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*bAsTiLaJeEdAi* 08-12-2006 10:39 PM

*How did Vader get his name?*
 
Darth Vader!woooooooo

How did Sidious come up with Vaders name? Did he just think-ooooo Vader that sounds cool and intimidating. and has anyone else noticed that if you put "in" in front of vader its Invader which is basically what he is?

Sorry its just that this has been bugging me for ages, and I was looking forward to finding out in ROTS but all he says is "you will be known Darth Vader". any thoughts? :vadar:

Jeff 08-12-2006 10:48 PM

Well I don't know the official reason for how Palpatine came up with it (if there is one) but I know in, I believe, Dutch, Vader means father. So that's how they got the name.

Great Scott! 08-12-2006 11:13 PM

The name probably means something, and Palpatine had about 23 years to think it up, so he probably chose well.

*bAsTiLaJeEdAi* 08-12-2006 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Moeller
Well I don't know the official reason for how Palpatine came up with it (if there is one) but I know in, I believe, Dutch, Vader means father. So that's how they got the name.

Whoa thats quite interesting. hehe Darth Father. or Darth Dad!

Jeff 08-13-2006 07:11 AM

Well they got the name Darth because it sounded like dark. I remember George saying something about how in reality vader's name means 'Dark Father.'

Pho3nix 08-13-2006 07:22 AM

Yeah I think that's right, Vader does mean father.

Great Scott! 08-13-2006 12:20 PM

In German, father is "Vater," which is really close too (as has been pointed out before), but the Dutch name is the official reason.

coupes. 08-13-2006 01:54 PM

All true, GL said so in a interview with Rolling Stone in 2005 I beleive.

Darth_Terros 08-16-2006 10:24 AM

Darth is a made up name just like Jedi or Sith.

And here is wookieepedia has to say on the subject

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It is also worth noting that vader is the Dutch word for father (as well as an Old English variant for "father" cf. OED), and it may be tempting to read the character name Darth Vader as Dark Father, a word-play that may well be the root of the Sith title. However, judging by the origin of the other Sith names, Vader may also possibly be a derivative of the word invader. Furthermore, it is also worth noting that in the original scripts for A New Hope, the name Darth Vader was given to a normal Imperial general.

grrrrrrrrrr7 08-16-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chase Windu
That's what I've heard for a long time. I thought everybody knew that.:p

i didnt

PoiuyWired 08-16-2006 02:13 PM

So, Darth Vader could be translated as "Black Daddy" ??

DarthMuffin 08-16-2006 03:09 PM

The wookiepedia bit is quite interesting.

But I believe that the OP wanted to know how *Sidious*, not Lucas, found the name. It's been a while since I read the book, but there's something about "Sith spirits" whispering the name to Sidious. Or something similar.

MachineCult 08-16-2006 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PoiuyWired
So, Darth Vader could be translated as "Black Daddy" ??

Only by someone like you.

St. Jimmy 08-17-2006 04:35 AM

O_o Wow. I never knew that stuff I just assumed GL used that name 'cause it sounded cool.

Negative Sun 08-17-2006 03:32 PM

But I agree, the way Palpatine presents it in the movie is kinda stupid...In fact that entire scene is rediculous, Anakin is such a damn wimp...It kinda ruins the image I used to have of Vader

Samurai DD 08-18-2006 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth54
The wookiepedia bit is quite interesting.

But I believe that the OP wanted to know how *Sidious*, not Lucas, found the name. It's been a while since I read the book, but there's something about "Sith spirits" whispering the name to Sidious. Or something similar.

Yep, in fact, if you pay attention in the movie, Sidious doesn't just say "You'llbeDarthVader." He kind of says "You'll be Darth... Va... Der." In the space between syllables you can hear a really creepy sound, probably the Sith spirits telling him the name.

Great Scott! 08-18-2006 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Negative_Sun
But I agree, the way Palpatine presents it in the movie is kinda stupid...In fact that entire scene is rediculous, Anakin is such a damn wimp...It kinda ruins the image I used to have of Vader

Are you ****ing kidding me? That was one of my favorite scenes in the whole saga! :snear: People sure are critical when watching the prequel trilogy, if it's not 100% perfect, they seem to get all mad at it...

obXI 08-19-2006 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Samurai DD
Yep, in fact, if you pay attention in the movie, Sidious doesn't just say "You'llbeDarthVader." He kind of says "You'll be Darth... Va... Der." In the space between syllables you can hear a really creepy sound, probably the Sith spirits telling him the name.

Yeah he did pause there, almost like he had other names racing through his head.

"darth vapid...no nono...vapor...NO...vegas. Ah Wait! Vader!"

From the moment Sidious exposed himself as a Sithlord to Anakin to the moment Anakin became Darth Vader was the BEST direction Lucas had done throughout the prequels. My god I thought it would never happen, some damn good drama...*appalauds*

MachineCult 08-19-2006 06:24 AM

I thought it was some sort of ancient Sith language and he was just thinking of something appropriate for Anakin.

grrrrrrrrrr7 08-19-2006 08:15 AM

Here's what DARTH VADER really means:

..................It is also worth noting that vader is the Dutch word for father (as well as an Old English variant for "father" cf. OED), and it may be tempting to read the character name Darth Vader as Dark Father, a word-play that may well be the root of the Sith title. However, judging by the origin of the other Sith names, Vader may also possibly be a derivative of the word invader. Furthermore, it is also worth noting that in the original scripts for A New Hope, the name Darth Vader was given to a normal Imperial general.............

End of dissucussion.

Darth_Terros 08-19-2006 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by grrrrrrrrrr7
Here's what DARTH VADER really means:

..................It is also worth noting that vader is the Dutch word for father (as well as an Old English variant for "father" cf. OED), and it may be tempting to read the character name Darth Vader as Dark Father, a word-play that may well be the root of the Sith title. However, judging by the origin of the other Sith names, Vader may also possibly be a derivative of the word invader. Furthermore, it is also worth noting that in the original scripts for A New Hope, the name Darth Vader was given to a normal Imperial general.............

End of dissucussion.

Thanks for sharing something that was already posted ....

PoiuyWired 08-19-2006 12:26 PM

Well, we still did not solve why IN UNIVERSE he is called Vader.

I don't suppose Sidious called Ani Vader cause "Hmmm... Vader means father, cause you make me think about my daddy"

One suggestion would be Vader as in "invader" like Sidious as in "insidious" but obviously you don't add in- in frount of all Darth- sith names.

Think about inbane, inkrayt, inmalek or inbinks. They all sound stupid.

Samurai DD 08-19-2006 02:16 PM

But the solution for the "in universe" reason is what Darth54 and me already posted! Sith spirits chose the name, and told Sidious through the Force.

DarthMuffin 08-19-2006 03:46 PM

Well, people like to discuss stuff over and over again even if the topic question is already answered :p

JediLandon 09-21-2006 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nintendork
The name probably means something, and Palpatine had about 23 years to think it up, so he probably chose well.



ya he probably had some time to think of that name beside all the sith names start with darth all that he had to come up with was vader

Darth Badguy 01-28-2007 08:45 AM

I don't tink it has anything to do with Dutch. I would like it if he was really called after a Dutch word (I'm Dutch :D ) but it doesn't make any sense... why would George Lucas read the dictionary of one of the smallest countrys in the world with a Prime-Minister of which George Bush can't even remember his name (Jan Peter Balkenende)? It's more like (In)vader, attacker, leader of the invasion...

Gug Eyewalker 01-28-2007 08:36 PM

About the scene where his is named Darth Vader, everything leading up to that was great, BUT, Anakin was way too submissive, he was just "What have I done?" "I pledge myself to your teachings" and that was it!

There shoulda been a fight between the two or something, Sidious shoulda had a round against Anakin to break his will....
Forget about al lthe Padme nonsense! No idiot would jsut bow down to a sworn and untrusted enemy to save your girlfriend from a scanty vision.

darth kav 02-01-2007 12:37 PM

he was "submissive" because he know no that he could not go back to the light side because he has killed a jedi master and if he did he would be exiled from the council.hope this anwsers your question.

any why back to the subject i agree with Samurai DD and darth 54 said.

Titanius Anglesmith 02-01-2007 01:12 PM

Actually, he could come back to the light since he did in episode IV.

If he loved Padme enough, then he would've done anything to save her - even betray his allies and become the Sith Lord's apprentice.

And btw, Darth Badguy, try not to resurrect old threads. :)

Ctrl Alt Del 02-02-2007 04:13 PM

I've heard about a babylonian word (think its babilonian, or sumerian, or somewhere else on the old Middle-East) that, renslated, sounds exactly like Darth Vader.

The actual meaning of that word is: "The rule of the Sword". An entire era where the wars, the warfare, was woth more than actual people.

darth kav 02-02-2007 04:55 PM

thats kool :O

JawaJoey 02-26-2007 02:56 AM

There are plenty of explanations for the etymology of Vader and most character's names, but the question, I think, is how did Palpatine come up with it.

We don't know, but I would guess that he just chose it. Obviously not from the Dutch origin. Just something cool and intimidating, reminiscent of evil. He probably thought of it before hand.

How do you name a child? You just come up with a good name. This was the same, except instead of a baby, he was a Sith. :p

LordSerion 08-09-2007 10:41 AM

This is an ancient Sith tradition. When an Apprentice reaches the required status, the Master gives him his new name. He enters into a brief, but deep meditation, connects to the Force and then spells it. The Dark Side itself suggests the name.

PoiuyWired 08-09-2007 12:17 PM

Now how did the Sith Spirits come up with the name? I guess they are probably getting it from one of those "baby names" website from goggle.

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Originally Posted by JawaJoey
There are plenty of explanations for the etymology of Vader and most character's names, but the question, I think, is how did Palpatine come up with it.

How do you name a child? You just come up with a good name. This was the same, except instead of a baby, he was a Sith. :p

Well, there is no "Book of Baby Sith Names" found on Amazon.com. So it must be hard naming your lil' Sith.

Well, actually rather than coming up with a nice sounding name, it does help to check on words with similar meaning, ESPECIALLY words that sound similar in the language. You ton'w want your kid to be made fun of fore the rest of his life. Cause you know, it is REQUIRED for everyone to make fun of a stupid name.

Sabretooth 08-12-2007 12:17 PM

I think the thread is about how Palpatine made up the name "Vader" and not how Lucas made up the name "Vader"! It was probably the name of some ancient Sith or meant something in the ancient Sith language, methinks. The way he says it, "Darth... Vader." indicates that he was looking for something in his memory, a name he had in his mind.

PoiuyWired 08-12-2007 12:26 PM

Well, consider Anakin lucky... If Palpy have bad hearing then he may be stuck with some random stupid names...

Darth... Beta!!!

Obss Damell 08-15-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Moeller
Well I don't know the official reason for how Palpatine came up with it (if there is one) but I know in, I believe, Dutch, Vader means father. So that's how they got the name.


thats true. my guess is because he has no father. although some belive darth plaguies ''created'' him by manipulating midi-chlorians.....damn paradox....Plagueies makes Anikin, Sidious kills Plagueies, Anikin becomes Sidious' apprentice...damn

BigMike322 09-29-2007 10:54 AM

Too bad they canceled the Plagues novel, although I am looking forward to the rule of 2. Anyways I think the whole Vade/Father concept was to coincide with "Luke, I am your father."

Rev7 09-29-2007 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Samurai DD
But the solution for the "in universe" reason is what Darth54 and me already posted! Sith spirits chose the name, and told Sidious through the Force.

Exactly... don't you remember that Sidious had a really deep voice when he told Ani that his new name was Vader... Sidious got this from the dark side of the force, he DIDN'T think of the name, the dark side of the force did.

Marius Fett 12-02-2007 04:24 PM

This is like asking how America became America...

Or how Britain became Britain...

Just sounds cool!

:D


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