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BrollytheMighty 01-09-2008 05:28 AM

Something I always found odd - SPOILERS
 
Well, I just finished the Leviathan for the millionth time and I've been thinking about something you see after you finish it. During the movie where the Ebon Hawk escapes the laser cannons begin firing on you and several Sith Fighter come after you. What I don't get is, WHO IS LEFT TO OPERATE THESE THINGS?!?!? You kill everyone on the Leviathan aside from Malak and Bastila and I know Malak couldn't operate all these items at once and surely Bastila wouldn't have already turned to the dark side, so that doesn't leave anybody to fire the turrets or fly the fighters.

Emperor Devon 01-09-2008 06:47 AM

Probably the troops in the areas you couldn't explore. The Leviathian is supposed to be about a mile long and house thousands of people after all - did you really think the bridge, interrogation room and mess of hallways you saw was all there was to such a large ship?

Jasper_Kazai 01-09-2008 07:23 AM

In Star Wars, capital ships are always described as needing almost a thousand crew members in order to maintain the ship. This is always hard for me to picture, but that's how it is.

BrollytheMighty 01-09-2008 02:31 PM

yeah, i guess i'm in the same boat as Jasper here. It's hard for me to picture so many troops on the ship. It's unfortunate you can't explore the entire ship, I would have to have taken all the troops out and force Malak to return to base to resupply his ship with troops.

darthcarth 01-09-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BrollytheMighty
Well, I just finished the Leviathan for the millionth time and I've been thinking about something you see after you finish it. During the movie where the Ebon Hawk escapes the laser cannons begin firing on you and several Sith Fighter come after you. What I don't get is, WHO IS LEFT TO OPERATE THESE THINGS?!?!? You kill everyone on the Leviathan aside from Malak and Bastila and I know Malak couldn't operate all these items at once and surely Bastila wouldn't have already turned to the dark side, so that doesn't leave anybody to fire the turrets or fly the fighters.

I always thought that malak was operating the turrent and of course their was left over crew to help chase you down.

Ctrl Alt Del 01-09-2008 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BrollytheMighty
yeah, i guess i'm in the same boat as Jasper here. It's hard for me to picture so many troops on the ship.

Ah, it's not that impossible, if you keep in mind that those capital ships are kilometers long and have many levels.

Inyri 01-09-2008 11:07 PM

Think of it this way -- you need people to man the turbolasers, pilots to man the ship's full complement of starfighters, engineers, navigations officers, communications officers, troopers en masse (imagine if you need to send a boarding party, or a detachment of troops down to a planet). If you have any ground-based vehicles they need pilots. Plus there's always people to man the mess hall. :p

If you really think about it, 1000 crew members is not hard to imagine at all. You just have to remember it's not 1000 random people, it's 1000 people who all have jobs. For instance an Imperial-class Star Destroyer's complement of TIE fighters was one wing. That's 6 squadrons -- 72 pilots right there. Say maybe 50 turbolasers, 20 ion cannons, and now we're up to about 150 personel. Then if you wanted enough stormtroopers for a standard garrison deployment that's about 800 men. We're almost at 1000 already, and we haven't even covered the real crew!

Corinthian 01-09-2008 11:16 PM

Not to mention maintaining the ship, feeding the crew, maintaining the starfighters, shipboard security...it's not all that surprising that Star Destroyers have crew in the tens of thousands.

Rev7 01-10-2008 01:25 AM

I agree with what all the others said. :)

Ben Bryddia 02-12-2008 12:16 AM

You all forget automated machinery and droids. Considering the fact that Malak would have had to find, recruit, and train all these potentially millions of chaps for his 'invincable armada'. Certainly, as Darth Bane: Path of Destruction points out, the Outer Rim is teeming with beings mad at the Republic for some reason or another. (usually, being exploited then left for dead like the Jabiimi were thousands of years later) But even the Empire in it's prime had a great deal of onboard systems run by mechanicles.

cralexns 02-12-2008 01:27 AM

You probably need several shifts too, so think two or three groups for each function :)

Totenkopf 02-12-2008 01:34 AM

Don't forget, an American supercarrier is only ~1100 feet long and has a crew of over 5000 people.

DarthVandar205 02-12-2008 04:44 AM

Besides on Taris you needed special codes to get past the turbolasers on the ships anyways. Since the ones the Ebon Hawk had were probably outdated by the time they got captured. The targeting systems couldve just selected you as an enemy and fired on you anyways without anyone at the controls. That could explain why most of the shots missed your ship. Those automated programs probably areint as good as a skilled gunner. That would explain why the ship could fire on you without having to worry if anyone was left alive to shoot at you or not.

Dan Loto 02-12-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by darthcarth
I always thought that malak was operating the turrent and of course their was left over crew to help chase you down.

Malak on the turret :lol: that would be a sight to see!

Arcesious 02-12-2008 08:34 PM

If, by chance, the entire crew was dead, the turbolasers cannons could still be run by an automated targetting system on the ship...

DarthJebus05 02-13-2008 09:42 AM

Another thing I found odd:

There were like 10 Sith in the room behind Carth and they never decided to check in on the escape pod room...

TKA-001 02-13-2008 03:28 PM

It's a good thing you can't explore the entire ship, because the idea of Revan killing the entire crew is freaking bogus.

Ben Bryddia 03-03-2008 11:47 PM

Ditto, dude. We all love Revan, but even if he had Exile, Ani and OBi, Luke, Jacen, Mara, Mace, and Yoda it would be a chore to kill the entire staff of a capitol ship. Escpecially if said crew still had control of all the ships systems and could easily vent in toxic wastes or done somthing else fiendishly destructive. This of course assumes the turrets weren't automated and people besides the gunnery crews were authorized to even touch those turret computers.

As for the ten Sith who didn't go after Carth, perhaps he had jammed or locked the blast door and they were waiting for heaveir equipment, renforcements, or the chap to hack the ship's mainfraim and open the door that way. Either that or they were discussing the gossip column in Being's Holozine.

-Bearer of the Krijinia.

PoiuyWired 03-04-2008 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Totenkopf
Don't forget, an American supercarrier is only ~1100 feet long and has a crew of over 5000 people.

Well, to be fair the tech on the starship is probably alot more advanced, requiring less seamen to operate. Plus the ~5000 would be when it is fully crewed.

If I remember right 1000 or so seems to be for the typical starship... and the one you are on is more like a capital ship, which means more seamen for everyone.

Plus, the playable area is just a small section on the ship. There are definitely lots of places not accessable to the character for playability sake. If the whole inside is accessable it would be like a small city... too much map reading to do, too many unnecessary details not related to the story, weeks worth of play time doing the stupidest things like trying to set mines in the washroom for the unsuspecting trooper, or or hiding in the female shower...

Sometimes gameplay > reality. That is also why you never see Bastila shower/fart during the whole trip.

Serpentine Cougar 03-04-2008 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PoiuyWired
Sometimes gameplay > reality. That is also why you never see Bastila shower/fart during the whole trip.

And none of the ships ever have bathrooms...

"Um, excuse me sir, Lord Malak, but where is the bathroom? I really need to go."

"We don't have one. Welcome to the Dark Side of the Force - muahahaha!"

Rev7 03-06-2008 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Serpentine
And none of the ships ever have bathrooms...

"Um, excuse me sir, Lord Malak, but where is the bathroom? I really need to go."

"We don't have one. Welcome to the Dark Side of the Force - muahahaha!"

Maybe there is no need for bathrooms in the Star Wars universe...how, I have no clue...

~Rev

Sithspecter 03-06-2008 06:22 PM

These aren't things that I've found odd, but they're problems in the game. In Dantooine, near where you have to do the murder trial thing, there's a poly missing from the base of the wall/cliff type thing. Also, there is a pillar in the Sith Base on Taris that they forgot to UVW unwrap.

Well, back to topic. I know why Czerka is failing on Tatooine. It's because they don't have any bathrooms and the workers have to pee and crap on the ore. That's why the ore corrodes do quick, it's got crap in it.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-07-2008 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sithspecter
These aren't things that I've found odd, but they're problems in the game. In Dantooine, near where you have to do the murder trial thing, there's a poly missing from the base of the wall/cliff type thing. Also, there is a pillar in the Sith Base on Taris that they forgot to UVW unwrap.

Sure, a game like KotOR reaches an state-of-art, near perfection.

NEAR perfection. It's a RPG game, it focus on details as much as it can, but you can't demand them to do everything like that.

Totenkopf 03-09-2008 03:07 AM

I think it's like continuity errors in movies. People either get a little sloppy or there's just sooo much stuff that some of it gets missed. Normal stupid human tricks.

Q 03-09-2008 05:10 AM

Don't forget that a ship like that needs to house an endless supply of red-shirts to replace those killed while escorting the captain on away missions. :xp:

Serpentine Cougar 03-09-2008 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev7
Maybe there is no need for bathrooms in the Star Wars universe...how, I have no clue...

Must be the force - I knew those midichlorians were good for something...

Ctrl Alt Del 03-09-2008 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Serpentine
Must be the force - I knew those midichlorians were good for something...

What does that means for non-Force sensitives?

PoiuyWired 03-09-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Serpentine
And none of the ships ever have bathrooms...

"Um, excuse me sir, Lord Malak, but where is the bathroom? I really need to go."

"We don't have one. Welcome to the Dark Side of the Force - muahahaha!"

Well... atleast on Ebon Hawk they have a ecological solution. Those gizkas have to eat SOMETHING, right?

*Don* 03-09-2008 08:54 PM

Actually, according to the Star Wars Encyclopedia, a small Imperial Class Star Destroyer needs a minimum of 5000 crew members.
An interdictor cruiser, like the Leviathan would need around 4000.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-09-2008 09:03 PM

Well, according to Star Wars - The Galactic Empire - Ships of the Fleet, by Bill Smith, the Kuat Drive Yards Imperial Star Destroyer requires a crew of 36.810, plus 275 gunners.

PoiuyWired 03-10-2008 09:53 AM

But the amount of skeleton crew(no pun) needed to operate the darn thing in minimal performance is much lower. Though I think the "most crew are gone fishing" approach would probably be right in this case.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-10-2008 12:38 PM

Yes, the skeleton crew required to make the thing work is, of course, much lower. But that low?

TKA-001 03-10-2008 02:11 PM

According to Wookiepedia the Leviathan is 600 meters long and an ISD is 1,600. I'm sure some math wizard somewhere could get an estimate with that information.

Corinthian 03-10-2008 03:55 PM

A lot of people. I'd say about 5000 crew, minimum. And that's an extremely conservative estimate. Or, in other words, there were still a lot of people on the Leviathan.

Q 03-10-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Corinthian
A lot of people. I'd say about 5000 crew, minimum. And that's an extremely conservative estimate. Or, in other words, there were still a lot of people on the Leviathan.

x10.;)

Ctrl Alt Del 03-10-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Qliveur

Lacks source, though.

TKA-001 03-10-2008 09:40 PM

It's got a source tag on practically every statement on there.

Q 03-10-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ctrl_Alt_Del
Lacks source, though.

Whatever.


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