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Fortnox 09-11-2005 09:22 AM

Does the dev team even know what republic clone troopers are?
 
do they? they've had Windu alive in the temple attack, they have Jango on the battle for Kashyyk, they call the galactic marines "clone commander", and the actual commander, commander Baacara, "Heavy Trooper" >_> they gave Luke a green saber on Hoth (lazy buggers) and gave Aayla Secura two sabers (there must be a reason for this), even had 501st troopers on Utapu. and ofcorse, they gave the magna gaurds guns. and, they might even have the BOH. WHY would you want the BOH in a battle front game?! it's not designed for Jedi dueling! and apparently, Rebels that have LAAT's (Republic Gunships) in space. W. T. F. Yoda has his saber on Dagobah (altho that is cool, fighting as him in Degobah) somehow they have Palpatine on DStar2 WITH his red saber
let me re-phrase the title, have the dev team watched ANYTHING to do with Star Wars- ever?

so I ask you, dose the team just go on instinct, or guess work? did some one have to explain to them what Star Wars is when they signed up? or do they know more about Star Wars than we think, but are too lazy to skin a different trooper for each planet?

*edit* and I just heard that they have removed Rhen Var and Bespin, dammit they were some of my faverote maps, I love the bespin platforms map!

Darth Arrow 09-11-2005 09:34 AM

Well the game must be released with the Ep III DVD apparently so they have to get the game down ontime. Instead of adding all the features they can, they are perfecting what features they have now (new and old) and the new features that they miss will be added to Battlefront 3 with alot more detail and timing because it wont have to have a certain release date..

This all makes alot more sense now but hopefully it doesnt take too long to add all new features and perfect the clone trooper batallions/colours and get all the precise information down.

Fortnox 09-11-2005 12:13 PM

good point, I hope a SWBF3 is made. it would rule if you actualy had different legions, and on the galactic conquer screen you could decide where to send each legion

Leviathan 09-11-2005 01:26 PM

Wait for SWBF II, first... After, you'll see if a prequel is needed...

TK-8252 09-11-2005 02:24 PM

Totally agreed... you made the rant thread that I wanted to but I'm too afraid of upsetting the fanboys. >_>

BTW, what's BOH?

ParanoidAndroid 09-11-2005 02:35 PM

Yeah lets see how BF2 is before we start talking about a BF3.

I'm a bit dissapointed at the clone skins too, but I don't think the devs think that players will really care, they probably think that we care more about balanced classes and cool maps then if a clones armor fits the enviroment it is. Well at least they got the pilot droid right this time around, but then again now they have got the death star gunner as the imperial technician...

Sure the games not going to be exactly true to the movies, but they change stuff to make the game more playable and fun. I mean BF has always been a bit of a "what if" game anyway. What if the rebels and the empire fought on Dagobah? What if the rebels managed to win the battle of Hoth? I could understand not wanting these kind of inconsistancies in the campaign, that's supposed to reinact the movies. But in single player and multiplayer they can be a little more lenient.

and I really hope they include at least Bespin and hopefully Rhen Var in BF2

DarthMuffin 09-11-2005 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TK-8252
Totally agreed... you made the rant thread that I wanted to but I'm too afraid of upsetting the fanboys. >_>

Is that me? :D
If it is, you didn't upset me, I swear. :) We're having a real nice little debate in the other topic.

That being said, I am 150% against the 2 sabres thing. All the dual-wielding is just destroying what Jedi duels are supposed to be.

And on the galactic marines/commander thing : they didn't even get the right colors for the battle droids in BF1, so I suppose you're asking a bit too much.

Rebel_Trooper 09-11-2005 03:44 PM

This is all so right, it's painful to read. These are my EXACT feelings. Especially what they have done to the clones. I've said this before, but it needs to be said again. WHAT DRUGS ARE THE DEVS ON!? Don't worry about space and Jedi, make sure the game is correct first, then add the features. The devs have taken 2 steps forward then 10 backwards!

MachineCult 09-11-2005 04:20 PM

I haven't seen Jango on Kashyyyk, and i saw a Hoth screenshot and lukes saber was BLUE im sure of it.

TK-8252 09-11-2005 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth54
Is that me? :D
If it is, you didn't upset me, I swear. :) We're having a real nice little debate in the other topic.

Well I don't know... I just know you're not against playable Jedi, but that doesn't make you a fanboy IMO.

Fanboys are like... the ones who are just... liek ogm tis gaem wil b r0xor fi yuo dont liek it yuo sux!11

:xp:

zerted 09-11-2005 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebel_Trooper
...Don't worry about space and Jedi, make sure the game is correct first, then add the features. The devs have taken 2 steps forward then 10 backwards!

Are you sure they aren't standing backwards, thus moving 8 steps in the correct direction?

Darth Alec 09-12-2005 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by zerted
Are you sure they aren't standing backwards, thus moving 8 steps in the correct direction?

Its more like that. Looking back at previous mistakes, then mostly fiksing them. I dont really know the difference between galactic marines and commanders, but that isnt whats importent is it?
No, its the eksperience of the game, not so much looks, but eksperience.

Fortnox 09-12-2005 04:04 PM

seems I'm not alone on this, alot of pepole are annoyed at the whole universe being messed up.
and the difference between galactic marines and commanders is big, there is only 1 commander of Baacaras type, now there will be 10 or 15 in a match >_>

and what I meant by the dual sabers, is that Aayla has 1 saber, but for some reason she has 2 sabers in SWBF2

Micahc 09-12-2005 07:34 PM

:mad: Well if you can find a better Heavey trooper skin and Commander skin let us know. I don't really care what the clones look like as long as they can still fly a few hundred yards. But I HATE how the Magna guards are the CIS commander, thats just screwed in every way shape and form

TK-8252 09-12-2005 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Micahc
:mad: Well if you can find a better Heavey trooper skin and Commander skin let us know.

Uh, take a Clone Trooper, and put some spare equipment on his back. Tada, instant Heavy Trooper. And uh... Commander skin would be either Cody, Bacara, Bly, etc. depending on what map you're on.

It's not that hard to figure out, so stop being an apologist.

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Originally Posted by Micahc
But I HATE how the Magna guards are the CIS commander, thats just screwed in every way shape and form

No more screwed up than having Galactic Marines as the Clone Commander.

DarthMuffin 09-13-2005 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micahc
:mad: But I HATE how the Magna guards are the CIS commander, thats just screwed in every way shape and form

Sorry if I missed something, but where did you get this from? Does it also talk about the "classes" of the rebels and empire?

Commander Obi-Wan 09-13-2005 03:00 PM

No more screwed up than having Galactic Marines as the Clone Commander.

?????????????????????? They are not the clone commanders!

Micahc 09-13-2005 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth54
Sorry if I missed something, but where did you get this from? Does it also talk about the "classes" of the rebels and empire?

It's in screen 3 of the PSP section on the official site. It might just be a PSP exclusive tho

TK-8252 09-13-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by commanderobiwan
No more screwed up than having Galactic Marines as the Clone Commander.

?????????????????????? They are not the clone commanders!

In SWBF2, yes, they are. Of course, that is seriously screwed up.

I don't think it's actually confirmed that the MagnaGuard is the CIS Commander, because I've also seen yellow-marked Battle Droids.

Fortnox 09-13-2005 05:17 PM

I've heard that its confirmed, plus theres that picture of a Magna gaurd with a gun. THAT is really, really ****ed up. the dev team is getting everything wrong.
personaly I thik the droid commander should have been a yellow-marked clone, or perhaps different on certain planets, like a crab droid on Utapau, but then again Crab Droids are probbably vehicles on Utapau

ParanoidAndroid 09-13-2005 06:35 PM

Let's just hope they don't make the yellow marked droid the Heavy weapon class, or somthing equally inncorrect.

DarthMuffin 09-13-2005 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TK-8252
In SWBF2, yes, they are. Of course, that is seriously screwed up.

I don't think it's actually confirmed that the MagnaGuard is the CIS Commander, because I've also seen yellow-marked Battle Droids.

Pilots weren't blue in BF1. The developers obviously don't look at the movies often.

...if they ever saw them, that is...

Commander Obi-Wan 09-13-2005 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TK-8252
In SWBF2, yes, they are. Of course, that is seriously screwed up.

Actually the Clone sixth commander aren't not Clone Marines...look:http://lucasarts.com/games/swbattlef...lic.Characters

TK-8252 09-13-2005 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by commanderobiwan
Quote:

Originally Posted by TK-8252
In SWBF2, yes, they are. Of course, that is seriously screwed up.

Actually the Clone sixth commander aren't not Clone Marines...look:http://lucasarts.com/games/swbattlef...lic.Characters

Way to prove that you have no clue what you're talking about.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...g/movie_bg.jpg

See those guys with Commander Bacara there? Those are the Galactic Marines. And that is what they made the Clone Commander.

Micahc 09-14-2005 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TK-8252
In SWBF2, yes, they are. Of course, that is seriously screwed up.

I don't think it's actually confirmed that the MagnaGuard is the CIS Commander, because I've also seen yellow-marked Battle Droids.

this could be because of two things:
A: Your right and the Magna Guards are heroes.
B: They did the coloration write

MachineCult 09-14-2005 08:37 AM

The Commander classes probably change for different maps.
Magnaguards aren't heroes they are a normal unit you can see it on one of the videos posted here:
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=152199

TK-8252 09-14-2005 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MachineCult
The Commander classes probably change for different maps.

Probably not. I have seen, however, those camouflaged 41st troopers on Kashyyyk (most clones are still 501st though), and I haven't seen the Galactic Marines on Kashyyyk, so maybe at least one map has a different skin.

But it still makes NO SENSE, because the Commander should be Gree.

Redtech 09-14-2005 09:16 AM

I do believe 2 things:

1) Changing my avatar is needed
2) Most retarded thread so far. Think about this s-l-o-w-l-y and logically. Do you realise how short the time is for BF2 to be made and what the deadline is? It's still a lot of work with balancing, map design etc, etc ad-infinitum. Also, they don't have the benefit of reading the books constantly (I'm thinking technical manuals) and watching the movies non-stop going "hey, that guy has a scorch on his shoulder plate!" At the end of the day, you, THE FANS demand a game that is going to be released within deadlines that would have Hideo Kojima commiting Hari-Kari.

Anyway, you want to wait another 2 years, and make a next-gen game based on the UT2007 engine, BF2 would get "Best game ever" award or something silly like that, but if the demo is co-inciding with the release of Ep3 on DVD, things have to get dropped along the way. It's called "games development". Pandemic are pros at making games. They'll deliver if people will stop crying that SBDs don't really have rockets etc.

Fortnox 09-14-2005 03:46 PM

just like KOTOR2 then? it really wouldn't be that hard to re-skin and add accesories to the models they have already done (they already have Baacara but have him as a "heavy trooper"! they should swtich them round possibly) it'd only take about 6 months at the most for the dev team to make the new skins+model edits and add them on, I'd rather wait a lil' longer.

zerted 09-14-2005 04:21 PM

SWBF2 is SWBF1 with a few addons. The modes of play are the hardest (and take the longest) to add to the game. The developers have to make the modes, then reprogram all the AI units to work with those modes. Adding one unit to each faction is not too hard. Its just adding a skin to a template and makeing a new AI. Adding new maps is not programming, its graphic design and a different department. The AI programming and testing/debuging of the entire game is what will take the longest.

Micahc 09-14-2005 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TK-8252
Probably not. I have seen, however, those camouflaged 41st troopers on Kashyyyk (most clones are still 501st though), and I haven't seen the Galactic Marines on Kashyyyk, so maybe at least one map has a different skin.

But it still makes NO SENSE, because the Commander should be Gree.

If the commander was Gree wewould have people complaining about how Gree should be a Hero instead of a normal unit

TK-8252 09-14-2005 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Micahc
If the commander was Gree wewould have people complaining about how Gree should be a Hero instead of a normal unit

Well then there shouldn't be a "Clone Commander" class. But having Gree, Cody, etc. is the only way for it to at least be a Clone Commander, even if yeah, it does mean that there would be multiple Gree's and such running around. But actually, if you do notice, there were several other clones on Mygeeto with the Bacara design, but only one of them was the real Bacara.

Redtech 09-15-2005 08:26 AM

Remember, they are called "clones" for a reason!

HordaK 09-15-2005 10:30 AM

They are not just called Clones :-P

Commander Obi-Wan 09-15-2005 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fortnox
do they? they've had Windu alive in the temple attack, they have Jango on the battle for Kashyyk, they call the galactic marines "clone commander", and the actual commander, commander Baacara, "Heavy Trooper" >_> they gave Luke a green saber on Hoth (lazy buggers) and gave Aayla Secura two sabers (there must be a reason for this), even had 501st troopers on Utapu. and ofcorse, they gave the magna gaurds guns. and, they might even have the BOH. WHY would you want the BOH in a battle front game?! it's not designed for Jedi dueling! and apparently, Rebels that have LAAT's (Republic Gunships) in space. W. T. F. Yoda has his saber on Dagobah (altho that is cool, fighting as him in Degobah) somehow they have Palpatine on DStar2 WITH his red saber
let me re-phrase the title, have the dev team watched ANYTHING to do with Star Wars- ever?

so I ask you, dose the team just go on instinct, or guess work? did some one have to explain to them what Star Wars is when they signed up? or do they know more about Star Wars than we think, but are too lazy to skin a different trooper for each planet?

*edit* and I just heard that they have removed Rhen Var and Bespin, dammit they were some of my faverote maps, I love the bespin platforms map!

The reason why all this was done was to creates a little more excitement, more realistic, and better..there is nothing wrong with what they did!

Micahc 09-15-2005 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by commanderobiwan
The reason why all this was done was to creates a little more excitement, more realistic, and better..there is nothing wrong with what they did!

Um.. Explain how 501 troopers on Utapau, Magna guards on the front lines, Jango on Kashyyk, Boba on Yavin IV, and the Rebels having a Republic gunship make the game more realistic. There's nothing realistic about it! The 501 was never on Utapau, Magna guards are freaking body guards, Jango died on Geonosis, Boba never fought with the Empire on Yavin, And the Rebels never had gunships!

MachineCult 09-15-2005 04:56 PM

We don't know that Boba wasn't on Yavin, and the Rebels could have got gunships from the same manufacturer.
Would someone please tell me how you all seem to be sure that Jango is on Kashyyyk because i don't believe that he is.

P.S. The MagnaGuards and the 501st look great i don't care if they aren't historically accurate.

Micahc 09-15-2005 04:57 PM

There's a picture of Jango on Kashyyk on the official website. Yes the Clones look cool but it still isn't realistic

Redtech 09-15-2005 05:25 PM

Anyone care to post where all this info about "weird units" is from? Although yeah, Rebel Gunship is out of character, unless it's in camo colours!

TK-8252 09-15-2005 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MachineCult
We don't know that Boba wasn't on Yavin

Except that we do know that he wasn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MachineCult
and the Rebels could have got gunships from the same manufacturer.

Sounds like a stretch to me.

Care to show where you got your information?


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