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TehBombKerushii 12-20-2007 04:48 PM

Carth Or Atton
 
Well I know who I would pick *cough* Carth *cough* but I would like to know about you guys! If you had to pick, who would you rather have around?

JediMaster12 12-20-2007 06:47 PM

I would choose Atton. I happen to like nice men but a scoundrel works just fine :p

RobQel-Droma 12-20-2007 08:19 PM

Carth.

But I like Atton too. It's just that I like the first KOTOR's story/characters a bit more, since I like Atton as character maybe just as well.

Jasper_Kazai 12-20-2007 10:05 PM

Atton, he's less whiny than Carth. And you can make Atton a Jedi.
Well, I guess that's unfair to say. Carth would have been a Jedi had he been in K2 also. Because even though they're almost extinct, everyone can be a Jedi in K2. :rolleyes:

RobQel-Droma 12-20-2007 10:57 PM

^Lol. Its funny how so many people have force potential in a galaxy where Jedi are hunted to extinction, isn't it? Kind of ironic, although its not like its unbelievable.

However, Carth may be whiny, but I give him an A+ for "heart". :xp:

Igos 12-20-2007 11:21 PM

They're quite different, I think. Personally, I felt as if Carth was a more solid character overall; I disliked they way they portrayed Atton's past in TSL. It's a close call, for me, though.

Rev7 12-21-2007 01:06 AM

I liked both of the characters, but I voted for Carth. Atton was very very close behind. :)

Miltiades 12-21-2007 05:30 AM

Atton, for sure. He's got some very funny lines, and at the same time, got no reason to be the funny guy, with his dark past.

adamqd 12-21-2007 06:38 AM

Definitely Carth, although Atton deserves an honorable mention for getting me through the Hell-Hole we all know as Peragus, he's also quite funny.

Kas'!m 12-21-2007 07:38 AM

Atton simply because he's a Jedi

Obi-Wan Baloney 12-21-2007 08:57 PM

Definitely Atton. He was more like a Han Solo of sorts. Carth was cool, but he held too many grudges. Atton could pretty much care less.

Shem 12-22-2007 12:27 AM

Let the rivalry start, especially if both were party members in KOTOR III.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5...ncarth4ic7.jpg

http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/potd/66483

Miltiades 12-22-2007 09:26 AM

Hehe, nice one. :p

Lordjedi 12-25-2007 10:06 PM

I chose Carth

Tommycat 12-25-2007 11:50 PM

Atton: Better lines.

Ravnas 01-02-2008 09:14 PM

Atton, For me he was less whiny but he didn't say much after training to be a jedi.

lord-nihilus 02-03-2008 03:07 PM

Stupid idiot ATTON! carth is babbling fool!

Hawkstrong16 02-03-2008 03:23 PM

Carth is a annoying little SOB but I liked him more then Atton.

Granted that could be because I didn't like Kotor II that much

TKA-001 02-04-2008 03:02 PM

Let's see here.

One of them is a whiny, completely unoriginal goody two-shoed brat.

The other is kind of like Han Solo, and isn't suspicious to the point of being irrational.

Guess which one I voted for.

Emperor Devon 02-04-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TKA-001
One of them is a whiny

How is this bad? I much prefer party members that can think independently enough to take issue with your character (and if it's for irrational reasons, that makes them all the better). It makes them far more human than if they agree with everything you say and do everything you tell. Seeing Carth irrationally yell at your PC that he wouldn't let himself be betrayed again had more life than 90% of the game's other scenes.

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Originally Posted by TKA-001
completely unoriginal

In comparison to many of the game's other party characters? How so?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKA-001
goody two-shoed

Spending his life unhealthily obsessing over murdering someone constitutes goody-two-shoed-ness?

On the poll, undecided. Atton had a fun personality and a backstory I adored (former torturer/professional killer and all), but Carth's character had quite a bit of depth to it. They're too different to effectively compare.

Totenkopf 02-04-2008 04:44 PM

Well, not his unhealthy obsession w/Saul so much as the rest of the second guessing he does to you, never mind nixing/hurting your ability to extort or hurt others while he's in your party. I'm inclined to agree that Carth is a more solidly fleshed out than Atton. Having said that, it would be a close call. I think Carth would be more dependable, but Atton more of a cutup. I'd probably be inclined to use them (or not) equally. Maybe you could include neither or both as choices.

Arátoeldar 02-04-2008 05:54 PM

Carth because of his dependability.

Talyn82 02-06-2008 09:55 PM

I choose Atton, because he's not a coward like Carth. I lost respect for Carth, when he left Mission, a 14 year old girl to die on the "Unknown Planet". Throughout the game npc's say Carth is a great hero, but on the "Unknown Planet" he showed his true colors.

Master Shake 02-06-2008 11:01 PM

Atton hands down....Republic soldier who cant let go of his past or ex murderer turned jedi....I choose the latter

Uilleand 02-07-2008 01:35 AM

oohh...Close call for me....as much as I adore Carth, and I do, believe me ... I love the darkness in Atton. As a character, he's so complex and twisted...I guess that's why he shows up in everything I write....
When it comes down to real life...I married a Carth...but I can still think nasty thoughts about an Atton, can't I?? hehehe

TKA-001 02-07-2008 01:07 PM

Quote:

In comparison to many of the game's other party characters? How so?
I'm amazed that you even need to ask such an absurd question.

1. Soldier who's unswervingly loyal to the good guys.

2. Betrayed by his friend/mentor (Saul).

3. Family members (wife and son, dunno what happened to his father) killed by treacherous former mentor (Dustil wasn't actually dead, but as far as Carth knows, he might as well be), swears revenge.

4. Eventually gets back at Saul and avenges his dead family member(s) or whoever.

5. He irrationally and unsurprisingly feels partially guilty for his family's death(s).

7. When Saul is almost dead he has to be told not to "follow the dark side" (or whatever Bastila said) because he can only kill people the good way.

8. His son is equally whiny and completely irrationally blames his father for the mother's death. He also irrationally joins the Sith for the sake of giving Carth a sidequest.

9. Naturally though, Carth has the opportunity to redeem his son.

10. Carth stereotypically sacrifices himself (cut dark side female ending).

11. If player is dark side, Carth feels irrationally [and unsurprisingly] guilty for "letting it happen" or not "seeing it coming".

12. If player is dark side, Carth gets to escape while the other light-sided party members drop like flies.

Etcetera.

Corinthian 02-07-2008 02:52 PM

Choose between the two? They're practically clones. Aside from the fact that Atton looks more ridiculous, and compensates for whining slightly less.

DeadYorick 02-07-2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TKA-001
7. When Saul is almost dead he has to be told not to "follow the dark side" (or whatever Bastila said) because he can only kill people the good way.

Revan and Bastila told Carth not to do anything he would regret later. Bastila didn't want Carth to kill Saul out of anger. Since almost all of us have seen a star wars related media where something like that happens

Sabretooth 02-07-2008 10:52 PM

I frankly didn't like either character. Carth and his whole trust issues, Atton's ****ing wise-ass attitude in *every* situation and question - and then the big revelation of his past made me despise him even more.

Why is there no Yoda!!! option? :mad:

adamqd 02-08-2008 04:09 AM

fist to the face or foot to the groin? I'd have to go with Carth, mainly because of how much I prefer the feel and story of the first game.

JediRevan 02-08-2008 10:27 PM

I prefer Carth over Atton because Carth is more rugged looking.

Carth Vader 02-09-2008 05:38 AM

I didn't get to vote before the poll closed, but I'd rather hang out with Carth. He has a kick ass voice, what can I say.. haha

cralexns 02-09-2008 07:21 AM

I could just about tolerate Carth even though I was quite happy when he ran away crying. Atton was just a major pain in the ass and useless to boot - so I went ahead and voted for Carth!

Meowster 02-09-2008 06:51 PM

I'm not entirely sure. The poll ended too soon for me, but even then it would be a tough decision.

Atton is well, I love his backstory, but after a few minutes, when you learn it, thats just it.

I guess I'll choose Carth; He can be pretty good with blasters, and his backstory was just a tad longer, plus his voice actor was REALLY good.

Arcesious 02-09-2008 08:23 PM

Carth was awesome.
Atton is a random guy with a pathetic backround of emotional problems...

KNeo 02-10-2008 08:24 PM

Carth owns and so does his voice. Atton was ok, but like most have already said, I liked KOTOR1 way better than 2.

It think most of it concerns with the game just being rushed. I think many more would have chosen Atton if the game had actually been completely finished. I believe (not positive on it ) that if the game had been finished all the way that Atton would have died. I'm sure it would have given his character a much bigger fan base.
It's the same sort of concept with final fantasy seven. In my belief if Aerith hadn't died that game probably wouldn't have been as well liked or loved. That scene was super epic though so it makes the game one of the best outta the series. Even though I don't myself like it that much.

But yeah same concept, Atton, if he would have died, probably would have gone on to be some epic hero and he'd be everyone's favorite.... or i'm crazy.. *shrug*

DeadYorick 02-10-2008 09:20 PM

I like Atton more since he was more comical and he seemed like more of a pilot then Carth did. Carth seemed more like a general or a foot soldier. Atton seemed like Han Solo. I loved how he would always hit on the Exile in some comical way. Plus he had a pretty good sith backstory and I loved how you could train him to be a jedi. Carth was good since he had morals but Atton was cool as the pilot of the Ebon Hawk.

Lucian Hawke 02-12-2008 03:19 AM

Carth Onasi - for the back-story and incredible voice acting (Raphael Sbarge). Carth, although fictional, really stood out (for me at least) above any other fictional companions. I actually felt like he was struggling to overcome his past and make amends. I often found myself thinking "Maybe Carth feels left out.. I should go back to the Ebon Hawk and see what he's up to.", where in other games, I couldn't give a rats ass.

Ben Bryddia 02-15-2008 02:16 AM

Carth is an icon. Pure and complicated right? Honestly, I'd prefer having him around to having Mr.Rand about, though Atton is a Jack-of-all-trades, which is useful in an RPG. I will state very simply that I'm not a very adventurous person, so hanging around with a former Sith assassin, fringe pilot, and Jedi Knight would not be my best idea of a good time. We all know how trouble, adventures, and other troublesome things gravitate to Jedi more fiercely than they do to Gandalf.

Of course, that could also be said of Mr. Onasi. However, Carth seems like the kind of chap I'd rather have around in a tight place than Atton. So long as it wasn't something that involved gambling.
As for the originality of the characters, I feel I should point out that Anakin and Luke are both highly unoriginal characters considering their 'mythic hero evolution'. I'm tired, farewell yee denizens of Lucasforums.

-Bearer ti ato Krijinia.

patient_zero 02-26-2008 11:08 AM

Though I did like Atton, he and rest of the KotOR II Crew felt a bit... hollow. In K1 your party says bits and pieces to you as you go, you have to wait and slowly tease pieces of background information out of them and it felt like you interacted with them a lot more. Getting to know them felt rewarding, and you really started to care about them.

In TSL I started to become slightly manic in my efforts at first, talking to Atton before every area change to see if he'd have a "Something is bothering Carth, maybe you should speak to him" moment. But he never did until you hit the right place and got his backstory trigger. It felt a bit more "Oh, Influence Success! I think I'll tell you my entire life story condensed into five minutes of dialogue" than "Well, I think I know you better now, I should tell you some more about myself".

...Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of TSL. So as good as I thought Atton could have been with his whole "Scoundrel" effort and his nice hair, my vote would go to the Carth Onasi, possibly the first game character whose romance quest I actually wanted to participate in for reasons other than quest exp.


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