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lukeiamyourdad 02-02-2004 07:45 PM

Animal rights
 
What do you think about the animal rights? Are they exagerated?

What do you think about the treatments they get in circuses? Is it a good thing to keep them captive to do tricks for our enjoyment?

ET Warrior 02-02-2004 09:06 PM

I personally think as long as they aren't extremely abused, meh. I like to eat them, that's for sure.

rccar328 02-02-2004 10:02 PM

ET, we actually agree on something.

ET Warrior 02-03-2004 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by rccar328
ET, we actually agree on something.
*passes out*

*regains conciousness 15 minutes later*
Wha......wha.....what just happened? :p

rccar328 02-03-2004 03:52 AM

lol:p :p :)

wassup 02-03-2004 04:38 AM

I have to admit, some of what PETA is advocating for is pushing the adsurdity level. I like their enthuasiam and what they are doing for the animals, but sometimes they just can't seem to get their heads out of the hole and realize the entire situation.

El Sitherino 02-03-2004 05:44 AM

While I respect PETA for wanting animals to have rights, I don't see the logic in a law against eating meat. While I would never kill an animal in the fashion they do to make burgers, I'm not going to stop eating the burger. I've gone deer hunting before, but unlike most poeple, I use EVERY BIT of the deer. I don't waste things, especially meat.

I am a supporter of animal rights, but I'm not a radical, and I won't spill paint on a fur coat, it just made it to where the animal died in vain.

obi 02-03-2004 02:17 PM

I'm a member of PETA.

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

Long time member, and darn proud of it, too!

PETA, you're at the top of the food chain, deal with it!

MennoniteHobbit 02-03-2004 09:48 PM

Hey, I'm a member of ur PETA, too, obi...

sometimes animal rights are exaggerated, like when PETA comes into the story...

ANIMALS ARE GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (if cooked right...)

Druid Bremen 02-24-2004 12:31 PM

Animals are living entities. We are living entities. So, if we can make burgers out of animals, then I suppose that animals can make steaks out of us too. Perhaps a pointless post, but...

Ray Jones 02-24-2004 02:39 PM

eat animals: ok
kill animals to eat them: ok
treat animals (for what reason ever): not ok. very not ok.
dogs in a city, cats in the flat, bird in a cage, fishes behind glass: not ok.
BUT: making up living room for (endangered) animals: ok.

Feanaro 02-25-2004 03:35 AM

I for one don't like animal cruelty. I think people who are cruel to animals should get kicked in the jimmy junk. unless they are female then they should just cut their face off.

ET Warrior 02-25-2004 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by RayJones

dogs in a city, cats in the flat, bird in a cage, fishes behind glass: not ok.

I dont know, I mean, typically pets live a lot longer than their free and wild counterparts, and for the most part they are better taken care of and lead a happier life.

El Sitherino 02-25-2004 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by ET Warrior
I dont know, I mean, typically pets live a lot longer than their free and wild counterparts, and for the most part they are better taken care of and lead a happier life.
when he said dogs in the city he meant apartments. That's all there is in the city, apartments. houses are in the suburbs.
Dogs should not be confined to small quarters even if they are a small dog. They need to roam around and excercize regularly, also exposing them to different enviroments is good for mental developement. Denying them such, is mental abuse. :)

Glass fish tanks louden sounds so even a whisper near the fish tank is like a yell to a fish, just barely brushing against it is like fingernails on a chalkboard to a fish. this can cause unneeded stress on the fish, which can create severe lack of immune function.
I'm not exactly sure how but It's in my fish care book :)

Always you non echoing material for a fishtank, zoo's use glass but they use specially made "quiet" glass that pretty much deadens all sound except the extremes such as hard banging, yelling, etc.

Birds need lots of space, if they don't get much time to fly, excercise they can become weak and unwilling to do much, once again this adds unneeded stress.

If you plan on getting an animal and don't live in an apartment, make sure you have time in your life to take the animal out (unless it's fish ;) ) let them explore and grow.

sad thing is animal cruelty cases are on the rise yet again, especially in the south and major cities in the north. Until we get stricter consequences on these crimes, I'm not sure it will ever slow down much less stop.

Ray Jones 02-25-2004 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ET Warrior
I dont know, I mean, typically pets live a lot longer than their free and wild counterparts, and for the most part they are better taken care of and lead a happier life.
it's not about how long they may live.
it is HOW they live.

fishes are fed wrong, birds have not enough "freedom" to fly, imagine you are a dog running around in a heatened flat the whole day and ONCE a day you get out for 15 min to do what you normally could do whenever it is necessary. and outside it's cold, lets say from 24C in the flat to 0C outside, but you wont get anything like clothes, your "master" is shouting at you just because you behave doggish like sniffing on things, but HE is freezing. to accomplish this, your nose is exactly at the height of the cars exhausts. and then your "master" goes shopping and YOU have to stay outside. he ties you to a tree or whatever and says something like "sit". then he leave for at least 30 minutes.

what a (long) life.

[edit]

boah, i write muuuuch to slooooow.. :p

taoistimmortal 02-25-2004 07:38 AM

All I've got to say is "Factory Farm!" Visit a slaughter house, or an industrial sized chicken coup. That is the reason why PETA takes itself so seriously. As for my opinion I eat meat occasionally, preferably smoked german sausage:D

Thrackan Solo 02-27-2004 12:47 AM

Quote:

it's not about how long they may live
it about HOW they live.
exacty my dog has a sweater that it wears on walks in the snow and little dog booties and its cute little ha....<_< >_>

i mean uh...my dog is well taken care of and i think she enjoys the walks i take with her, she was a stray and probably would have died if i didnt take her in

lukeiamyourdad 02-27-2004 01:36 AM

Sheesh, you should see my guinea pigs. My parents treat them better then me...

Kylilin 02-27-2004 03:30 AM

http://www.xmission.com/~hunter/images/filet.jpg

Not even a vegan could turn that down.

Tyrion 02-27-2004 04:27 AM

Actually Kryllin, that doesnt look all too apealing. I prefer thinner steaks, like Flank or T-Bone.

Anyway, we're at the top of the food pyramid. We deserve to eat whatever we kill, because if they were stronger then us they would kill us.

ET Warrior 02-27-2004 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrion
Actually Kryllin, that doesnt look all too apealing. I prefer thinner steaks, like Flank or T-Bone..
I LOVE T-Bones. Best steak ever...mmmmmmmmm

Druid Bremen 02-27-2004 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrion
Actually Kryllin, that doesnt look all too apealing. I prefer thinner steaks, like Flank or T-Bone.

Anyway, we're at the top of the food pyramid. We deserve to eat whatever we kill, because if they were stronger then us they would kill us.

We'll ruin ourselves in the end if we eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat. In the end, extinction for most species. Then we won't have chicken meat and steak to eat.

rccar328 02-27-2004 04:14 PM

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We'll ruin ourselves in the end if we eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat. In the end, extinction for most species. Then we won't have chicken meat and steak to eat.
But that's where capitalism kicks in...it's not really in McDonald's best interests to let cows & chickens to go extinct, so they're gonna keep food species populous.

Dagobahn Eagle 02-27-2004 05:26 PM

PETA is, to put it mildly, a fanatical organisation. Or what would you call an organisation that has been found guilty of fire-bombing research facilities?

Quote:

it's not about how long they may live.
it is HOW they live.
Exactly. Parts of the meat industries are litteraly torturing animals and birds.

Animals and captivity: Depends. If you want to put two tigers in a zoo, it's okay as long as they are comfortable.

Aninals and experiments: Better the rats than our children.

--Middie

Kylilin 02-27-2004 08:03 PM

On a more serious note, I have some vegan friends who are part of PETA, and although I will not let them corrupt me to the point that I won't eat meat at all, they did convince me never to eat veal again.

Tyrion 02-27-2004 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Druid Bremen
We'll ruin ourselves in the end if we eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat. In the end, extinction for most species. Then we won't have chicken meat and steak to eat.
That's where the phrase "everything in moderation" kicks in.

Thrackan Solo 02-27-2004 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Druid Bremen
We'll ruin ourselves in the end if we eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat. In the end, extinction for most species. Then we won't have chicken meat and steak to eat.
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Ever seen the movie Soilent Green? Anybody?
Its about how there is a shortage of food so they take old people and turn them into green crackers and feed it to the poor...
mmmmm:eek:

ronbrothers 05-04-2004 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Druid Bremen
Animals are living entities. We are living entities. So, if we can make burgers out of animals, then I suppose that animals can make steaks out of us too. Perhaps a pointless post, but...
That would be just fine if we were lower on the food chain. But it doesn't work out that way.

Personally, I have the utmost respect for animals, especially if they are prepared propperly. Medium rare. No steak sauce needed.

ronbrothers 05-04-2004 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kylilin
http://www.xmission.com/~hunter/images/filet.jpg

Not even a vegan could turn that down.


Now that looks mighty tastey!!!!

ShadowTemplar 05-04-2004 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rccar328
But that's where capitalism kicks in...it's not really in McDonald's best interests to let cows & chickens to go extinct, so they're gonna keep food species populous.
Except when short-sightedness kicks in first. Capitalism doesn't exactly have an excellent track record when it come to preserving endangered species.

Then again, cows are not really endangered.


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