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Tysyacha 03-29-2006 02:51 PM

The Baddest Baddie!!! (spoilers)
 
All bad grammar aside, what type of SW villain out of these three do
you think is the most evil, the most corrupt, the greatest danger?
What type of villain would you like to lead the True Sith, e.g.?

The Warlord--Like Darth Malak and Darth Maul, this malevolent
marauder prefers fighting to deceit and subtle persuasion. Assaulting
the galaxy with almost unstoppable military might, the Warlord seeks
to conquer it through overwhelming force. That, after all, is power.

The Subtle Betrayer--Like Darth Sidious/Senator Palpatine
and Darth Traya, the Subtle Betrayer realizes that much more
can be gained through almost-unnoticed manipulation. Anakin
Skywalker never saw the Dark Side creeping in when he killed
Count Dooku at Palpatine's command. Neither did the Exile
realize Traya sought to destroy the Force until the very end.

The False Jedi--Rarely seen, but embodied in Master Atris.
Refusing to believe that s/he has actually turned to the Dark Side,
the False Jedi uses self-righteous judgments and punishments to
enforce his or her will. Might even go to the extreme of creating
a process to destroy the impure galaxy, thus to re-create it again
along more "goodly" lines. All is black and white to the False Jedi,
even though it is said that "only the Sith think in absolutes."

So, who do you think is the "baddest baddie" of them all?

Diego Varen 03-29-2006 03:31 PM

Either the Warlord or the Subtle Betrayer. Having a Subtle Betrayer in your Party would add a bit of spark to the game, while Warlord is just the normal Sith Lord.

The Source 03-29-2006 03:55 PM

The most dangerous Sith is one that is not out for power, but out for a goal that they believe is worth dying for. Your list is pretty cool, but none of them will die for their own cause. When a person is willing to die for what they believe in, that means they will do everything in their abilities to carry out their agenda.

Revenge is a powerful modivator.

JediMaster12 03-29-2006 03:59 PM

I went with the subtle betrayer because they undermine everything that is worth fighting for. However I would have liked to have chosen the warlord type, mainly Darth Vader because he is AWESOME, at least when it comes to getting promoted within the Imperial fleet.
MacLeodCorp is right in that there are certain motivations that produce extreme baddies usually because they feel that they have nothing to lose.

Mossa 03-29-2006 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacLeodCorp
The most dangerous Sith is one that is not out for power, but out for a goal that they believe is worth dying for. Your list is pretty cool, but none of them will die for their own cause. When a person is willing to die for what they believe in, that means they will do everything in their abilities to carry out their agenda.

Revenge is a powerful modivator.

That in it self is a power... A power of the Dark side, it destroy the user of it... But also a tool of Light... Because it proves how much you believed in your case...

helljumper51 03-29-2006 07:11 PM

but, its always cool to see a jedi like atris being slowly seduced and destroyed to become a sith lord. i think it should be bastilla caming back from exile or wherever she was. u could be like a brother or sister to the character in the 1st kotor and bastilla is hhunting them down. what do u think of that?

Jae Onasi 03-30-2006 10:44 AM

I just want some Bad Boy to go squash. I don't need subtlety in a PC game. :D

Prime 03-30-2006 11:33 AM

I like the Sidious types in general, and probably the Vader types for bosses.

Cygnus Q'ol 03-30-2006 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi
I just want some Bad Boy to go squash. I don't need subtlety in a PC game. :D

Thank you Jae, I was looking for a way to say it, but, once again you've beaten me to the punch line.

Although I like the idea of the subtle betrayer (not withstanding Kreia), battle stirs me. In video games I want to fight as much as think.

Buzz1978 03-30-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tysyacha
The Warlord--Like Darth Malak and Darth Maul, this malevolent
marauder prefers fighting to deceit and subtle persuasion. Assaulting
the galaxy with almost unstoppable military might, the Warlord seeks
to conquer it through overwhelming force. That, after all, is power.

IMO Malak, Maul and Vader are pretty different types. Maul is just a pawn and that's pretty much all that can be said about him. Malak is just a stupid thug who - by accident - got his finger on the big red button. Vader is a very different story - in my eyes he's *the* dark jedi archetype. Of course he's not the betrayer type but he's not without subtlety - remember the plan to capture Luke on Bespin? If his brainless apprentice would force push someone into a commando console causing it to explode, he wouldn't hesitate a second to rip the idiots spine out...
But - and that's where Vader and Malak are comparable again - Vader doesn't really fit as a leader of a dark empire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tysyacha
Anakin
Skywalker never saw the Dark Side creeping in when he killed
Count Dooku at Palpatine's command.

"I shouldn't have done that. It's not the Jedi way."
He was well aware but he didn't want to realize it. I believe nobody can be actually trapped into the dark side. The door can be opened but everybody has to walk in on his own. BTW: The real life is full of such decisions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tysyacha
So, who do you think is the "baddest baddie" of them all?

No single "baddie" has everything it takes to claim the title of "baddest" but Sidious and Vader build up a team that remains unmatched...

Emperor Devon 03-30-2006 07:08 PM

Evil can vary on many levels. A person's lawful or chaotic nature will not influence it.

As for which kind of baddie I like, I prefer people like Sidious and Kreia, but I do not like to see just them. If Malak had been a suble manipulator in KotOR and Kreia had remained the same in TSL, I would have been very disappointed. I like having a litte variety.

Adept Havelock 03-30-2006 07:47 PM

I think it should be a giant alien spider, ala Stephen King's IT. j/k

I'd like a hybrid of any of the above concepts...as long as it feels original.

The Source 03-30-2006 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi
I just want some Bad Boy to go squash. I don't need subtlety in a PC game. :D

Yeah. KotOR II was so subtle that some of it looses all meaning. Hehehe...

I thought that Nhilious was going to be a very dark character, but he turned out to have almost no character build up.

We need a character that borderlines on sadistic. Someone that is out to wreak so much havoc for his agenda, and goes to but does not cross the breaking point.

Kriea, Atris, Sion, and Nhillis were very weak in being bad henchmen. We need someone that is continuously doing evil. Malak was a evil dude. He tortured Basatila and blew the hell out of a planet. If Nhillus was shown blowing up a few planet, or if he was shown absorbing the force, that would be a cool attempt at creating him into a successful badman. They could have shown him turtoring a few Jedi or Force Sensitives.

RaV™ 03-30-2006 09:35 PM

The warlord without the shadow of a doubt.

†Saint_Killa† 03-30-2006 10:38 PM

A subtle betrayer. These types of Sith baddies are way cooler.

TSR 03-31-2006 06:46 AM

besides how interesting the false jedi would be, after playing KOTOR 1 and experiencing how much that game can mess with your head, i'm unsure if people (including myself) could actually mentally accept something like that. maybe i'm just weak minded.

meh.

Sabretooth 04-01-2006 02:38 AM

I want a cross between Sion, Nihilus and Sidious. No, they're not going to do a threesome for you, you damned perv. xp

Okay, a guy who has mastered the Force so well, he can change his appearance. He often appears before you and (mis)guides you and leads you into his trap. He is extremely powerful, has a broken appearance (by default), like Sion, wears spooky stuff like Nihilus (in movies and such), and has a mind like Sidious. It'd be interesting to have an end scene where you learn that one of your team members is the Sith Lord and you have to square off against whom you think it is. Man, I'm a genius!

Uber_Saber 04-01-2006 06:38 PM

I voted for the Subtle Betrayer, because while the Warlord can wield tremendous powers, armies, navies, etc.... they tend to overlook rather simple things that spell their doom. The Betrayer, by knowing themselves better and remaining quiet, almost dormant, can press that to their advantage by finding out many things about their enemies, manipulating those enemies and their so-called 'allies' into doing things that benefit the Betrayer. That's power.

AJL 04-02-2006 07:05 AM

I think in KOTOR III the bigest bad guy should be a Subtle Betrayer like Sidious
and he should be more powerfull than you can become during the game... (you
shouldn't be able to kill or defeat him...)

If you go to lightside you should survive at best and if you go to darkside you
should become his apprentice

And the game should have very dark ending no matter which side you choose
to go to... By the end of the game there should be no more republic...

Aurora Merlow 04-02-2006 09:10 AM

I went for a subtle betrayer, but not one like Kreia. I thought she was just plain obvious, hardly subtle. I mean telling you off every time you help someone. So i'd prefer not to have that again.

AJL 04-02-2006 09:20 AM

Yes... Kreia was way too obvious...


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