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nova_wolf 06-12-2001 07:19 AM

The Collectors Pack by Lucas Arts....
 
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY !!!

Force Commander, Rogue Squadron and Ep1 Behind Scenes do not a decent collectors release make !

If they really wanted to show off what they could do, and release games people actually want, then they shouls have released :

Jedi Knights + MOTS
Supremecy
Pod Racer
X-Wing Alliance

This set represents FPS, Strategy (did not have beautiful graphics, but then again, it didnt NEED ful blown drool inspiring 3D which needed a top line machine. Never have I seen such depth in a strategy), Racing (best god damn racing game EVER ! WipEout can kiss its ass god bye on this one !), and the PREMIER fly'em up.

None of this ****e they make today... (Flame retardent clothes on about now me thinks...."

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Rogue15 06-12-2001 08:11 PM

are you mad?

Fondas 06-13-2001 04:05 AM

Although I do agree with you, there is a perfectly logical explanation behind LA's release: Marketing http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/rolleyes.gif

nova_wolf 06-13-2001 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fondas:
Although I do agree with you, there is a perfectly logical explanation behind LA's release: Marketing http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/rolleyes.gif
Do you want to clarify that ?

How does issuing a substandard collection of crap do well for you in the Marketing Department.

Being a business studies student, I have looked at this, and think that if LA realy wanted it to look good, it should have included its better, and now hard to find, games, not this ****e they are producing currently (although Pod Racer Revenge and Rogue Leader show potential)

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Rogue15 06-13-2001 02:03 PM

hey, jedi knight 2 is coming out, it won't run on my cpu though, so i won't buy it unless i first upgrade my computer.

Rogue Squadron is a good game, there's a neat utility at http://rogue.squadron.tripod.com for it.

nova_wolf 06-16-2001 10:00 AM

I have nothing against Rogue Squadron, but compared to X-Wing Alliance...

I just cannot understand why the pack needed TWO flight sims / flight-em ups !

I do know of Jedi Knights 2, and looks DAMN fine. E3 demo was shown, had everyone's jaws on the floor, and then they were told that what they had shown was only TEN WEEKS worth of work ! OH YEAH !

But I am more interested in new project 'Knights of the Old Republic' - by Bioware (Baldurs Gate) and will be in same style and use same system ! I am hoping that the Exar Kun storyline comes up at some point in it... But I anticipate it to be DAMN fine if Bioware are allowed full control, with no interference from LA (sorry, but latest stuff from LA just hacks me off)

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Rogue15 06-18-2001 02:30 AM

i'd really be interested in a
'TIE Fighter Alliance' for pc. maybe it'd have a pilot who was in biggs' training squadron?

nova_wolf 06-18-2001 09:36 AM

I think that is a really great idea...

Call Lucas, tell him we got some good **** for him !

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

nova_wolf 06-18-2001 09:36 AM

I think that is a really great idea...

Call Lucas, tell him we got some good **** for him !

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Fondas 06-18-2001 03:43 PM

Since you are a business student, you shouldn't forget the first rule : Maximizing profit while minimizing the cost.

What did that "collector's pack" cost LA ? nothing ! What profit is it possible to make ? some.
There are some people, focusing on what specific target groups want. They made surveys and found out that this specific combo can flow cash to their company , without lifting a finger.

It' common secret by now that LA is not what it used to be. They are focusing on younger target groups, while abandoning the mature ones. Just take a look at their latest releases.

they call it strategy , I call it incompetence. It's that simple.

Can you really think of a LA game, AFTER XWA, that could satisfy the 22-30 target group ? I dodn't think so.

They like it or not, the title "Star Wars" is not good enough by itself. With the pressure of the competition breathing heavily on them, they simply cannot afford to release second rate games...

..to think about it, even the mighty Sierra got sold...



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"No matter how pretty the bait,
a hook is still a hook !"
TZG+7

nova_wolf 06-19-2001 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fondas:
Since you are a business student, you shouldn't forget the first rule : Maximizing profit while minimizing the cost.

They like it or not, the title "Star Wars" is not good enough by itself. With the pressure of the competition breathing heavily on them, they simply cannot afford to release second rate games...

..to think about it, even the mighty Sierra got sold...

1) But maximising profit should never be done at the detremental cost of quality or reputation.

2) They cannot continue releasing second rate crap, but they are STILL spewing it from every orifice (FC, Bombad Racer, Battleground, Demelotion, Power Battles)

3) Sierra are not QUITE that bad yet...

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Fondas 06-21-2001 04:40 AM

My thoughts, exactly !

The only problem is that they dont have to worry about their reputation or quality anymore, since they have managed to flash it down the drain, a long time ago !

Regarding Sierra, I merely mentioned them because it used to be one of the best, if not THE best S/W company around.

There is a sarcastic saying in Greek, which unfortunatelly i cannot transelate in English without loosing it sarcasm and meaning, describing what LAC is trying to do with those collector's packs... http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

As far as the space combat sims are concerned , I'm very pessimistic ! Since Larry Holland and TG has left the building, there is not even a sign of a good quality sim... http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/rolleyes.gif

P.S. The world I was looking for is "opportunism" !

[This message has been edited by Fondas (edited June 21, 2001).]

Darth Sceltor 06-21-2001 03:47 PM

*AHEM*

Rogue Leader!!

*cough*

Rogue15 06-21-2001 06:12 PM

rogue leader and battlegrounds at least look promising. I'm excited about battlegrounds since there's suppose to be tons of units, and that scenerio editor. at least EVERYTHING isn't revolving around episode 1. i liked the episode 1 games, mainly the phantom menace since you could do alot in that game. At least they're not going to try to make another xwing game, i think they have EVERY right to be afraid to make one. these are the questions they probably went through:

Will it be good enough for the fans?

Will we accidentally port it to console a month before its release and tick a great number of fans off?

What more new craft can we add?

Should we base the game off of books?

I think by not going ahead and making another space combat simulator, they decrease their chances of angering even MORE fans if it doesn't live up to expectations. IF they'd take the chance and nobody would like it, they'd lose profit and business.

forgive me if none of this makes any sense. i'm just typing to keep from getting bored.



nova_wolf 06-23-2001 07:44 AM

Battlegounds will be NAFF (and that is being optimistic, polite, kind etc) !

For Vader's sake, the AT-AT is caled a 'Heavy Duel Mech' !

NOT a good sign !

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Nute Gunray 06-24-2001 12:47 AM

Perhaps you didn't read the REASON why the AT-AT was called a Heavy Dual Mech instead of an AT-AT....it's for easy of play. It would take a great deal of time to memorize what every unit is CALLED for 10 different civilizations.

nova_wolf 06-26-2001 07:29 AM

So what, all 10 civs have the same units do they ?

But so what if they change a name. You still have a whole shed load of units whom you will want to remember. Whether the names are real (which they should be - lets face it !) or a new set of anmes, you will still want to remember them for the purposes of discussions.

I think it was pointless !!!!

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Nova Squadron, the Elite B-Wing flight group stationed aboard the Nebulon B Frigate 'Oracle', home of the tech library.

'No capitol too large, no corvette too armed. NOVA squadron, for ALL your extermination needs. Our special at the moment - SSDs (See our work with the Iron Fist !) !'
Commander Jon 'DFMD' Adamson - leader of Nova Squadron (B-Wing ID = 'The White Witch')

Admiral Zaarin 06-26-2001 09:37 AM

Forgive me for going slightly off topic here.....

If there's one thing I hate about games these days, it's this increasing trend to making them way too short. To take an LEC example, Starfighter. It showed potential, good engine (if a bit simplistic at times), OK story (could have done with some revamping though), but could be completed in about half a day. Another one of my favorite new-ish console games, Zone of the Enders, does the same thing. Inspired engine, great story, takes under 7 hours ( http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/eek.gif ) to complete. Compare this to older games, some of which could take weeks to finish (A prime example being the great Day of the Tentacle).

Unfortunately, the same thing is creeping slowly into PC gaming. (*cough*Rogue Squadron*cough*) Before long we're going to be playing space sims with one mission.

</rant> http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/smile.gif

Nute Gunray 06-27-2001 12:35 AM

Think about AOE2. EVERY civilization had some kind of mobile heavy seige catapult, but not everyone called it a trebuchet. But in AOE2, they called them all trebs. Battlegrounds odd unit names are exactly like that.


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