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DarkLord152 03-15-2006 07:54 PM

Online Worlds
 
I think it would be cool to have online place that you can go to diffrent planets or live on a seperate planet.You could be good or go out being dark side and killing people.Any more ideas please feel free to tell me.

Alkonium 03-15-2006 09:46 PM

Do mean like having Kotor III as a Guild Wars clone or something? Because I have no idea what you mean.

Kitty Kitty 03-15-2006 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alkonium
Do mean like having Kotor III as a Guild Wars clone or something? Because I have no idea what you mean.

Guild Wars is far from the first MMORPG, hence it's not terribly accurate to call something a 'Guild Wars clone' simply because it has online multiplayer content.

Now back to the original question, frankly I don't want to see anything of the sort in any KotOR title. It's been proven time and time again that when you take a game with a single player focus and try to add in a multiplayer aspect it only lessens and cheapens the overall game. Same is true of a game that's born essentially to be multiplayer with an 'add-on' single player story.

I'm not saying no game can merge both single and multi elements, but to do so properly you have to work from day one to design both aspects almost as seperate, but well merged entities else the end result will always wind up lacking and flat.

Not to mention, if they did any sort of live online content (not to be confused with downloadable extras for the Xbox), they'd either have to charge us a monthly fee, or they'd be dragging business away from the already existing MMORPG Star Wars game which they do make a monthly subscription on.

If traveling around the galaxy and interacting with other players from all around the world in real time (ala: Guild Wars, WoW, Everquest, etc), then you'd be better advised to check out Star Wars Galaxies, rather than wish for such an incorporation in future KotOR titles -as that is exactly what it was designed to be. ;)

My two bits anyways...

Cheers,
-Kitty

Renegade Puma 03-16-2006 02:47 AM

I think that it would be cool if after you completed the game, and only after. That you could take your character online, travel some more extended planets, complete online quest for Xbox 360 ahievement points. Perhaps even show up on a rebuilt Taris, and duel with other players characters in the arena. I don't know, something like that would be pretty cool.

Or

On another note. It would be cool to keep it the way it is, but say the developer makes new downloadable missions, planets, quest, and what not. Some for a LS ending, and others for a DS ending. Example...... You finished DS, and now you can download a new planet or two in which the people are rebelling against your rule as Lord of the Sith. Looks like it's time to go down there and slice a few heads off. Personally I think this would be really, really fun. And it would also add a lot of replay ability.

TiGroundcrawler 03-16-2006 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RenegadeBore
It would be cool to keep it the way it is, but say the developer makes new downloadable missions, planets, quest, and what not. Some for a LS ending, and others for a DS ending. Example...... You finished DS, and now you can download a new planet or two in which the people are rebelling against your rule as Lord of the Sith. Looks like it's time to go down there and slice a few heads off. Personally I think this would be really, really fun. And it would also add a lot of replay ability.

That sounds like fun.

Aurora Merlow 03-16-2006 07:18 AM

I'm not real keen on the idea, i don't see the need to fiddle with the logistics or style of the game as the original format has attracted so many fans

†Saint_Killa† 03-16-2006 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RenegadeBore
It would be cool to keep it the way it is, but say the developer makes new downloadable missions, planets, quest, and what not. Some for a LS ending, and others for a DS ending. Example...... You finished DS, and now you can download a new planet or two in which the people are rebelling against your rule as Lord of the Sith. Looks like it's time to go down there and slice a few heads off. Personally I think this would be really, really fun. And it would also add a lot of replay ability.
Cool idea!!!! :D
But KotOR has always been single player, one storyline, go through the storyline and you're done. As all RPG's are.

Darth333 03-16-2006 11:12 AM

No. I'm with Kitty Kitty on this one. For once we have a good single player game, let's not ruin it. I'd rather have more single player content if it's possible.

I prefer a good single player game than two "half games". If they add such online content to KotOR, they would have to cut somewhere else. Ressources ($$$) are never unlimited.

Busby06 03-16-2006 12:15 PM

He may mean what they did with Baldars gate. Go through single player online. I don't know how they could do it, but that might be kinda cool.

KyleOfHarpenden 03-16-2006 12:26 PM

Ye on pc or xbox 360 take them online and fight eachother and still get lvl ups OR like diablo u can play the game online with other players and get stronger and stuff(diablo 2 was fun)

Clone L68362 03-16-2006 12:41 PM

Besides, online/mutliplayer wouldn't work well in KOTOR. Obviously you would play as your PC, but then you'd run into clones of yourself. And running around killing/helping people would get old fast, at least to me.

DarkLord152 03-16-2006 07:44 PM

yes u r right i play diablo its fun

Ok now the part about having to beat the game has to go you have to be at the place where you beat the game.Cause I cant beat KOTOR 2 some how some way Traya beats me as soon as i get to her light sabers.So yes you would have to get to the part where you fight and beat the game then you can have online feature where you can buy a ship like the Ebon Hawk or just start to be a Sith Lord and buy War Ships.But its not gonna be like Star wars galaxies at all cause i rather just be a jedi and do a bunch of quests online to earn money.You also can go and try to find the Star Forge to make an Army for the Sith but it will cost alot to go exploring out there.There will be strong predotors on planets so you would have to be strong guy.Thats about it for my ideas they might come to me later.

†Saint_Killa† 03-17-2006 12:51 AM

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Kinda like NWN where u can import ur single player PC and play it online.
Except for the "buy the ship and make an army part". :p

Hallucination 03-17-2006 12:37 PM

No. KOTOR is SP and should remain SP forever.

DarkLord152 03-17-2006 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hallucination
No. KOTOR is SP and should remain SP forever.

It still will be SP only after you get to the part where you defeat the boss you get online.

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Originally Posted by †Saint_Killa†
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Kinda like NWN where u can import ur single player PC and play it online.
Except for the "buy the ship and make an army part". :p

Yah i guess your right got a little overboard i guess lol.

†Saint_Killa† 03-17-2006 07:08 PM

@DL152 - If you're a sith lord you can continue the game and rule more planets. Hahaha talk about EAW. :p But it's a bonus so you got something to do before the main story.

On the other hand.

Well don't want KotOR to go online. It's an RPG ther is no MMO in there.

DarkLord152 03-18-2006 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by †Saint_Killa†
@DL152 - If you're a sith lord you can continue the game and rule more planets. Hahaha talk about EAW. :p But it's a bonus so you got something to do before the main story.

On the other hand.

Well don't want KotOR to go online. It's an RPG ther is no MMO in there.

That would be fun.

Darth InSidious 03-18-2006 02:23 PM

I'd rather like a LAN co-op version of the game...But only if both halves were complete and well-done entities.

DarkLord152 03-18-2006 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth InSidious
I'd rather like a LAN co-op version of the game...But only if both halves were complete and well-done entities.

Yah thats what i mean when i say have an online feature.

KyleOfHarpenden 03-19-2006 05:01 PM

well maybe like jedi academy there sp witch is rp then like mp witch is like maps n stuff or maybe like diablo(ye i like diablo) you should be able 2 play online story as well and get like a clan 2 all go on rides in the ebon hawk, or somin like that

Mossa 03-19-2006 05:36 PM

Hmm, now you guys got me to think of this... They could make it soo that you can be "in the multiplayer side" one of the hero's that you have in the SP with the same skills and outfit, and then they could have a... Let real people be the Party members? Doing some fancy stuff in the galaxy? Huh doesnt that sounds genius?

But then they need to make it soo that every party members can speak diffrent lines in diffrent times soo when you go travel you can have the players to press on lines that leads to progressing in this character...

Mossa 03-19-2006 05:44 PM

A continue to my post... Heh sorry...

Because then you would have like... People would choose characters they like in the game, as in personality. That only means more stuff to code and more content to include, but just think what experience it would be for the player?

WHAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO!
- Type with friends.
- Be the Character from KOTOR 3 that you like mostly.
- Be apart of the team that do quests against, perhaps other teams that take the role as oposisnent enemies. Is possible need lots of programming, but would be like intences and you would have to check if there is people inside of it that is ready to start an operation... Like killing or reaching somewhere to go, or a specific record in Pazaak play, or swoop racing...
- Combat challenges with friends the KOTOR like style. An Areana! A Tournament...
- Lots and lots of more just dont want to type all because I want to alocate all this and set a plan for a good ole day Engine for a good ole day Game!

foolproof 03-19-2006 05:46 PM

There aren't many games as good and long as the diablo ones, let alone Lucasarts games. Most Lucasarts games are actually pretty bad and cheaply done. They don't really care about starwars fans all that much at all in my opinion. I'm not saying that I hate the Kotor games, I wouldn't be here if I did but it just pains me (as it does most of you) to think that most starwars games could've been sooo much more than they are. I mean just look at starwars galaxies, while I'd love to play it I just can't ignore the tons of bad reviews and the many players that have left with frustration over the combat system and whatnot. Its the same with most other starwars games, with the exception of Jedi Academy (which I though was pretty good) and maybe Battlefront II (which could've used a lot more content and maps - the same content that you can BUY on xbox live, when it should've been free). Think of it this way : How many people would actually enjoy and play Lucasarts games if they were not about starwars? Not that many (i think so at least). But this is just the way the game industry is - based on profits and not customer satisfaction. You'd think they would at least offer some kind of support for modder to try and fix their games.
Anyway thats my opinion... and just to have something on topic:
they should've at least kept the kotor downloadable content coming and made downloadable content for TSL too!! But of course this is Lucasarts... profits first, customer satisfaction never.
Thats my 2 cent. Later.

Alkonium 03-19-2006 05:51 PM

I for one don't like this idea, because if it were to come about, Kotor III would simply be a Kotor-era Star Wars Galaxies, which would sort of be like Final Fantasy XI, which was a bad idea, although I don't really care about Final Fantasy, because it's not a real RPG, but I'm just going to get back on topic now.

DarkLord152 03-20-2006 06:15 PM

All im saying is that it should be like Diablo and have a single player along with a multiplayer.Diablo games sold alot of they're games because it was awesome thats how KOTOR3 should be if they want alot of people buying there games.

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Originally Posted by Alkonium
I for one don't like this idea, because if it were to come about, Kotor III would simply be a Kotor-era Star Wars Galaxies, which would sort of be like Final Fantasy XI, which was a bad idea, although I don't really care about Final Fantasy, because it's not a real RPG, but I'm just going to get back on topic now.

It aint gonna be like Star Wars Galaxies cause i saw bad replys about that game and if KOTOR3 came out and made it like i said and took time to make it good they're would be good replys about it.

Mister Chief 03-20-2006 11:31 PM

I think possibly have the ability to go only to trade, and have single duels, but no "online world".

Hallucination 03-20-2006 11:36 PM

^Maybe a pazaak game, or a highscore for swoop racing. But, as you said, no online world.

Jae Onasi 03-20-2006 11:38 PM

I'd like it to stay SP. If they want to do some kind of expansion thing later on, fine, but I want a complete game out of the box. I'm a mom who also works in a professional field--I don't have enough time in my day to add in online-play on top of everything else, and no offense to anyone who likes online play, but if I wanted that, I'd go buy an online game. I don't want to spend the monthly fees for something to which I can only devote a little time--it's just not worth it for my situation. I sure don't want to see Kotor go that route.

Mister Chief 03-20-2006 11:53 PM

^^^ Yeah, any online play should just supplement the game, not take control. I say Have The Ability to sell items, post high scores, play pazaak, and maybe have duels between two characters. No Required online play, just to help the charactor become more powerful.

†Saint_Killa† 03-21-2006 12:16 AM

After a darkside ending you could actually visit planets that aren't available on the galaxy map and actually conquer each one just for fun. But still not online.

DarkLord152 03-21-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jae Onasi
I'd like it to stay SP. If they want to do some kind of expansion thing later on, fine, but I want a complete game out of the box. I'm a mom who also works in a professional field--I don't have enough time in my day to add in online-play on top of everything else, and no offense to anyone who likes online play, but if I wanted that, I'd go buy an online game. I don't want to spend the monthly fees for something to which I can only devote a little time--it's just not worth it for my situation. I sure don't want to see Kotor go that route.

Excuse me but for Diablo you dont pay monthly fees and of course no one wants to pay that I dont even have a online game that i pay monthly fees.

PazaakPrincess 03-22-2006 09:25 AM

How about a Cantina like environment where you can chat to other players, play pazaak or swoop race or even do a dueling ring challenge but it doesn't effect the game at all it's just a community environment. Something totally seperate from the game, just have all the places you can go in the games to meet and greet other players. Almost like these forums but in real time with controlable avatars sort of like Sims Online but without the agro :) Then have a much wider range of selectable heads and "personality" statistics to really customise your online presence.

†Saint_Killa† 03-22-2006 09:40 AM

^^^^^
cool idea

also make your own house in coruscant where you can have parties!!!!! :p :p :p

PazaakPrincess 03-22-2006 10:27 AM

lol yes that would be cool :)

Angelos Kumani 03-22-2006 12:45 PM

I fall into the category of people that want KOTOR to remain a classic RPG - SP, no online content (unless that is downloadable quests, items. etc. :)). I think that if you are looking for an online expierence, and are unsatisfied with Galaxies, that you need to suggest that they improve the that game before trying to take on another...

Darth InSidious 03-22-2006 01:26 PM

I still don't see what'd be bad about playing through the game again over LAN...

Although I *do* like the Cantina idea...If only it could be done with TSL :(

Jae Onasi 03-22-2006 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkLord152
Excuse me but for Diablo you dont pay monthly fees and of course no one wants to pay that I dont even have a online game that i pay monthly fees.

The online SW stuff is pay-to-play, so based on that history, I'm assuming any online Kotor 3 would also be pay-to-play. Plus, I want to have the opportunity to play my character the way I want without any more variables (i.e., other online players) than the game already throws at me. :D I'd hate to have my character zapped just because someone online decides they don't like any LSF Jedi or whatever.

I could go for the cantina thing, too, though.

RobQel-Droma 03-23-2006 11:11 AM

No, no MP option for KOTOR III. As someone said, it's been SP, and it should remain SP. They shouldn't ruin a good game by not focusing on the SP and making some MP thing for it. I don't play KOTOR because of online play.

Now if you were talking about a seperate game, almost a KOTOR-ish MMORPG with the same kind of combat, quests, worlds, etc., I see no problem with that. Personally, I think it might be very unlikely, but it wouldn't be bad. Still, don't add it with K3, keep it it's own game.

Angelos Kumani 03-23-2006 11:22 AM

Heck...if the online MMORPG is what you want in a KOTOR-ish theme (as RobQel-Droma suggests), then flood Lucas Arts with ideas to add an expansion pack to galaxies that would try include some of the features, etc that you would want to see...but I agree leave KOTOR SP - as it should be!

KyleOfHarpenden 03-23-2006 01:14 PM

well not all lucas arts games r pay ans play (jk series) the cantina ideas good but there should still be like a jka fighting bit where u can just get better and stuff but a sp game as well so that would keep every1 happy :) but i think if there will be an online bit it usually makes the sp game shorter but what u guys are forgeting is that not all games are like galaxies online world games rule and if you dont want to play online then dont its a simple as that really


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