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Bomberman65 04-05-2006 01:48 AM

Commandos vs. Spartans
 
If you had one Commando vs. one Spartan who do you think would win and why??

Niner_777 04-05-2006 04:35 PM

Good question. If it was one squad of commandos vs. a single Spartan, the commandos would win, no doubt. However, in one on one, I'm not sure. They both have personal sheilds. I'd guess that the Spartan had better armor, and is probably stronger due to its augmentations. Where the spartans fail is their lack of weapons. They can carry two weapons and two types of gernades, whereas the commandos can cary a pistol, their DC-17/m with blaster, sniper, and anti-armor attachments, and an additonal gun, as well as five kinds of gernades.

The spartan's gernades don't really have much use except for blowing stuff up. I think that if the commando threw a EC gernade, the EC could take out the sheild, as well as the Spartan's computers in its suit, making him much weaker, as the suit gives a Spartan much of his strengh. Also, the commandos have the advantage of bacta, which seems to be more effective than just a med pack.

In my opinion, the commando would win because of more diverse and useful weapons.

Kurgan 04-06-2006 04:23 PM

Who are these "spartans" you're talking about (and where can I look them up)? Obviously not the real life Spartans from antiquity...

And you can also compare to the multiplayer version of the Republic Commando, which can only carry two weapons (each attachment for the DC-17 counts as a "weapon") and three types of grenades (the fourth type isn't even available in multiplayer). What is this "fifth" type of grenade? There's only four in the game: sonic detonators, thermal detonators, EC detonators, and the Diversionary Flash detonators (SP only).

The ammo capacity of your guns is also smaller in the MP portion of the game. While more limiting, overall the MP presentation is probably more realistic for an individual commando (though carrying three attachments would seem logical enough, plus a pistol, among a squad it would make more sense to break up the weapons between them rather than giving each person everything).

Bacta of course works differently in MP vs. SP. In SP if you're not using a station (which takes time to use), you have to have somebody on your team revive you (which also takes time and only brings you back to half health). In MP you just run over a bacta tank and it instantly restores you to full almost instantly.


See the link to "BOOT CAMP" in my sig for further details. ;)

Bomberman65 04-06-2006 05:22 PM

Yeah the Spartans are from Halo thats what master cheif is. And I'm using a commando with the usall DC-17m attachments, eg. the blaster, sniper and anti armor and a sidearm/secondary weapon. No not a sidearm and secondary weapon just one.

Niner_777 04-06-2006 06:04 PM

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What is this "fifth" type of grenade? There's only four in the game:
You're right, my mistake. There are only four types of gernades in RC.

Also, it probably is better to campare the two through multiplayer, though I can't imagine a commando being sent off without at least his main weapon, and a sidearm.

Btw, what are you using for the spartan's weapons?

Kurgan 04-06-2006 07:31 PM

In Multiplayer RC, the Republic Commando gets the DC-17m with blaster attachment (40 rounds per clip, 4 clips: for a total of 160 shots), the DC-17s pistol and 2 Thermal Detonators. That's it! (Trandoshans are equipped exactly the same except substitute the Trandoshan Repeater for the DC-17m blaster... the gun is equal in power and rate of fire in MP). Obviously this also means they both have access to their regenerative personal shields and wrist blades (with their larger weapon).

BOOT CAMP! ;)

Bomberman65 04-06-2006 11:47 PM

Well I'll set it up like this,
Commando = DC-17m blaster attachment. (40 rounds per clip, 4 clips: for a total of 160 shots), DC-17s pistol and 2 Thermal Detonators.
Spartan = MA5B Assault Rifle. (60 rounds per clip, 3 clips: for a total of 180 shots), M6D Pistol, and 2 M9 HE-DP Grenades.
Who would win????

Niner_777 04-07-2006 05:17 PM

That's a really tough decision. Who do you think would win, Bomberman65?

Bomberman65 04-07-2006 06:00 PM

Well I'd have to say the Commando cause Commandos are more educated in stealth tatics and they can take a hell of a lot more beating then a Spartan. So my guess would be the Commando, but it would be a very close battle. Oh and call me 65 or BM for short.

Niner_777 04-07-2006 06:11 PM

I kind of thought the commando would win too. It seems to me like plasma, from the DC-17m, would cut through the Spartan's shields before the bullets cut through the commando's sheids. Oh, and sure thing BM.

Bomberman65 04-07-2006 08:00 PM

Yeah so how do you think a Commando would fair against a Hunter from Halo???

Niner_777 04-07-2006 08:18 PM

If a hunter is what I think it is, (Huge armored thing with the spines) then the commando would probably win. I think this mainly because the hunters aren't very manuverable, and don't the hunters have a weak spot on their back? The commando could easily outmanuver the hunter and blast it in the back, right. I haven't actually played Halo.

Bomberman65 04-07-2006 08:30 PM

Oh you should. Its not as good as Republic Commando imo but its still a good FPS.

Reclaimer 04-08-2006 03:52 PM

Read the Halo Books, and you will see why Spartans would win.

They are trained from the age of 6, taught the art of Warfare, Rules of Engagement, and Stealth, and only the strong survive.

Spartans would win, and read Halo: The Fall of Reach to see why.

RaV™ 04-09-2006 02:30 AM

Lets refer to the games shall we? I'm siding with RC's because what everyone else gave a reason for.

Bomberman65 04-09-2006 05:35 AM

Yeah I've got the Halo books but you read the Republic Commando books and you'll see why I think the Commando would win not the Spartan.

Reclaimer 04-09-2006 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomberman65
Yeah I've got the Halo books but you read the Republic Commando books and you'll see why I think the Commando would win not the Spartan.

I have the Commando books, yet I still don't see how they would beat Spartans.

Bomberman65 04-09-2006 05:19 PM

Well thats what I think and we all have our own opinions and I'll respect yours that the Spartan would win.

shinobichan 04-10-2006 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomberman65
If you had one Commando vs. one Spartan who do you think would win and why??

As far as combat skills are concerned, with Republic Commandos being grown and trained at accelerated rates, and a Spartan II soldier being trained non-stop since age 6, I'd say that they're even.

I think a squad of 4 RC's would be an even match for a Spartan. RC's have a number of advantages though. Nevermind the weapons and ammo counts represented in the game; 4 guys can carry more gear into battle than just 1 (4 guys that are probably just as resourceful as a Spartan II.) RC Katarn armor protects reasonably well against most types of damage. and with all the other specialaized gear that they can carry, it's no wonder that they're the best commando force in the SW galaxy.

On the other hand, Spartans are tough . Genetically and cybernetically enhances with stronger bones, better hearing and vision, and faster reaction times, Spartans in Mjolnir armor have been known to drop out of aircraft at 40,000 feet with no parachutes of any kind and still land intact. they do that in the 3rd Halo novel, but if you've played halo 2, you can fall from any height without damage, provided the fall isn't endless or anything.

Their armor further enhances a Spartan's strength and reaction times (in game, you can flip overturned warthog LRV's, even tanks.) Their weapons may be a little bit more low tech (if you discount Covenant plasma weapons), but a key advantage to their armor was always the fact that they could house AI networks (the Master Chief had Cortana piggybacked in his armor.) It allows for a Spartan to be able to go into combat and have reliable intel when there hasn't been any reconaisance. For instance, I wouldn't be suprised if an AI like Cortana could hack into an RC squad's radio so that the spartan could listen in.

So yea, in short, RC's are not dumb, there are four of them and one of the Spartan, have powerful weapons and have more options available in figuring out how to engage a Spartan soldier. Spartans and just as intelligent, have better armor, and has an AI built into the armor to further extend his or her eyes and ears.

Bomberman65 04-10-2006 06:58 AM

Yeah you have some good points there shinobichan. So when you put it like that I think that a Commando and a Spartan are even.

shinobichan 04-11-2006 12:30 AM

It would be an awesome fight. Both the Commandos and the Spartan would have to pull out all the stops in order to win. Commandos would probably work together to flank the Spartan, corner him, limit his movement and then go for a kill. While the Spartan would try and stick to shadows, working to terminate the Commandos one by one.

I always though Spartans, if anything, compared to ARC Troopers more than they compared to Republic Commandos. Arc Troopers and Spartans perform alot of the same type of missions.

Bomberman65 04-11-2006 04:23 AM

Hey yeah your right Spartans and ARC are nearly the same. So yeah I think the question would be who would win out of a Spartan vs. a ARC??
Or better yet Master Chief (The last of his kind) vs Boba Fett (The man just can't seem to die. I mean Luke, the Salacc, you just can't seem to kill him)

JokotoFett 04-11-2006 11:38 PM

Master Chief vs. Bobba Fett? That would be one nice fight.

Bomberman65 04-12-2006 01:48 AM

Hell yeah

Niner_777 04-12-2006 11:19 AM

That's another good question. I'd think Master Chief because I'd think that he is stronger and faster. I'd also think that Master Chief's armor is better, though that might not be true. After all, Boba's armor withstood the sarlac pit. I'd have to say that Boba Fett's bountyhunter gadgets and weapons are probably better than chief's. Boba might have more training because he was trained at a young age, just like master chief, but he trained with blasters, not throwing rocks at guards.

I'd have to say that Boba Fett would probably win. Even though Master Chief is unnaturally strong and has good armor, nobody knows how strong Boba's armor is, Boba is better equipped, has a jetpack for fast getaways, and just has better genes.

Bomberman65 04-12-2006 05:37 PM

Yeah that would be understandible.

shinobichan 04-13-2006 10:54 AM

I agree that's a good question too. I think that it's another even match. The Chief might be stronger and faster, and especially resistant to damage due to the armor. But I agree with Niner that Boba has better weapons. I think Boba probably has slightly better combat skills; he's had it tougher than the Chief, being that Boba was orphaned at around age 7 when Mace took Jango's head. Boba would know how to survive in a harsh galaxy.

I'd have to question the strength of Mandolorian iron though. Boba did survive the Sarlacc pit, but from what I understand, Boba did lose his original armor in the process, and had to take the imposter Jodo Kast's Mando armor at a later date (Another testament to Boba's combat ability, maybe?)

In the end, I think it boils down to who can spot the other first. If the Chief can get the drop on Boba and manage to get in close, I think the Chief can destroy him, with with his hands or with shotgun blasts to the face. Not easy to accomplish, since Boba does have a jetpack and all. I think Boba's best bet would be to keep the Chief at a distance. His jetpack mounted rocket could probably eliminate the Chief's shielding, leaving the Chief open to other rockets fired from Boba's wrist gauntlet, or ranged shots from his EE-3 Blaster Rifle (one of my favorite sci-fi weapons)

DARTH_PLAGUS 04-14-2006 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shinobichan
I agree that's a good question too. I think that it's another even match. The Chief might be stronger and faster, and especially resistant to damage due to the armor. But I agree with Niner that Boba has better weapons. I think Boba probably has slightly better combat skills; he's had it tougher than the Chief, being that Boba was orphaned at around age 7 when Mace took Jango's head. Boba would know how to survive in a harsh galaxy.

I'd have to question the strength of Mandolorian iron though. Boba did survive the Sarlacc pit, but from what I understand, Boba did lose his original armor in the process, and had to take the imposter Jodo Kast's Mando armor at a later date (Another testament to Boba's combat ability, maybe?)

In the end, I think it boils down to who can spot the other first. If the Chief can get the drop on Boba and manage to get in close, I think the Chief can destroy him, with with his hands or with shotgun blasts to the face. Not easy to accomplish, since Boba does have a jetpack and all. I think Boba's best bet would be to keep the Chief at a distance. His jetpack mounted rocket could probably eliminate the Chief's shielding, leaving the Chief open to other rockets fired from Boba's wrist gauntlet, or ranged shots from his EE-3 Blaster Rifle (one of my favorite sci-fi weapons)



We all know the spartan would win because their piston anti armor rounds you have tot ake everything into effect,. Spartan throws a frag grendae takes out shield of the commando and fires one shot from his pistol in the head and the commando is down. either way spartans can use plasma rifles.

DARTH_PLAGUS 04-14-2006 09:03 AM

Why would you think that boba was orphaned at age 7, what about the chief did you ever read the books, John is his name and he was thrown out into the jungle with a few other people at 12 yearsa old after he was taken for about a couple of years and expected to find his way back. I recommend you read the halo books.

shinobichan 04-14-2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DARTH_PLAGUS
Why would you think that boba was orphaned at age 7, what about the chief did you ever read the books, John is his name and he was thrown out into the jungle with a few other people at 12 yearsa old after he was taken for about a couple of years and expected to find his way back. I recommend you read the halo books.

I have read the Halo books. John 117 also grew up with all of his brothers and sisters; all the other fellow Spartans. The chief had people he could rely on. I don't recall the same deal for Boba.

The Chief was a wreck in the 2nd Halo novel too, when he thought all the other Spartans were dead. Almost got ambushed by a Covenant pincer move just after he crash landed on Halo. No competent soldier would not realize that they'd have to fight differently if there was only 1 of him and more of the enemy.

I wouldn't give the HE pistol too much credit either. It still takes about 5-7 shots to down a shielded elite. Republic Commando armor may be weaker than the Chief's armor, but it's not worthless

Niner_777 04-14-2006 10:18 AM

I think that in both senarios each opponent has the potential to beat the other one, and rather quickly. However, if a Spartan throws a frag gernade, the commando(or Boba Fett) isn't going to stand still and let it take out his sheild. He's going to get out of the way. Same applies for if a commando throws a gernade, as well as for bullets. No matter how good of an aim each is, they are both going to make themselves hard targets. That is what is going to make the fight as interesting as it would be.

shinobichan 04-14-2006 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Niner_777
I think that in both senarios each opponent has the potential to beat the other one, and rather quickly. However, if a Spartan throws a frag gernade, the commando(or Boba Fett) isn't going to stand still and let it take out his sheild. He's going to get out of the way. Same applies for if a commando throws a gernade, as well as for bullets. No matter how good of an aim each is, they are both going to make themselves hard targets. That is what is going to make the fight as interesting as it would be.

I agree Niner. I think it really comes down to their combat skill and not necessarily the weapons they carry.

I know I gave an example of how I thought a fight between The Chief and Fett might go. I would like to point out that it's kinda hard to debate this topic on the weapons aspect. Who's to say that the Chief's HE pistol (or the sniper rifle) can or can't punch through Mando armor in one or 2 hits? Is a bullet from the MA5B assault rifle the equivelant of a blaster bolt from a DC-17m? Do grenades have the same effect on the corresponding opponent's armor? Could a commando's ec grenade effectively shut down the Chief's powered armor, and kill Cortana in the process? etc. etc.

Also, Plagus, I said that I thought that Boba Fett had a rougher childhood than the Master Chief. I was supporting my argument that Boba Fett can operate solo more efficiently than the Chief. But just slightly. I still think that it would be an even match regardless. The Chief is still a very, very tough soldier, phsically and mentally.

My opinions are as follows; It would take a full squad or 4 RC's to have a chance of defeating a Spartan. The Spartan would be too tough for one Commando to take alone. A fight between the Master Chief and Boba fett would depend on who can spot the other first, because I don't think that either one of tham have an advantage big enough that the battle would sway too far in one or the others favor.

DARTH_PLAGUS 04-14-2006 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shinobichan
I agree Niner. I think it really comes down to their combat skill and not necessarily the weapons they carry.

I know I gave an example of how I thought a fight between The Chief and Fett might go. I would like to point out that it's kinda hard to debate this topic on the weapons aspect. Who's to say that the Chief's HE pistol (or the sniper rifle) can or can't punch through Mando armor in one or 2 hits? Is a bullet from the MA5B assault rifle the equivelant of a blaster bolt from a DC-17m? Do grenades have the same effect on the corresponding opponent's armor? Could a commando's ec grenade effectively shut down the Chief's powered armor, and kill Cortana in the process? etc. etc.

Also, Plagus, I said that I thought that Boba Fett had a rougher childhood than the Master Chief. I was supporting my argument that Boba Fett can operate solo more efficiently than the Chief. But just slightly. I still think that it would be an even match regardless. The Chief is still a very, very tough soldier, phsically and mentally.

My opinions are as follows; It would take a full squad or 4 RC's to have a chance of defeating a Spartan. The Spartan would be too tough for one Commando to take alone. A fight between the Master Chief and Boba fett would depend on who can spot the other first, because I don't think that either one of tham have an advantage big enough that the battle would sway too far in one or the others favor.

exactly, I agree, but he became really good at solo during the halo book #2, all I know is that I would love to see master chief and boba fight.

shinobichan 04-14-2006 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DARTH_PLAGUS
exactly, I agree, but he became really good at solo during the halo book #2, all I know is that I would love to see master chief and boba fight.

Yeah, otherwise I thought the Master Chief does fine throughout the rest of book 2 :-)

I dunno, maybe it's because I really do like all of the characters that we've been involving that I see them all being so evenly matched against each other. It'd be a boring fight if all the Commandos had to do against the Master Chief was go cyclic with their DC-17m's, or if the Master Chief just wiped out the entire squad by firing a rocket... Or threw a rock at Fett's jetpack and made him fly into the Sarlacc again.

Bomberman65 04-16-2006 07:03 PM

Hey all sorry I haven't been reply on my topic for a while but I'm staying at my sister's place so I don't have acess to a pc that much. But yeah you guys are making some good points.

scout_zero 04-19-2006 06:50 PM

I would think Republic Commandos. Don't know why. They are smarter. :)

Dark Lord Revan 04-21-2006 05:02 PM

Commandos and Spatrans are even, But BOSS and MC are another story. They outpreform other commandos/Spartans, and are even with each other.


More on topic would be that the CC would win one on one, The plasma could esily destroy a section of armor...look at Sam, The armor of the CC (Kartarn) even blocks the more human-ized weapons of the trandoshans


Final Verdict
Commandos better than Spartans
BOSS better than MC

Bomberman65 04-21-2006 07:45 PM

Yeah I concure with you Dark Lord Revan. I think that Boss a.k.a RC-1138 is way better than Master Chief a.k.a Spartan 117.

Dark Lord Revan 04-21-2006 08:31 PM

But i also said that commandos were better than Spartans...but the main point was about RC-1138 and John-117

deamonomic 05-08-2006 03:37 AM

my moneys on the spartans. for one even if the commando takes out the spartans electronics the suits stength comes from the armor its self. the spartan would lose some stength and some reaction timing but ultimatly it wouldnt be a big enough loss as to lead to the spartans defeat. and if ur want to go into it more if the spartans suit is damaged that badly then he would remove it at the first oppertunity. however he could still continue combat with it on. even with out the armor the spartan would be much faster then the commando due to the augments. and i dont just mean physical speed i also mean reaction timming as well. the spartans can see better, hear better, and have advanced reflexes. the commandos only have their training workign for them, while the spartans have that and much more.


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