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Windu Chi 05-24-2005 02:16 AM

Jedi powers & abilities in Battlefront II
 
The jedi addition in the new battleront game will be very welcome.
But I don't want (as any jedi fan will agree)any simple jedi powers or abilities. I want them to include ability to throw objects, debris and also throw enemies off ledges or into to pits.I want to see some lightsaber dueling ( like in Episode III the game) like I saw in the trailer,which I hope isn't a cutscene. I also want the jedi you can fight as to have special moves not one move but many, like for example runing off the wall(like in Jedi Academy) to execute a special attack. I also want use the enviroment as a avantage to dispatch my enemies quickly, like throwing with the force, explosive barrels at them. Also I want to have force speed, jedi mind trick, force heal and throw the lightsaber in cool ways among other things.



P.S. I know this is a lot to ask out of this game but if they going to include the Jedi than go all the way with it. Also with those of you who don't agree than you are'nt true jedi fans, so don't reply.


:lsduel:

Redtech 05-24-2005 06:33 PM

Sorry, but if you role play in the battlefield. Don't complain if an AT-AT converts your "l33t Jedi" into paste.

I believe that the Jedi will have unique powers based on who they are and what they used in the films. E.g. Vadar with choke.

This is Star Wars Battlefront. Not "OMFG! I HAV£ A L1TESABrE LOL!"

Heck, they'll need all the help they'll get being a melee class on a vehicle dominated map!

TK-8252 05-24-2005 06:40 PM

Re: Jedi powers & abilities in Battlefront II
 
Quote:

Originally posted by windu6
Also with those of you who don't agree than you are'nt true jedi fans, so don't reply.
You're telling me that I can't reply to this thread because I don't agree with you?

Wow. You sure stopped me.

El Sitherino 05-24-2005 06:41 PM

No. No jedi.

This is a game to get the movie experience as a regular grunt, not some badass jedi.

ParanoidAndroid 05-24-2005 10:08 PM

Unfortunetly I think jedi are going to be in the game no matter how much people oppose it. From viewing the trailers and movies it seems that jedi are a kind of speacial bonus, once you achieve a certain objective the player that achieved that objective gets to respawn as a jedi. The jedi is only alive for a limited time and once that time runs out the jedi leaves the battlefield. It seems that some maps wont have jedi and if there is then there will be only 1-2 jedi on the map at one time, and they can't be everywhere at once. Jedi will be an important addition to the game but in the end its the grunts who should win the battles.

Darth Andrew 05-25-2005 08:56 PM

As long as it takes a lot of Force energy to use force powers (so you could only use the force something like two times) then I won't mind the Jedi that much. If not, I... will... rampage... and... snipe... all... Jedi....;)

VaderR 07-28-2005 11:52 PM

Jedi with special jedi abilities...all part of the starwars experience...
 
I don't think it's unreasonable to play as a jedi at all especially with some jedi powers the developers really should capitilize on...being able to manipulate objects on the the battlefront world with your force powers would be a great addition to the game but let's face it no jedi is invincible...I know you can play Vader in Battlefront 2, but they should let you start off as a Jedi if you like and depending on how long you live or how many kills you get, you become more powerful each time you respawn or something like that...anyways may the force be with you...

VaderR

lukeiamyourdad 07-29-2005 12:17 AM

Re: Jedi with special jedi abilities...all part of the starwars experience...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by VaderR
they should let you start off as a Jedi if you like and depending on how long you live or how many kills you get, you become more powerful each time you respawn or something like that...anyways may the force be with you...

VaderR

And that incites players to play with a regular grunt because...?

BeBop 07-29-2005 12:26 AM

Because then they can get the true feel that all the Storm troopers/battle droids get when they suddenly become awful in the face of a Jedi. Imagine the catch phrases! "SWBFII, be the cannon fodder!"

/sarcasm

If there must be Jedi, then what was said in a recent interview sounds good. If you are doing well, then you are rewarded with being a Jedi. The better you do as a Jedi you will get to be one longer. Inevitably you will run out of time to be a Jedi (From the sounds of it no longer than a couple of minutes if you do great) and then that's it. You don't get to be a Jedi again. One time thing. If you blow it, you blew it.

quixter 08-01-2005 09:30 PM

If they put jedi in the game ( 99.9% sure they will) they at least should give them unique force powers.

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 11:11 AM

I don't know if anyone's considered this, but the whole jedi thing has enormous single player potential... I know the idea of the game in general is being a grunt, but imagine in say.. a mod: You play as Obi Wan or Anakin in the Battle of Coruscant... you fly through the huge chaotic battle, land on the invisible hand.. saber your way through droids, fight Count Dooku (We've seen Obi Wan fighting Grevious in a vid) etc etc... I know if may not be the original purpose of the game, and I'll probably get flamed for even making the suggestion of being a jedi.. but it'd be fun would it not? Or chuck the jedi out totally... play as Han, Luke or Chewie escaping the Death Star... enormous Single player fun..

Well it's just a thought.

quixter 08-02-2005 11:33 AM

Yeah that would be pretty fun for singleplayer. I hope they keep it for the most part the same though. :)

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 12:00 PM

Well I know they won't do it. It's not the point of the game. I was thinking more of a community mod. A few models, a few alterations to maps... could be done.

ParanoidAndroid 08-02-2005 12:07 PM

I really don't think that it would work out. I'm not saying that your idea is bad or anything but Battlefront was designed to allow you to play a part in an overall bigger battle, not follow the path of a certain character. Even though there are heroes the battle won't center around them and them alone. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done I'm just saying that there are other games out there that were designed specificly so you could play as a single character from the star wars universe, why mod Battlefront to do somthing countless other games were specificly created to do?

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 02:34 PM

How many other Star Wars FPS are there?

Jedi Knight and Republic Commando.

How many of these have vehicles

1.

Does this game have have official maps for these vehicles.

1 for the Original Trilogy.

Does it have AI for these vehicles?

No.

Are there large scale battles in it anyway?

No.

Y'see.. there isn't a single other SW game which allows you to wield a lightsaber, fire a blaster, fly a ship and take part in a large scale battle at the same time. Why wouldn't it work? Boost the main characters health a bit, alter some AI so some enemies guard specific locations. The battle goes on outside, you just have different objectives. Single player in BF at the moment focuses around a single character already. You.

Anyway tell "countless other games were specificly created to do?" to the people who were turning warcraft 3 into a FPS . Besides a CO-OP mod is incredibly popular for Battlefield, focussing on a few characters vs. the entire enemy team.

TK-8252 08-02-2005 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonepadawan
I don't know if anyone's considered this, but the whole jedi thing has enormous single player potential... I know the idea of the game in general is being a grunt, but imagine in say.. a mod: You play as Obi Wan or Anakin in the Battle of Coruscant... you fly through the huge chaotic battle, land on the invisible hand.. saber your way through droids, fight Count Dooku (We've seen Obi Wan fighting Grevious in a vid) etc etc...

Uh, that's what the RotS video game is for.

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 05:23 PM

Didn't see much flying in that. Must have missed it. Anyway who says it has to involve Clone Wars and Jedi... I was merely thinking of somthing along the same lines as the CO-OP mod for Battlefield which involves a small group of soldiers against a larger army.

TK-8252 08-02-2005 05:25 PM

Because it would be a waste of time.

So fly a bit... fight off some Buzz Droids... land. There.

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 05:29 PM

The CO-OP mod seems popular. Guess I should tell them it's a waste of time too...

TK-8252 08-02-2005 05:30 PM

What's the co-op mod?

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 05:39 PM

A mod for BF1942, several maps have been made for it.. involves a small group of players (with boosted stats rather than the normal BF classes.. essentially heroes) against a larger group of soldiers. They have to complete a series of objectives to complete. This usually involves getting somewhere and blowing things up :P

ParanoidAndroid 08-02-2005 06:35 PM

While the co-op idea is interesting, it might work for say a group of jedi fighting a clone trooper army or somthing like that, Battlefront's whole command post reinforcement point system is not designed to follow the paths of specific characters. It could be done, i'm not saying it can't I just really doubt it would be able to recreate the events that you want faithfully.

lonepadawan 08-02-2005 06:40 PM

Faithful ain't necesarily good :P

Anyway forget I said it, it has no real bearing on the game.

TK-8252 08-02-2005 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid
While the co-op idea is interesting, it might work for say a group of jedi fighting a clone trooper army or somthing like that

That's a pretty good idea. You could have the raid at the Jedi Temple set up like that. :)

Kuuki 08-02-2005 07:54 PM

has anyone even thought that maybe you'd have to start off as a grunt before you can get to becoming a jedi?

like BF2, maybe you gain experence points that eventually gets you become a jedi into the battlefield, but even then they are limited

TK-8252 08-02-2005 07:55 PM

That's how it is. You only get to be a Jedi if you complete a certain objective, get a certain amount of points, etc.

Redtech 08-03-2005 09:11 AM

On the corusant map, is there a point when most of it is in space?

Leviathan 08-03-2005 11:48 AM

Is it related to the main theme of this thread ? :confused:

Pho3nix 08-03-2005 07:40 PM

I hate the fact that there are Jedi =/
But i'm looking forward to owning them.
The negative side of Jedis' is the fact that everyone will play them, so it's 8 Jedi and 2 soldiers...which sucks.

Igor_Cavkov 08-03-2005 08:50 PM

i hope you can kill the jedi.. not like in BF when the bullets only bounce or something thats lame.. i hope they arent over powered and that they really can get killed.. just couse you are a jedi doesnt mean you are a god.. jedi can get killed "easily" to we saw that in the movie ;)

ParanoidAndroid 08-03-2005 10:45 PM

You won't have to worry about everyone being a jedi, there making it so that there can only be one, or at the most two jedi per team on each map, and you can't just spawn as them anytime you want, you have to earn the ability to play as a jedi first by completing certain objectives.

Technicly Jedi can't be killed, from what they have shown they have a sort of "time bar" that is constantly going down, killing enemies and completing objectives will add time to your bar while getting shot, and team killing will just make it fall faster. Once there time is up the jedi just leave for the rest of the fight.

Leviathan 08-04-2005 10:52 AM

It is a good process to prevent Jedi from being too "present" on a map... But I'd have thought to another manner : Once a Jedi has undergone a certain amount of damages, he should be "knocked-out" for 15 seconds, for sample...

Igor_Cavkov 08-06-2005 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid
You won't have to worry about everyone being a jedi, there making it so that there can only be one, or at the most two jedi per team on each map, and you can't just spawn as them anytime you want, you have to earn the ability to play as a jedi first by completing certain objectives.

Technicly Jedi can't be killed, from what they have shown they have a sort of "time bar" that is constantly going down, killing enemies and completing objectives will add time to your bar while getting shot, and team killing will just make it fall faster. Once there time is up the jedi just leave for the rest of the fight.

Well thats just lame that you cant kill the jedi.. :S instead of making it real they put a stupid time bar and bla bla .. omg!!!

Leviathan 08-07-2005 03:04 PM

But we must respect Star Wars' story ! For example, Obi-Wan isn't dead on an Endor or Hoth map, but aboard the first Death Star. And even if there was Kenobi in such a map, we couldn't kill him, because he could be needed on another world, after this mission...
I hope you see my point...

quixter 08-07-2005 04:46 PM

Sort of! :confused: :)

ParanoidAndroid 08-07-2005 07:25 PM

Well having them leave the field is better then having them be invincible for the entire battle, and the whole leaving the battlefield thing is basicly just another way to say that there dead. Sure they don't actually fall over and die but they do leave the field permenetly and thats what really counts. The only reason they added the whole time bar, leaving the battle thing was to respect the story, as Leviathan said.

Leviathan 08-08-2005 12:34 PM

I'd have prefer to be able to knock-out Jedi / Sith during the battle... Thus, they will be unavailable for a certain time... What do you think of this process ?

ParanoidAndroid 08-08-2005 09:37 PM

So instead of leaving the battle he would come back after a certain amount of time, perhaps in the hands of a diffrent player?

If I understand your idea it seems that jedi would become a more prominent force on the battlefront, jedi are there longer and more people would have the chance to use them which depending on who you ask could be a good or bad thing, some people would like to use jedi alot where others would rather they play a much smaller part.

Leviathan 08-09-2005 02:49 PM

It is exactly what you described ! But, as you said, this system presents disadvantages... :(

Micahc 08-11-2005 03:54 PM

I don't care how well they do the Jedi/Sith as long as you can turn them off.


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