post, but I'll just say: Please dont judge the opinions of a large population by the actions of high school students. It doesn't matter if you're talking about music, or clothes, or anything. If you are different from them, then you are going to get the "OMG u r weird" response. Doesn't matter what it is.

that said, I like anything that I like. If I hear a song that I like and then find out that they're "mainstream" or whatever, I dont care. I like what I like. I'm not going to stop liking a song because "OMG They didn't write their own lyrics!" or "They were 'made'!!!" It doesn't matter to me, really.

Incidently, I can't stand Pink Floyd, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, etc. In fact, I dont like most "classic" rock bands. I never have. Does that mean I have no music appreciation? What, am I supposed to like certain music to be considered having "taste"?

I like what I like.

C'jais 11-12-2003 11:51 AM

Lyrics to Britney Spear's song "Touch of my Hand":

I'm not ashamed of the things that I dream
I find myself flirting with the verge of obscene
Into the unknown, I will be bold
I'm going to the places I can be out of control

And I don't want to explain tonight
All the things I've tried to hide
I shut myself out from the world so I
Can draw the blinds and I'll teach myself to fly

I love myself
It's not a sin
I can't control what's happenin'

'Cause I've just discovered
Imagination's taking over
Another day without a lover
The more I come to understand
The touch of my hand

From the small of my back and the arch of my feet
Lately I've been noticing the beautiful, oh, me
I'm all in my skin and I'm not gonna wait
Commence on myself in the most precious way

And I don't want to explain tonight
All the things I've tried to hide
I shut myself out from the world so I
Can draw the blinds and I'll teach myself to fly

'Cause I've just discovered
Imagination's taking over
Another day without a lover
The more I come to understand
The touch of my hand

There's a world undefined
In my body and mind
I won't be left behind
I'm already here

'Cause I've just discovered
Imagination's taking over
Another day without a lover
The more I come to understand
The touch of my hand

'Cause I've just discovered
Imagination's taking over
Another day without a lover
The more I come to understand
The touch of my hand

Hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh, yeah
Hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah


I do like the new message she's sending out to her pre-teen fanbase. Now we only need a decent musicvideo to go with this...

Interview
here.

SkinWalker 11-12-2003 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by C'jais
Lyrics to Britney Spear's song "Touch of my Hand":

[i][size=1]I'm all in my skin and I'm not gonna wait

Cool :cool:, she's a SkinWalker too!

Hermie 11-15-2003 02:19 PM

even though you dont like the "popular" music, you have to watch yourself so you dont become one of the people that are so devoted to a band/ a artist so you just follow them blanckly.
Metallica, for example, hvae made a lot of good songs, but st. anger did not at least follow their standards. but some fans still thinks its a great album just because its Metallica. watch out people!
p.s. I like Deep Purple, AC/DC, Nirvana, (some) Metallica, and being the only "new" band; Linkin Park

BawBag™ 11-15-2003 03:52 PM

I believe it was Bono of U2 fame that stated "Music is the universal language". And I agree.

The problem with music as an 'industry' (and I use the term loosly) is what the "artists" are doing now is simply a rip of things brilliant bands such as The Beatles.
Thats another thing - cover versions. Theres far too many ridiculous covers of classic songs out there. And it's always "pop" (i.e. - sh*t music) or "dance" :rolleyes: I cant abide those. The only decent cover I've heard in a good while is Alien Ant Farm's take on Wacko Jacko's Smooth Criminal.

Quote:

Metallica, for example, hvae made a lot of good songs, but st. anger did not at least follow their standards. but some fans still thinks its a great album just because its Metallica. watch out people!
Metallica - Remember that they lost an entire fan base after they released their first single. Many fans believed they had sold out. These are the true fans. The ones who went to gigs and didn't care about whether the band released records or won worldide acclaim.
:cool:

ShockV1.89 11-15-2003 04:30 PM

Quote:

Metallica - Remember that they lost an entire fan base after they released their first single. Many fans believed they had sold out. These are the true fans. The ones who went to gigs and didn't care about whether the band released records or won worldide acclaim.
But doesn't this restrict Metallica somewhat? They release a single and suddenly they've "sold out"? What, your band has to make under a certain amount of money to be considered "real"?

And they, in fact, did care whether the band released records or got famous. They cared that they didn't. The moment they did, these people up and ditched them because "you sold out man!"

Maybe they just expanded their fanbase?

(note: Metallica did sell out, but not as fast as their first single)

Datheus 11-15-2003 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

Incidently, I can't stand Pink Floyd, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, etc. In fact, I dont like most "classic" rock bands. I never have. Does that mean I have no music appreciation? What, am I supposed to like certain music to be considered having "taste"?

No, perhaps I worded myself wrong...

It's not so much when people dislike "classic" bands, or anything else that I would consider to have more "meat" than current day music, it's when they act like what they're hearing are nails against chalkboards...

I'm not asking everyone to worship every type of music, but maybe just to have a little more respect and appreciation for the art form. Because that's what music is. Art.

If any old piece of music can just be sold like hotcakes, where does that put music? I can write better music than what I hear on the radio... Where is the "wow" factor in that? When I listen to the art, I want to be completely blown away by the sheer power of it. I think that's where a lot of music is lacking these days... It's all very bland. That's not to suggest it doesn't have a good beat or good melody. It's to suggest that it has the same good beat and good melody as the last five songs released this month. And then on top of that, no one seems to have any respect for the "classics."

BawBag™ 11-16-2003 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShockV1.89
But doesn't this restrict Metallica somewhat? They release a single and suddenly they've "sold out"? What, your band has to make under a certain amount of money to be considered "real"?

And they, in fact, did care whether the band released records or got famous. They cared that they didn't. The moment they did, these people up and ditched them because "you sold out man!"

Maybe they just expanded their fanbase?

(note: Metallica did sell out, but not as fast as their first single)

Yeah, I should have given that post a little bit more clarity. But you get the picture. ;)

MasterSidious 12-03-2003 11:16 PM

Current music rocks. I listen to Eminem, Pac2, Snoop Dogg, Cypershill. And some hard core rock 18 visions, Darkest Hour. New Music is cool because they can say w/e they want to. It doesn't make you bad ass either, its just cool to listen to. I won't say anything about other music cause I know I would offend ;)

Elijah 12-04-2003 07:38 AM

I listen to everything from Modern punk rock to classical... Besides country... (no offense)

El Sitherino 12-07-2003 10:50 PM

I agree with a bit of what datheus has said.
Artists are now basically just dishing out songs to get the money without even seeming to focus alot on the entire album. They have 1 or 2 good songs and then they just write a bunch of crap in. Don't get me wrong I like a lot of music, but I think music needs to go back to art instead of industry.

I enjoy everything skinwalker listed as his likes, I like old school punk and some new punk (not good charlotte or sum 41!), I like classic rock such as The Doors (possibly the best band ever), I love classical music, I listen to trance, old school rap, and R&b (black eyed peas, Alicia Keys)

ShockV1.89 12-08-2003 12:28 AM

The doors. Yuck.

El Sitherino 12-08-2003 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShockV1.89
The doors. Yuck.
lol, Very insightful post. :p ;)

Brittney Spears songs somewhat remind me of a wierd porno style poem :|

manoman81 01-07-2004 02:01 AM

BawBag quoted Bono as saying that music was a universal language. Let me toss out another one: A professor I had said that music isn't so much a universal language. There are too many languages in our world to make music a universal one. It is more of a universal idea. I tend to agree with that more.

I have noticed the lack of technicallity of many musicians today. I too like classical music. I also like classic rock (Led Zep etc). Led Zep pulled off many things that could rival Bach and Beethoven. I like Slim Shady and some other hip hop stuff as well. But all in all, music in the past few years has fallen off. I'm waiting for this teenie bopper movement to drop off as the singers get older and possibly realize that that sound is getting old....quickly.

Acrylic 01-17-2004 02:39 AM

I'm open to alot of music. My current favorite bands are:
Led Zeppelin
Metallica
Pink Floyd


Their music is just so great. Those bands made me into the person I am today. Zep has inspired me to the point beyond imaginatio. I love the guys. But, I like alot of other music, like Yugoslavian music (thats where my parents are from...its wonderful music really), Country (2nd fave genre), and the only rap I like is Tupac...

thats my thoughts.

Pad 01-17-2004 11:30 AM

I think our taste in music can be linked with our awareness of everything floating around us. When you get older you progress from liking bands because they sound cool or described as THE band to liking bands because they make great lyrics,...
I think when you are in puberty you mostly follow the mainstream or the flow thats accepted by a certain group you are part of.
For example: Where I live we have one "alternative" radio station and a few commercial ones. You are either part of the commercial folk or the alternative folk. So you accept everything they feed you. In my opinion that "alternative" is getting a slightly drive towards the comercial so those commercial flows are fed to the alternative folk aswell. And as their mind is is still in progress they mostly dont question what is ahead of them or too much.
The possibility is when they are grown up they get more aware of everything around them and will question those things.
There are exceptions off course.

Another example is me liking action movies when I was young and having a more soffisticated taste now. I now like movies like The Pianist or La vitta e bella more then films like T3.

Or maybe its because we are getting old.
:p

daring dueler 01-17-2004 06:00 PM

I like a very wide variety of music-
-the doors
-ac/dc
-led zeplin
-pink floyd
-rollingn stones
-aerosmith
-disturbed
-metallica
-mudeveyene
-static-x
-older limp biuskit
-linkin park
-the who
-lenard skynard
-rob zombie
-eminem
-staind
-stone sour
-john williams classical indiana jones, star wars etc.
-even some older country
And many more have not put down

And there really isnt much music i dislike, put i must say as for good chorlete (sp?), sum 41, simple plan, i just cant stand them.
I also dont reallt like any type of "pop" music like spears, or the boy bands. but, if that is what people want to listen to, fine with me. I suppose you noticed that just about everything i put is classic rock, rock, or metal...thats simply because thats who i am ,i like the stuff.

Simply because i dont like the music i dislike, does not mean i dont respect them, they are artists and i respect that, acept good chorlete, they suck al everything :D

Homuncul 01-18-2004 08:18 PM

Quote:

Another example is me liking action movies when I was young and having a more soffisticated taste now. I now like movies like The Pianist or La vitta e bella more then films like T3.

Or maybe its because we are getting old.
Or maybe it's because we're getting smarter.

They say intelligent people listen to Jazz. I try to swing then... :)

rccar328 01-21-2004 09:32 PM

Personally, I find most rap & hip-hop to be useless - there's simply too much cussing & violence. I love music, and when it's nothing but vulgarity there's simply no real value to it. I've listened to some Eminem and a couple of other rap 'artists,' and in my opinion it's crap. I do listen to rap, though - I listen to KJ-52, John Reuben & Toby Mac, who use nonviolent means to create rap music.

I don't listen to most modern music (Britney Spears, Christina Agulara, any boy bands), mainly because I simply don't see much use in it. Most of it is about sex (see the Britney Spears lyrics above), and for the young women singers, it seems to me that it's all about marketing their sex appeal - even moreso than their music. Both of these styles promote promiscuity and violence, and I simply cannot in good conscience support that (and I know that many people disagree with me).

Anyway, that's my opinion of modern music.



I mainly listen to Christian music - The Newsboys, Switchfoot, Jars of Clay, Jennifer Knapp, Third Day, Ginny Owens, etc.

I love classic rock - Pink Floyd, Skynard, Bob Seger, Buffalo Springfield, Bruce Springstein, The Who, Joe Walsh etc. (I inherited my love for classic rock from my father).

I also love Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, Peter Paul & Mary, and those kinds of artists.


My all-time favorite artist of all time, though, is Bing Crosby (I also like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin & Glen Miller).

toms 01-26-2004 01:09 PM

Rolling stone and the comercialisation of rock... you guys should watch "Almost Famous"!!!!

I know that all people have a fondness for the music of "their era" (usually when they were about 16-21 i guess), and there is a tendancy to look back with rose tinted spectacles... (im sure there was a lot of disposable rubbish when Zep were around too...)

But it does seem that the music industry, by targeting mainly the kids market in singles, has become a lot more disposable. Bands now have an insanely short shelf life, almost none lasting more than about 2 years (as their fans grow up and their taste changes) and with bands that are huge one year being dropped after one poor selling album.

Most of the "classic" bands that are remembered for 30 years are remembered because they were around for a long time (or died, but that is different). Can anyone see the beatles or led zep being given a chance to make as many albums without being dropped under the current system, or the freedom to experiment?

In the UK the singles chart has become meaningless, almost no sales, all hype and preprogramming of kids through cross media promotion. You are sick of songs way before they are even released. There is a fair bit of good stuff around in the album charts, but it is almost impossible to hear about it.

You even hear covers of songs from a year or two before these days, and people don't rememebr the original. It does make me laugh to see all these slipknot hoody wearing kids also wearing Nirvana hoodies... i bet 90% of them wouldn't know who Nirvana or RATM even were...

I hear that legally downloaded songs have now overtaken singles sales in the US, and singles are to be phased out in a year or two. I actually think that things like itunes may turn out to be the saviour of the music industry as it will allow radically new ways of finding and trying new types of music (other peoples recomendations, playlists, software that learns your tastes) and for smaller labels to get their bands out there. Here's hoping. :D

The cd-wow debacle in the UK last week dosen't give me any faith that the record industry is learning though. :(

TheHobGoblin1 01-28-2004 11:54 PM

I believe that music with good taste behind it is the best. Like Spineshank, Ill Nino (when they don't yell too much), Fuel, Bon Jovi, ect. I always find those to be pleasent to listen to. Likin Park is a pretty good one, with the mix of rap and rock. Rap isn't sensless and the rock isn't intensive. But the punk rock, heavy rap, ect. I think is really not what music should be. It's just yelling into the microphone at the top of your lungs, or talking about how many girlfriends you have and how cool you are (not!). People who listen to that crap usually are into gothic, or their pants are like at their knees. Thus the downfall to some of human soceity. I mean, I fail to see the cool thing about misspelling everysingle word in the english vocabulary or listening to something about killing people or some sick lyrics.

ET Warrior 01-28-2004 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by TheHobGoblin1
I mean, I fail to see the cool thing about misspelling everysingle word in the english vocabulary or listening to something about killing people or some sick lyrics.
Your ignorance on what PunkRock really is leads me to believe that you actually have never really listened to it. Because Punk rock is NOT about killing people or anything like that at all. Most often punk rock is about change. People dissatisfied with the current state of our country and they're singing about change.

Note, I use sing loosely there, I will admit that most punk rock isn't really SINGING, but the music is good, and I like it.

TheHobGoblin1 01-28-2004 11:58 PM

Opps, I mean Heavy metal. Thanks for pointing that out.

taoistimmortal 01-29-2004 10:44 AM

this is an excerpt from the novel "steppenwolf" by herman hesse the main character harry haller(who is the steppenwolf) meets an acquaintance of his who is a musician. his name is pablo. "Herr Pablo," I said to him as he played with his slender ebony and silver walking stick, "you are a friend of Hermine's and that is why I take an interest in you. But I can't say you make it easy to get on with you. Several times I have attempted to talk about music with you. It would have interested me to know your thoughts and opinions, whether they contridicted mine or not, but you have disdained to make even the baresest reply."
He gave me the most amiable smile and this time a reply was accorded me.
"Well," he said with equanimity, "you see, in my opinion there is no point at all in talking about music. I never talk about music. What reply, then, was I to make to your very able and just remarks? You were perfectly right in all you said. But, you see, I am a musician, not a professor, and I dont believe that, as regards music, there is the least point in being right. Music does not depend on being right, on having good taste and all that." "Indeed. Then what does it depend on?"
"On making music, Herr Haller, on making music as well and as much as possible and with all the intensity of which one is capable. That is the point, Monsieur. Though I carried the complete works of Bach and Haydn in my head and could say the cleverest things about them, not a soul would be the better for it. But when I take hold of my mouthpiece and play a lively shimmy, whether the shimmy be good or bad, it will give people pleasure. It gets into their legs and into their blood. That's the point and that alone. Look at the faces in a dance hall at the moment when the music strikes up after a longish pause, how eyes sparkle, legs twitch and faces begin to laugh. That is why one makes music."
"Very good, Herr Pablo. But there is not only sensual music. There is spiritual also. Besides the music that is actually being played at the moment, there is the immortal music that lives on even when it is not being played. It can happen to a man to lie alone in bed and to call to mind a melody from the Magic Flute or the Matthew Passion, and then there is music without anyone blowing into a flute or passing a bow across a fiddle."
"Certainly, Herr Haller. Yearning and Valencia are recalled every night by many a lonely dreamer. Even the poorest typist in her office has the latest one step in her head and taps her keys in time to it. You are right. I don't grudge all those lonely persons their mute music, whether it's Yearning or the Magic Flute or Valencia. But where do they get their lonely and mute music from? They get it from us, the musicians. It must have first have been played and heard, it must have got into the blood, before anyone at home in his room can think of it and dream of it."
"Granted, I said coolly, "all the same it won't do to put Mozart and the latest fox trot on the same level. And it is not one and the same thing whether you play people divine and eternal music or cheap stuff of the day that is forgotten tomorrow."
When Pablo observed from my tone of voice that I was getting excited, he at once put on his most amiable expression and touching my arm caressingly he gave an unbelievable softness to his voice.
"Ah, my dear sir, you may be perfectly right with your levels. I have nothing to say to your putting Mozart and Haydn and Valencia on what levels you please. It is all one to me. It is not for me to decide about levels. I shall never be asked about them. Mozart perhaps, will still be played in a hundred years and Valencia in two will be played no more-- we can leave that, I think, in Gods hands. God is good and has the span of all our days in his hands and that of every waltz and fox trot too. He is sure to do what is right. We musicians, however, we must play our parts according to our duties and our gifts. We have to play what is actually in demand, and we have to play it as well and as beautifully and expressively as ever we can."
With a sigh I gave it up. There was no getting past the fellow.


I wrote this here because it seemed extremely relevant to the contrast that i saw forming in this discussion between those who enjoy older styles of music and the ones that are growing up today. Also, as you may have noticed, this was written in the early 30's.

Domo-Kun 01-31-2004 01:54 PM

Music is what you like, those who follow the mainstream artists such as 50cent, or Justin Timberlake for example, Have no life what-so-ever. I dare not say that the future of punk is going down, we still have some left, but they are being replaced by punk boy bands! Btw I listen to ac/dc, transplants, anything greenday b4 dookie, and linkin park.

rccar328 01-31-2004 03:17 PM

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those who follow the mainstream artists such as 50cent, or Justin Timberlake for example, Have no life what-so-ever.
I don't know that this is accurate, necessarily. However, when it comes to people who follow mainstream artists, a lot of sheep imagery comes to mind - the flock follows whatever artists the media is holding up at the time. I know quite a few people who used to listen to N*SYNC (gag me!), and at the time thought they were the greatest band in the world. Now, it's whoever else is popular - they never even put on an old album because it's simply not popular anymore.

In a way, this is why music on the internet is gaining such popularity - instead of going out and buying a cd, people can download whatever music is popular at the time. It's less of an investment than going out and buying the entire album, and it's not as permanent.

TheHobGoblin1 01-31-2004 11:02 PM

Hey what's wrong with "Opps, I did it again!?" lol :p

El Sitherino 02-01-2004 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheHobGoblin1
Hey what's wrong with "Opps, I did it again!?" lol :p
Everything.

I still prefer music with a inspiring tone to it.

toms 02-02-2004 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rccar328
I don't know that this is accurate, necessarily. However, when it comes to people who follow mainstream artists, a lot of sheep imagery comes to mind - the flock follows whatever artists the media is holding up at the time. I know quite a few people who used to listen to N*SYNC (gag me!), and at the time thought they were the greatest band in the world. Now, it's whoever else is popular - they never even put on an old album because it's simply not popular anymore.

In a way, this is why music on the internet is gaining such popularity - instead of going out and buying a cd, people can download whatever music is popular at the time. It's less of an investment than going out and buying the entire album, and it's not as permanent.

This is also tied in to both the age of the target audience and the power of marketing and exposure.

Kids around the age of ten will tend to want to like what others like (or the exact opposite) as part of fitting in. The current music indistry realises this and so they put a huge amount of hype into a select few bands (have them on kids shows, magazines, playing in schools) so the kids tend to like them as they are the only music they are exposed to. Then as the kids get older their tastes broaden and the marketing machine moves onto the next batch of kids.

My hope for online music distribution is that it will at least partly remove the harketing hype from the equation... thereby allowing users to be exposed to and try out a much wider range of music than they would normally get to hear.

If the software learns from my tastes and can suggest songs in the same genre, playlists by others who like the same sort of thing (like Amazon) and playlists by theme or mood then my music listening experience might end up a lot more like a web browsing experience, where you can sometimes go from site to site and end up somewhere you never thought you would go. And if i only have to pay a few cents to then try out these songs who knows what i might discover.

At the moment in the UK the entire UK chart is basically dictated by Radio 1, the only national "pop" radio station, and it's playlists. If it isn't mainstream and doesn't make it onto the radio 1 playlist then no one will hear it and no one will buy it. Ok, so most of them were rubbish, but at least when i was in the US or NZ they had a mass of independent radio stations and just by flicking through the stations you could hear a much wider range of stuff.

--ZeeMan-- 02-12-2004 10:16 PM

*lol i'm just gonna be ignorant and say what's on my mind cus it's funny.....IN MY MIND*

but if you really think about, pink floyd should be gods in the majority of peoples minds today cus the person who wrote most of their songs usually wrote them while on pyscedellic (sp?) drugs...and given our culture's view on drugs today, they might be considered heroes :-D

*ok ok ignorant moment is up*

anyways....what matters the most to me is if it sounds good. i can tolerate and even like music in all genres. Favorite bands: metallica, beatles, the boss (springsteen for you music illiterates out there), steve miller, rammstein, dj taucher, and plenty of others

Druid Bremen 03-03-2004 12:32 PM

I'm an adolescent, and I simply cannot understand what's so great about yelling into a microphone, like Linkin Park, etc. I prefer more inspiring music, like classicals. I don't go along with the flow of OMG THAT GUY IS SO HANDSOME LETS BUY ALL HIS ALBUMS UNTIL THEY GET SOLD OUT OMG OMG OMG OMG!!1111! Many girls in my school are like that. They see someone handsome, like that guy called Jay Zhou, and they go all crazy. What is music coming to? It used to be a collection of great works of art. Now it is simply reduced to who looks more handsome, or which band is the most "in".

taoistimmortal 03-03-2004 02:28 PM

[QUOTE]What is music coming to? It used to be a collection of great works of art. Now it is simply reduced to who looks more handsome, or which band is the most "in".

What is music coming to? Oh no I feel despair rising in my innards.

I have to say that the change in music that has occured in the last century has in it's begiinings a great deal to do with democracy and the breaking down of the prior eras social structure: in this case the european aristocracy and nobility shortly after WW1. Later on the major culprit was the encroachment of technology, and the creation of an extremely lucrative music industry.

As for what music is coming to today I think it has a lot to do with Dionysian principles of mass hysteria and communal bliss. People of a certain nature want to feel like they are part of something shared. They do not seek music out for there own reasons but seek in order to fulfill an expectation of some kind, and when it is not precisely sought for those reasons it is usaully otherwise sought out either in rebellion or in the search for a personal anarchy of spirit. Decadence is a great provider for the destroyer's of tradition.

And so I ask, what happens when decadence becomes the norm, the style, or type of art or music most commonly sought after? I give you a definition of decdence taken from a Webster's new world dictionary published in 1972 "A process, condition, or period of decline, as in morals, art, literature, ect; deterioration; decay:"

We need a revitalization in the realm of the spirit in all the arts. Man must rise again and shed the horrors of the past century. And there is wonderful music hidden amongst the shelves of independent music stores, and on many a web site waiting to be found.

A good one is http://epitonic.com/

toms 03-04-2004 01:12 PM

you have to realise that when we look back at music we only really see the stuff that was good enough to stand the test of time. This is where the "it was better in my day" theory breaks down.

Along with the beatles there were probably any number of one-hit wonders and forgettable comercialised bands that were as fake, untalented and despisable as Busted. However they have disappeared from our memories a lot like many of the rubbish bands of today will do.

I would expect that when Mozart was writing his music there was a lot of drivel being written as well.

THe problem with today's music industry is a lot like many other of today's industries. It has become soo commercial, the companies have merged to become so big that no independents can break in and the media has become so entraped in a vicious circle of hype that the record industry will no longer take risks (a lot like the software industry, the film industry, the TV industry) or give bands time to become popular. They need bands that are popular BEFORE they release a single (Pop idol, bands playing schools and having tv programmes).

As i have said, hopefully the movement of music online will break some of the barriers to entry and allow a much wider exposure to music than existing media... but not if the sites are all run by the music industry.


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