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clonetrooper09 10-13-2006 08:49 PM

A thing that has been bothering me in Episode II(spoilers)
 
"Shoot him down!" says Anakin.

"We're out of rockets, sir!"

We're out of rockets. This might have been brought up but still it should be pointed out. The LAAT has other weapons rather than the rockets. It has laser cannons, two laser beams, and a laser beam type of thing(don't know name) on it. Why the clone pilot didn't use his laser cannons to shoot down Dooku is beyond me. Anyone else a little stumped as to why they didn't do this?

MachineCult 10-14-2006 05:58 AM

They probably only use the rockets for air to air targets in situations like that. I thought it was a little weird as well, though.

Canderous_ordo1 10-14-2006 07:07 AM

well from what i know from my many battles
rockets are only long range wepons but the thing that stumped me .
was why did they even use rockets in the frist place they probley had something like a plasma cannon to be tactical it would be better to use the laser to shoot it down .

MachineCult 10-14-2006 05:50 PM

^^^Many battles? Okay then guy whatever you say. Also, I don't think that the LAAT's have "plasma cannons".

PoiuyWired 10-17-2006 04:00 PM

Well, I am pretty darn sure the is enough lascannon to be used on any flyers. Optical weapons would work fairly well even against flyers. I guess this proves that most non-pilot oriented clones are weak at air battles, as said.

boinga1 10-19-2006 10:35 PM

Well, the real reason for this line is because George wanted Obi and Ani to follow Dooku but not kill him in the air, and George probably couldn't think of an excuse for the lasers not to work. However, it is possible that the flyer's lasers were damaged, or that the gunner(s) had been KIA. Perhaps the swoop was simply out of range for lasers.

Emperor Devon 10-19-2006 11:06 PM

The gunship's blasters don't look to be very fast, and Dooku was small and agile target. I think that the rockets lock onto what they're fired at, since they changed direction slightly when shot at the Techno Union ships.

PoiuyWired 10-21-2006 04:12 PM

Well, them "not trying" to hit Dooku is just cheese... I think it would look much better if there is a short 2 second scene of blaster shots missing Dooku's ride. It makes more sense that way, and Dooku will look cooler.

clonetrooper09 10-21-2006 10:51 PM

Yeah, at least make an attempt. And also, that gun in the back of the LAAT, should of been able to shoot down those starfighters.

Kurgan 10-24-2006 01:09 AM

Obviously the plot sequence demanded that they not simply shoot him down, but it was weak, I agree.

Plus, (it's been awhile but anyone with the DVD handy can check) apparently if you watch the scene right before it you can clearly see they have plenty of rockets left, so whoever was modelling that scene forgot to at least give the appearance that what the pilot said was reasonable! gaffe).

I once thought perhaps Dooku mind tricked the pilot to just give fake information to the Jedi onboard. That would mean they were incredibly gullible though, but who knows! ;)


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^^^Many battles?
I take it he was referring to some game experience. Though I'd point out that the games always play fast and loose with the mechanics of Star Wars tech, for the sake of balance and gameplay, so the games aren't a very reliable guide for how the movie stuff is supposed to work.

PoiuyWired 10-25-2006 02:37 PM

Whatever it is, they should have done the scene better. And its not too farfetched if Dooku can dodge attacks from a couple of LAAT anyways.

McCusto 10-25-2006 06:12 PM

Just to let you know, you probably don't have to put (spoilers) after the title, considering Episode II came out 4 years ago.

clonetrooper09 10-25-2006 06:39 PM

Someone might not have seen Episode II yet.

Sabretooth 10-26-2006 08:38 AM

It was all part of Palpatine's evil scheme. :joy:

RC-1162 10-26-2006 11:42 AM

man! i was just going to say that! :xp:

Jan Gaarni 10-26-2006 05:44 PM

And with that in mind, the clone troopers are the property of Palpatine. :)
They may have been instructed deep in their unconscious minds not to harm certain individuals.

I believe this isn't all too far fetched. After all, look what happens in Ep. III.

clonetrooper09 10-26-2006 07:39 PM

Some clones didn't follow Order 66, I think. Then they were eventually killed.

RC-1162 10-27-2006 07:00 AM

those were the Clone Commandos, and they were the only ones who had sense.
the pilot was a pure clone troop, tho

Sabretooth 10-27-2006 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RC-1162
those were the Clone Commandos, and they were the only ones who had sense.

The Clone Commandos did not have mental freedom, they were just mentally and physically enhanced. It was the Advanced Reconnaissance Commandos who were able to think freely and had some sense.

But isn't this thread slowly, but surely veering way off-topic?

TSR 10-27-2006 09:46 AM

Surely he could have just gone faster and rammed him off? :|

RC-1162 10-29-2006 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth
The Clone Commandos did not have mental freedom, they were just mentally and physically enhanced.

yeah, thats what i meant :p

PoiuyWired 10-30-2006 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSuperRodian
Surely he could have just gone faster and rammed him off? :|

Yeah, its like trying to ram a F16 with a Biplane...

But yeah, Its the ARC Troopers that are trained with the greatest amount of free will, whatever that means. Though I think the whole scene have nothing to do with free will of the clones, but rather "free will of the script writers"

Shane_1990 10-30-2006 04:11 PM

Count dokou was not meant to die in episode II, becuase in episode III anakin kills him and turns him even more to the DARK SIDE!

Pho3nix 10-30-2006 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane_1990
Count dokou was not meant to die in episode II, becuase in episode III anakin kills him and turns him even more to the DARK SIDE!

http://www.kerrolisaa.com/kuvat/sparrow.jpg

Indeed.

clonetrooper09 10-30-2006 06:51 PM

It's not like the clones knew that Count Dooku was apart of this plan of Galactic Domination. They just thought that he was an enemy to the Republic, which he was.

TSR 10-31-2006 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PoiuyWired
Yeah, its like trying to ram a F16 with a Biplane...

Erm, the LAAT is much bigger and faster than the crappy little speeder dooku was on...

MachineCult 10-31-2006 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PoiuyWired
Yeah, its like trying to ram a F16 with a Biplane...

No it isn't.

RC-1162 10-31-2006 07:39 AM

its the other way around, only that the "F16" here is the bigger in mass.

MachineCult 11-02-2006 10:38 AM

He may have been talking about the F16 and Biplane in terms of speed, in which case he would still be very wrong.

RC-1162 11-02-2006 11:27 AM

yeah, speed is the reason i said it's the other way round.


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