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SITH 1000 12-27-2003 10:09 PM

Why did obi-wan konobi let himself die when he was battling with Darth Vader?
 
well i don't know what to say:p but i do know the awnsers to the poll so vote before it's over. So do it quickly:sign2: :marx1: :lsduel: :duel: :slsaber:

Mini_k 12-28-2003 01:10 AM

Luke had to escape, so the jedi could carry on their legacy...

daring dueler 12-29-2003 01:17 PM

i beleive that it was his time to go.....even if he did fight vader, he would liove or die, 2 outcomes, if he were to live, he could guide luke, if he died the same, yet he wouldnt have to be there per say, since he was a spirit and a voice, he was powerful through luke. plus it made the end of ROTJ cool what with his tranparent blue figure.:D

Lynk Former 12-29-2003 07:16 PM

"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"

Jedi_Monk 12-31-2003 03:57 PM

I personally think that Obi-Wan has become so embittered by the fact that his Apprentice wiped out the Jedi Order that he's using Luke to erradicate his failure. Think about it: Obi-Wan told Luke Vader murdered his real father, then lets Luke see Vader strike the killing blow that removes Luke's second father-figure, then when Luke learns the truth, Obi-Wan tries to dehumanize Anakin by saying he's more machine than man, trying to discourage Luke from seeking his father's savation.

leXX 01-01-2004 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Lynk Former
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
I think this has a lot to do with it. Obi knows he can't win the fight so he accepts his death and uses the force to help Luke.

Jedi Luke 01-04-2004 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Lynk Former
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
Exactly. This way he could aid Luke.

Sam Fisher 01-04-2004 01:59 PM

:wstupid:

Yep, that really is all... But I really don'y know how he became more powerful, he was invisible! :p

Jedi Luke 01-13-2004 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by Sam Fisher
:wstupid:

Yep, that really is all... But I really don'y know how he became more powerful, he was invisible! :p

Only to those who do not posses the power of the force. That means only 2 people (Luke and Leia) can see obi wan. See? not completely invisible ;).

Samnmax221 01-28-2004 09:52 PM

Kindahard to figure out

LukeKatarn 03-24-2004 01:21 PM

OK the reason 1 to let luke escape 2 to guide luke in the future to show him that even if he dies he is still there to people who are strong in the force and are close to him(LOL) 3so he can become one with the force!

this is all my opinion!:D

dark jedi 8 03-24-2004 10:14 PM

this is kinda old, but oh well. Obi knew the only chance the millennium falcon had at escaping was to keep vader preocupied and take the stormies attention off the falcon and on the duel. plus what LeXX, Lynk Former, and daring dueler said sound good.:cool:

ET Warrior 03-30-2004 05:59 AM

My take on things..

Obi-Wan has had a LOT of time alone in the desert to ponder things and come to terms with understanding the prophesy. He realizes that Anakin IS in fact the chosen one who will bring balance to the force, but he has not fulfilled his destiny as of yet.

Then Obi-Wan sees (either through deduction or perhaps visions from the force, who can tell with these jedi ;)) that Luke is vital to helping Anakin fulfill his destiny. So Obi-Wan knows that he cannot kill Vader, or he cannot bring balance to the force. Furthermore, as a spirit he will be able to help Luke become a jedi and turn Vader back to the light.

Isair 04-27-2004 11:28 PM

Well if Obi-Wan didn't sacrifice himself, he wouldn't be able to aid Luke in the final moments on the attack on the death star. If he hadn't done that, Luke might have missed and Yavin four could have been totally destroyed. Maybe in a way Obi-Wan forsaw this event.

Darth Talliusc 04-29-2004 05:32 PM

for the same reason that obi wan only appeared to luke when luke NEEDED info past ep4.

his track record as a teacher or even a jedi kinda stinks. he knows that to teach luke is to put him in a similar situation that drove anakin to vader in the first place. Obi wan was protecting luke from the dark side and also polarizing luke AGAINST the dark side.

by befriending luke first, and letting vader kill him, luke was thrown into hating (or at least resolving to bring down) the empire.

Obi finally came to terms with his own limitations and accepted that luke would (to steal a phrase from yoda) Do or do not.

and as an added bonus he may have begun the rekindling process of anakin skywalker. alot of vaders hate must have left with obi-wans body and would definitely bring back memories of his past.


.... or maybe he just really REALLY wanted to talk yoda and couldnt wait to escape and fly there (after all he hates flying right?).

*disregard the last answer as the ramblings of a fool*

Johch Ai'oki 04-29-2004 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by ET Warrior
My take on things..

Obi-Wan has had a LOT of time alone in the desert to ponder things and come to terms with understanding the prophesy. He realizes that Anakin IS in fact the chosen one who will bring balance to the force, but he has not fulfilled his destiny as of yet.

Then Obi-Wan sees (either through deduction or perhaps visions from the force, who can tell with these jedi ;)) that Luke is vital to helping Anakin fulfill his destiny. So Obi-Wan knows that he cannot kill Vader, or he cannot bring balance to the force. Furthermore, as a spirit he will be able to help Luke become a jedi and turn Vader back to the light.

I agree. Also, I've pulled out some EU on Luke's profile in the SW Database:

" Accompanying Princess Leia on a diplomatic mission to the Circarpous system, Luke first came face to face with Darth Vader. The two were in pursuit of a powerful Force relic, the Kaiburr crystal, and dueled in the ancient Temple of Pomojema. Guided by the spirit of Obi-Wan, Luke held Vader off, and even managed to sever the Dark Lord's mechanical arm. Stunned, Vader tumbled down a deep pit, and their duel was interrupted."

This is a good example. It also ties with how Obi-Wan couldn't interfere with Luke dueling Vader on Bespin.

Darth-Bane 05-02-2004 10:57 PM

I find it funny
In episode 2, when they're walking into the bar, Obi-Wan says "Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?" :D

kipperthefrog 05-05-2004 10:53 PM

i looked at the poll results! it is a landslide vid\ctory if i ever saw one

Deeo 05-06-2004 12:49 AM

Well, yeah, I can't really add to this besides saying what that other guy said. If Obi-Wan did not sacrifice himself and allow Vader to kill him then Luke would have gotten involved and possibly be killed there and the Jedi forever doomed. Obi-Wan also mentioned that "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine" line I think he meant that with his death he will be freed of his material limitations and allow him to guide Luke through the Force strengthing Luke in its ways and encouraging his studies and eventually lead him down the path to begin the New Jedi Order.

kipperthefrog 05-07-2004 09:36 AM

Good point! the reason they killed obi wan in the first place was to bring him back as a blue ghost! that way they show that there is MORE than the physical! the spirits of good and evil are guiding us!

Sead the Darkes 05-14-2004 08:14 AM

I think that Obi just let Vader kill him to have a better opportunity ti guide Luke as One with the Force.

Darth-Bane 05-16-2004 05:21 PM

It was good :)

sith_master2000 05-16-2004 06:31 PM

Quote:

I think that Obi just let Vader kill him to have a better opportunity ti guide Luke as One with the Force.
No no, you got it wrong, Obi-Wan just wanted to make cry like a baby! Still he may have wanted to guide Luke. :slsaber:

joesdomain 05-23-2004 05:00 AM

Obi-wan sacrificed himself in order for Luke, Leia and R2 could get to Yavin 4. Plus, maybe to give Luke a reason not to like Vader.

jonline 08-24-2008 08:59 AM

I do not believe that Obi-wan could have wanted luke to see him die. unless he had studied the sith teaching and found some truth in them he would not have wanted Luke to hate Darth Vader.
"Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side of the Force, are they" Yoda
He may have gotten in a bad situation and had to allow Vader to kill him so that Luke could escape.

Relenzo2 08-24-2008 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ET Warrior (Post 1488814)
Then Obi-Wan sees (either through deduction or perhaps visions from the force, who can tell with these jedi ;)) that Luke is vital to helping Anakin fulfill his destiny. So Obi-Wan knows that he cannot kill Vader, or he cannot bring balance to the force. Furthermore, as a spirit he will be able to help Luke become a jedi and turn Vader back to the light.

That is... brilliant! I did not think of that!
Of course Obi-Wan had to fight Vader to get Luke out of here. After all, Episdode IV is called "A New Hope" After Luke! But who says he let Vader win? He's an old man right now, so Vader could have beat him there fair and square. But it's true he wouldn't be too worried about dying, because he could help Luke plenty. And maybe he thought/knew he couldn't kill Vader. Right before he dies, he's closing his eyes and smiling. I think it's possible he joined the Force the second before Vader would have struck the killing blowl.

DeadYorick 09-03-2008 01:09 AM

I personally believe Obi Wan knew then and there Vader would win the duel. So knowing he could benifit Luke more if he became one with the force he allowed Vader to strike him down.

Astor 09-03-2008 05:28 AM

I think Obi-Wan realised there could be no victory against Vader after their first fight. They fought almost to a stalemate at Mustafar, and if he hadn't gotten the high ground, he wouldn't have won.

And his death wasn't important by the time of his second duel, because he'd learned how to become a Force Spirit.

TriggerGod 09-03-2008 05:08 PM

If Obi-Wan hadn't died, then, there are chances Luke could've died. I don't think that Ben could speak telepathically with Luke, so, he couldn't have made the shot that destroyed the Death Star, (iirc) Luke wouldn't have used the Force to get the saber, and probably would've become a Wampa's meal.
But, that all depends on if Obi-Wan could reach out telepathically.

Agent_Katarn00 09-03-2008 05:23 PM

I think obi cared about luke so much and have his death be a distraction from vader.
Good thing that Luke escaped before Vader had his hand:lol:

LordOfTheFish 09-04-2008 03:38 PM

I think none of those reasons. like Lynk Former said, "If you strike me down I will become more powerful then you can possibly imagine."


It was his destiny man...

M@RS 09-04-2008 05:35 PM

Hmm, definitely to help Luke escape he knew he could still talk to Luke, which is why in Ep.3 Obi-Wan was taught how to talk to Qui-Gon after Qui-Gon's death ;) That way it would all make sense...

Ctrl Alt Del 09-04-2008 09:28 PM

Since people don't see to care how old this thread is... answer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ET Warrior (Post 1488814)
Then Obi-Wan sees (either through deduction or perhaps visions from the force, who can tell with these jedi ;)) that Luke is vital to helping Anakin fulfill his destiny. So Obi-Wan knows that he cannot kill Vader, or he cannot bring balance to the force. Furthermore, as a spirit he will be able to help Luke become a jedi and turn Vader back to the light.


Rev7 09-19-2008 08:38 PM

Obviously to help Luke and the crew of the Falcon to escape.

duh

K_Kinnison 09-20-2008 10:18 PM

Luke and Liea were the only hope to defeat the Emporer, since they had given up on Vader.

Luke would have never left if Obi-wan was still alive, by sacrificing himself, Luke no longer had a reason to stay (except revenge), and Kenobi was able to guide him via his spirit to leave.

It is true that Obi-wan had become more powerful, because now he could help Luke without being encumbered by his living body.

Darth krunchy 09-21-2008 08:07 PM

In literature, the "mentor figure" passing on is a common theme (It happens to Luke again with Yoda, and it happened to Obi-Wan with Qui-Gon... the fact that it doesn't happen to Anakin until he's Vader in RotJ may be why he isn't redeemed until then).


Since Lucas draws upon many old stories and themes in the Star Wars movies, I think it's fair to say that Obi-Wan just "had to go."

Nedak 10-05-2008 02:39 PM

Obi should have just killed Anakin on Mustafar.

LordOfTheFish 10-09-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by han sala (Post 2533824)
Obi should have just killed Anakin on Mustafar.

I couldn't agree more. But, it would alter SW forever.

Darth krunchy 10-09-2008 07:11 PM

I think he thought Anakin was about to die there, and in a very Hollywood kinda way, he just left.

Yar-El 10-11-2008 12:50 PM

One of the Jedi tenants is self sacrifice. Obi-Wan wanted to show Luke that the world was bigger than himself. Using and mastering the force does make you powerful, but it is meaningless without the sense of humility. Luke was only focusing on himself while on Tatooine. Obi-Wan wanted to show him a world in need, and only those who are selfless can overcome darkness and opression.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 1416457)
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"

Obi-Wan knew he would become something more, and the definition of power was not through the force. If he didn't let Vader kill him, Obi-Wan's lessons to Luke would not have made an impact. Obi-Wan embodied the essence of all the Jedi before him, and he ultimately became a symbol in the fight against darkness and evil.


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