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Darth_Death 01-07-2006 09:17 AM

how did grevious start?
 
i hav'nt read the books so can someone tell me the origin of grevious?

Darth Alec 01-07-2006 10:38 AM

He was once an alien. But was critically wounded after a battle. He was on the CIS side, and since the CIS saw his warmakeing genius, they patched him up in a robot shell. After that he pledged his loyalty to the CIS.

Darth_Death 01-07-2006 11:00 AM

thx dude

SirLancelot 01-07-2006 12:34 PM

You can read his full history here:

http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Grievous

McCusto 01-07-2006 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Alec
He was once an alien. But was critically wounded after a battle. He was on the CIS side, and since the CIS saw his warmakeing genius, they patched him up in a robot shell. After that he pledged his loyalty to the CIS.

Wounded in battle? Didn't his spaceship crash or something?

Darth_Terros 01-07-2006 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by McCusto
Wounded in battle? Didn't his spaceship crash or something?

Yeah his ship was sabotaged by dooku.

MachineCult 01-07-2006 06:38 PM

So none of the poll options are correct Darth_Death, great thread.
How could he be a droid made by the CIS when he has an organic brain, eyes, lungs and heart?

ChAiNz.2da 01-07-2006 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StarWars Databank
A twisted melding of flesh and metal, General Grievous' body is a deadly weapon forged by the cutting edge developers of the Confederacy. Grievous' living matter was encased within his precision-engineered artificial body; inside the hardened carapace beat the heart of a remorseless killer. A pressurized gut-sack held his vital organs, while his skull-like mask contained his living eyes and brain. Making the horrific amalgam more unpleasant was a persistent wet, hacking cough coming from his ravaged lungs.

From the Official® Site :)

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...ous/index.html

Be sure to read the EU section as well, it contains more on Grievous' history...

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...rievous/?id=eu

KenobiChronicle 01-07-2006 10:42 PM

Grievous is a Humanoid Droid/Robot.

Darth_Death 01-08-2006 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MachineCult
So none of the poll options are correct Darth_Death, great thread.
How could he be a droid made by the CIS when he has an organic brain, eyes, lungs and heart?

i ment like fixed up by CIS still half alien my mistake...

TK-8252 01-08-2006 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KenobiChronicle
Grievous is a Humanoid Droid/Robot.

Incorrect. That's like saying that Vader is a humanoid droid or robot.

Cyborg is the correct word.

Darth_Extas 01-09-2006 11:34 AM

Greivouse was infact a transformed Alien... And was wounded from an encounter with Obi-won. He was as well choaked while in that battle and that is why he has his coffing during the movie.

Darth_Terros 01-09-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Extas
And was wounded from an encounter with Obi-won. He was as well choaked while in that battle

Actually its mace windu and he wasnt choked he was force crushed by him.

Darth_Death 01-09-2006 04:20 PM

i sa the cartoon series (clone wars) and mace windu crushes grevious's gut

MachineCult 01-09-2006 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Death
i sa the cartoon series (clone wars) and mace windu crushes grevious's gut

I know it happened but I recently watched Clone Wars and I don't remember it when did it happen?

Darth_Terros 01-09-2006 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MachineCult
I know it happened but I recently watched Clone Wars and I don't remember it when did it happen?

Just when Greivous escapes on to his ship with Palpatine.

PoiuyWired 01-11-2006 05:49 PM

Well, I think Cyborg may not be the right word for the G-Man...

Cyborg seems to have quite a different meaning... like Lobo and such.

I would say He is a Sentient fixed up in a mostly machanical/artificial body.

He is waaaay more mechanical than Vader though.

Redtech 01-20-2006 07:17 AM

Hmm, your definition says "CYBORG" all over it. I think most sci-fiers would say that a robot is a machine, an android is a sentinent robot that looks mainly human, and an cyborg is a human that can be mainly machine.

Ghost in the shell has real fun with this, but don't take my word for it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cyborg
cy·borg Audio pronunciation of "cyborg" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sbôrg)
n.

A human who has certain physiological processes aided or controlled by mechanical or electronic devices.

MachineCult 01-20-2006 08:39 AM

Vader just had mechanical limbs, and the breathing thing, his torso, head and pelvic area were all still intact, unlike Grievous.
But according to the definition that Redtech gave they are both cyborgs. But I'd say that Grievous is a droid who is aided or controlled by organic devices.

General Solo 01-20-2006 10:53 AM

I found some of this on a site:

Grievous was originally an organic Kaleesh, a warlord of considerable standing with many wives and children. When his species became locked in an interplanetary war with the Huk, the Huk initially were victorious; however, when Grievous took control of the Kaleesh's forces, he turned the tide of the war. His vicious counterattacks and mass destruction of entire Huk planets ensured Kaleesh victory—until the Huks unexpectedly turned to the Republic for help.

Transformation to Cyborg
Jedi Knights were sent to resolve the conflict sided with the Huks, and hefty fines and embargoes came down upon the Kaleesh. Kalee ended up in poverty, and hundreds of thousands of Kaleesh starved and died.
The arrival of San Hill and the InterGalactic Banking Clan brought an opportunity to Grievous. In exchange for leading the Clan's droid enforcer armies, the Banking Clan offered to help the Kaleesh overcome the effects of the embargo.

At first, Grievous refused, wishing to stay and lead his people through their trying times. Eventually he agreed and for a short time became an extremely effective enforcer. Soon however his desire to aid his people resurfaced. It was then that a Separatist bomb crashed a shuttle Grievous was on, causing near fatal injuries and rendering a body that had survived many battles useless, or so he was told. Planted evidence pointed to a Republic plot. In truth Grievous once again proved his resilience and additional injuries had to be added after the crash to make his body as broken as was claimed. San Hill repeated his proposal, including a promise to replace Grievous' broken body. Desiring vengeance against the Galactic Republic and the Huk, Grievous agreed on the condition that his mind would not be tampered with.

The Kaleesh commander was taken to the planet Geonosis, where Poggle the Lesser and his Geonosian scientists implanted Grievous' brain, eyes, and vital organs into a duranium alloy body reminiscent of a Krath war droid. In addition, the Geonosians also altered his mentality and memories to make him more violent and vengeful. His blood was completely replaced by Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas' on order of Count Dooku. The cyborg project was funded by San Hill to create a military leader that could counter Count Dooku's growing political influence, although he presented the finished General Grievous as a twisted gift to Dooku. Though taken aback by his appearance, Dooku was pleased and bestowed upon Grievous the title Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies, and planned to use him in his efforts to conquer the Republic. Grievous still displayed some of his Kaleesh heritage by adorning himself and his MagnaGuards with the styles of masks and cloaks closely resembling those found amongst his people.
Dooku trained Grievous in the art of lightsaber combat, which Grievous took to at a rapid pace. His new skills were tested at the Battle of Geonosis, but none of his Jedi or clone opponents lived to tell of his existence. Despite his obvious prowess, and the time and resources expended to creating him, Dooku still viewed him as second to the Chiss general Sev'rance Tann, and it was only after Tann's death one month after Geonosis that Grievous truly began to come into his own.

Here is the site where I found it from:
Code:

http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/General_Grievous

Redtech 01-20-2006 02:21 PM

General Solo, almost as witty as your avatar-sake hmm?
Yeah, read that before, I just wish Grievous was in EpII, at least he could have been badass in ONE film at least...I have the feeling I'll be waiting 20 years for Lucas to "enhance" that film though.

Oh yeah, MachineCult, don't get too iffed on how "artificial" Vadar and Grievous are, I like to mention Ghost In The Shell, if you're not into Anime or Manga, it's a good place to start and more importantly, it does muck around with ideas such as "How much machine would you have to be, to still be human?"

I mean, grievous doesn't have that much less tissue than Vadar, all he lost more was his neck and shoulders. Conceivably, you could muck around with the idea of droids that have organic tissues that they depend on. There was some scientific fluffing over artificial tissues a decade back, which then gets one thinking on if being made of 'natural' flesh is what defines someone as being 'more man then machine'?

MachineCult 01-20-2006 04:30 PM

I was really just going by the organ ratio between the two. lol we saw all the organs grievous had, Lungs, Heart and Brain. Whereas Vader has all of them. I see Grievous as simply a droid with an organic Brain, like the spider droid in Jabbas Palace, with the nessesary organs needed to support the Brain.
Someone should make a thread on this...

TK-8252 01-20-2006 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MachineCult
I see Grievous as simply a droid with an organic Brain, like the spider droid in Jabbas Palace, with the nessesary organs needed to support the Brain.

That, by definition, is a cyborg.

Redtech 01-21-2006 06:53 AM

Unless the brain is artificial, then it's an "Android!"

General Solo 01-21-2006 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Redtech
General Solo, almost as witty as your avatar-sake hmm?

witty??? what do you mean by that

Nedak 01-21-2006 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Death
or the ever popular question darth mauls body with droids parts

WTH Where did you get that from!??! First of all Grevious could not use the force which is why it would be impossible for Darth Maul to be somewhere in that cyborg. (hope that makes sence lol)

TK-8252 01-21-2006 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by han sala
WTH Where did you get that from!??! First of all Grevious could not use the force which is why it would be impossible for Darth Maul to be somewhere in that cyborg. (hope that makes sence lol)

Grevious could not use the Force because he was never Force-sensitive. He was never a Force-user.

Darth_Death 01-21-2006 08:04 PM

i just made it up i did not think ppl would actually vote for it

Nedak 01-21-2006 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TK-8252
Grevious could not use the Force because he was never Force-sensitive. He was never a Force-user.

Which re-states my theory of what the heck. It would be impossible for Darth Maul to be him when Darth Maul could use the force. Either the people who voted where just kidding or they just did not think. (sorry if it seems like I am flaming lol.)

Redtech 01-22-2006 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by General Solo
witty??? what do you mean by that

Han Solo is witty, yes? So are you? So you are as witty as your Avatar. :)

It's a compliment. Saying I'm as smart as an interrogation droid is not though.

arkodeon 01-28-2006 11:40 AM

Wasn't Sifo-Dyas' blood extracted from a cryo-ed Sifo implanted into Grevious as well, by Count Dooku? I read this on the StarWarsWiki entry for Sifo-Dyas.

Could be a mistake, though.

MachineCult 01-28-2006 02:06 PM

If it's wiki then it's a mistake. That is NOT how grievous started, it is already known how he became and that is no where near the truth.

arkodeon 01-28-2006 06:59 PM

I'm not saying that's how he BECAME.

That's how they kept him alive, as in, when he was all messed up non-cyborg dude, through blood transfusions.

Granted, this was from Star Wars: Visionaries, not quite the most canon work on the planet, but I see no reason why Dooku wouldn't use blood from a Jedi Master to give him that, you know, extra pow.

In any case, he DID give Grievous Sifo-Dyas' lightsabre.

MachineCult 01-28-2006 07:17 PM

Star Wars: Visionaries? Disregard everything you have read.

arkodeon 01-28-2006 08:30 PM

I haven't actually read them, it was in the Wiki entry.

XDD I understand they aren't canon, a la... Darth Maul being ressurected and all.


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