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IndianaSolo 08-09-2005 10:14 PM

Star Wars RPG idea/question
 
With KOTOR III speculation popping up all the time, I was curious how KOTOR fans (and any RPG or SW fans for that matter) felt about a possible Star Wars RPG that didn't revolve around the Jedi or the Sith.

Basically, the protagonist would be a non Force sensitive (smuggler, soldier, gambler, bounty hunter, whatever) and would face off against enemies who also were not Force sensitive (criminal organization, or just plain military such as Storm trooper, Grand Moffs, etc.). In other words, think KOTOR series but without Force powers.

It can be set at any time, but with the popularity of Episode III, maybe sometime during this 20 year period between RotS and ANH.

The specific details are moot, but the main question I have is would you readily play a game in which there was no "magic" (ie. the Force), or is your entire enjoyment of the KOTOR series the fact you can play a powerful Jedi?

Stax 08-09-2005 11:16 PM

hey dude Oh by the way want to start a contest?

Jeff 08-10-2005 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSolo
The specific details are moot, but the main question I have is would you readily play a game in which there was no "magic" (ie. the Force), or is your entire enjoyment of the KOTOR series the fact you can play a powerful Jedi?

Personally, I would play it. I enjoyed Taris in k1 using a blaster and I think they could make a whole game without a lightsaber. But I know they won't because most people will only play games where you get to be a Jedi.

Though, I admit, I do love being a powerful force-user... ;)

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Originally Posted by Stax
hey dude Oh by the way want to start a contest?

What are you talking about? :confused:

IndianaSolo 08-10-2005 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthMoeller
Personally, I would play it. I enjoyed Taris in k1 using a blaster and I think they could make a whole game without a lightsaber. But I know they won't because most people will only play games where you get to be a Jedi.

Yeh. I know it's more of a pipe dream than anything, since I doubt Lucasarts would make a story-focussed game about Star Wars that didn't include Force powers, Jedi, lightsabers and Sith/Dark Jedi.

I, too, enjoyed the Taris level. I liked being a non-Jedi and having to play the game with just blasters and vibroblades. It's just too bad Lucasarts feels the majority of gamers who would buy a SW RPG don't agree (even though they might).

Darth Havok 08-10-2005 12:56 AM

Actually, believe it or not, I was thinking the same thing throughout playthroughs of both games. It would be neat I think, especially if it was based in the KOTOR world, because then you would have to rely on some of those weapons and powerups that I never really got into, if only because they felt kind of..obsolete. Its a good way to balance a group, I think thats a real neat idea, I would totally play that game.

Smilodon 08-10-2005 01:16 AM

Taris was one of the finest moments in KOTOR 1, I also enjoyed it very much :)
Perhaps such a game would be interesting with the use of blasters and the like, but I still like the conflict between Jedi and Sith more, don't know if a bounty hunter/smuggler scenario could beat this ^^

Darth Havok 08-10-2005 01:21 AM

True, the Jedi/Sith conflict is very interesting, but I think star wars has always done a good job of showing that, and KOTOR really builds on that, making the world seem more realistic. My only problem would be that you wouldnt be quite as much of a badass. I did always kind of wish though, that you had more choice in KOTOR about whether or not you even wanted to be a jedi in the first place. It would have been neat to me if you didnt neccesarily have to do so.

Commas 08-10-2005 01:25 AM

i dont like it when there are a bunch of jedi running around all over the place, like in K1 and the Prequel movies. i like it better when there are very few jedi left and the world doesnt really revolve around them. like in the Original Trilogy the world was based on smugglers, bounty hunters, soldiers both imperial and rebel, but there was still luke and obi wan. so while i would like a game where there are less jedi, i would still like there to be some jedi involvment, to a limited extent, especially for a kotor style rpg, because i think vibroblades look dumb, you dont ever see melee weapon in the movies except for lightsabers (and in epIII those things grevious's bodyguards use). i think the only non-jedi games i would like would be games like republic commando. but thats just me.

Darth Havok 08-11-2005 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Commas
i dont like it when there are a bunch of jedi running around all over the place, like in K1 and the Prequel movies. i like it better when there are very few jedi left and the world doesnt really revolve around them. like in the Original Trilogy the world was based on smugglers, bounty hunters, soldiers both imperial and rebel, but there was still luke and obi wan. so while i would like a game where there are less jedi, i would still like there to be some jedi involvment, to a limited extent, especially for a kotor style rpg, because i think vibroblades look dumb, you dont ever see melee weapon in the movies except for lightsabers (and in epIII those things grevious's bodyguards use). i think the only non-jedi games i would like would be games like republic commando. but thats just me.

I totally agree with you on everything but the last line. I mean, I think it is kind of neat to show a time when the Jedi order was in it's proper place, but when you play one of those star wars games that is set in a time when nearly NO jedi were left, thats neat because you think "HOT DAMN I KICK ASS" But I do really enjoy the fact that developers are kind of branching out and making Star wars games that revolve around the other things people do in the galaxy. Like, as you mentioned, Republic Commando.

IndianaSolo 08-11-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Havok
But I do really enjoy the fact that developers are kind of branching out and making Star wars games that revolve around the other things people do in the galaxy. Like, as you mentioned, Republic Commando.

Unfortunately, they haven't branched out into the cRPG genre yet.

Hallucination 08-11-2005 06:19 PM

I have to say I would love a game where there are no jedi. Just running around kidnapping and kill and mugging every one who can't run and some who can. To bad guns went out of fashion.

IndianaSolo 08-11-2005 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hallucination
I have to say I would love a game where there are no jedi. Just running around kidnapping and kill and mugging every one who can't run and some who can. To bad guns went out of fashion.

I wasn't necessarily talking about a GTA style game where you can kill anyone and everyone you want.

I was thinking in the same mold of the KOTOR series, except without Jedi/Sith/Force sensitives being the focal point.

rhinomatt 08-11-2005 08:04 PM

if i was playing carth all the way though kotor1 i wouldent mind although i prefer having the force as technicaly its not rely starwars without it!

FiEND_138 08-11-2005 08:22 PM

Wouldn't mind seeing a Star Wars non-jedi RPG.

Mira Dona 08-11-2005 09:21 PM

I don't see why that couldn't work. I heard that Star Wars Bounty Hunter was a pretty good game.

I think that in the hands of the right people and with the proper backing, that a non Jedi themed star wars game could be very good.

Hell, I STILL play star wars monopoly on my computer!

IndianaSolo 08-11-2005 09:45 PM

Hopefully Lucasarts is reading this thread then. So far everyone seems to be in favor of it. :clap2:

Mono_Giganto 08-14-2005 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Commas
you dont ever see melee weapon in the movies except for lightsabers (and in epIII those things grevious's bodyguards use).

Not true. Obi-Wan used a javelin in EP II on Geonosis. The piggies in EP VI had axes, Lando had an axe while he was posing as a guard, and Leia had a quarterstaff/blaster while she was posing as a bounty hunter. Several points in the movies, guns are even used as makeshift weapons. There's even quite a bit of unarmed combat. ;)

I too, would like a non-lightsaber-and-force type SW rpg. It'd be nice having to rely on something other than them for a change.

IndianaSolo 08-19-2005 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mono_Giganto
I too, would like a non-lightsaber-and-force type SW rpg. It'd be nice having to rely on something other than them for a change.

Then we must keep this thread alive so that Lucasarts sees it. :D

Manny C 08-23-2005 05:52 AM

As long as the story worked, I'd play it

Andrelvis 08-23-2005 09:31 AM

Well, it would only work if not set in the Old Republic Era... That era is just shock full of Force-users battling one another. The Rebellion Era is ripe for such an adventure though.

Fortnox 08-29-2005 01:24 PM

lol, they should let you CHOOSE if you want to be a jedi, in KOTOR 1 it was "do you want to be a jedi?" and you could basicly say "yes" or "[lie]yes" :S either way you were made a jedi. and it KOTOR2, you were a jedi right away with no choice at all

Prime 08-29-2005 03:02 PM

Personally I would love to play a Han Solo/Boba Fett type of character. I suspect a lot of us who grew up on the OT would like something like that. But in this day in age Jedi seem to be the fan favorites...

fresnosmokey02 08-29-2005 03:59 PM

Nobody says that you have to use your force powers in K1 and/or K2. Put on some armor, grab a blaster, and go to town. Just because you have force powers doesn't mean you have to use them.

Vladimir-Vlada 08-29-2005 04:57 PM

If you mean that we need more Republic affiliation, then I agree. I mean, it's really dumb hearing all the time:
"You are a Jedi now."
"You are a part of the Jedi Order."

I want to be a Republic soldier and a Jedi. I don't want complete Jedi! I want to wear a heavy exoskeleton suit; and shoot with a blaster and fight with a light saber while Force Waveing my enemies all at the same time.

Mono_Giganto 08-29-2005 05:10 PM

No, he means a game without the Force or Lightsabers being present, like Republic Commando with Kotor's gameplay.

nas77 08-30-2005 04:41 AM

A game totally devoid of the Force and lightsabers might not be so good because I love using them, but a game with a choice about whether or not you want to be a Jedi would be good; replayability would be awesome.

Trouble is, though, that there would have to be a reduction in Force-wielding enemies you meet and the boss couldn't really be a Dark Jedi because what chance does a bounty hunter, scout, smuggler have against that? At the same time, not having Force-wielding enemies might get boring if you do decide to be a Jedi.

IndianaSolo 09-02-2005 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fresnosmokey02
Nobody says that you have to use your force powers in K1 and/or K2. Put on some armor, grab a blaster, and go to town. Just because you have force powers doesn't mean you have to use them.

That would mean artificially handicapping yourself in order to fit within the story. I want the actual story to revolve around a non Force sensitive PC. You can't do that in K1 or K2 because even if you use the editor to change your PC to a non Force sensitive, the story and the dialogue still referred to you as a Jedi, and everything and everyone reacted to you as if you were a Jedi.

Fortnox 09-02-2005 04:56 AM

yea, you should be able to choose at the start weather to be a Jedi and go killing sith lords, or a trooper/general or something (could go up in ranks throught story?)/ scoundral, and go through with out facing any dark jedi, but occaisonly meeting jedi and having a chance to add them to your party.

fresnosmokey02 09-02-2005 09:26 AM

I was going to post and say that perhaps there should be a non force using PC option for K3, then it occured to me that it's just not going to happen. The whole KOTOR storyline revolves around the force, jedi, sith, and the true sith. It just wouldn't make any sense for K3's PC to not be a jedi or a sith. Perhaps in some other Star Wars game, but not in K3.

IndianaSolo 09-02-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fresnosmokey02
I was going to post and say that perhaps there should be a non force using PC option for K3, then it occured to me that it's just not going to happen. The whole KOTOR storyline revolves around the force, jedi, sith, and the true sith. It just wouldn't make any sense for K3's PC to not be a jedi or a sith. Perhaps in some other Star Wars game, but not in K3.

That's another good point that I'm not sure I touched upon. I think it would take a different overall story setting for my game idea to work. The KOTOR series is about Jedi vs. Sith and would not be a good time to implement what I originally proposed. Which is why I said it is crucial for the writer (or writers) to come up with a story and time period when having a non Force sensitive PC and possibly non Force sensitive antagonist makes sense.

The early days of the Empire/Rebellion would work since you could craft a story on the Outer Rim where presumably there weren't any Jedi, and since Vader and the Emperor were the only Sith, they'd be consolidating their power on Coruscant and probably weren't too bothered with the outer reaches of space (atleast at the beginning).

But regardless, my idea was for a new SW RPG. Not as part of the KOTOR series because it wouldn't fit within the story arc of KOTOR.


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