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selty 05-09-2008 09:06 AM

If Revan & Exile were to appear in 3: Idea
 
There is a debate I have noticed on the if of Revan and The Exile returning from the Unknown Regions. If they do, what will they look like? So here is my idea:

I'm sure it's not that difficult to figure out. You would start off with a conversation about the two to determine whether they were male or female and if they were LS or DS. Then, the appearance. Having the game recognize a save game from older games has been done before...can't give you an example but I do think it is quite possible.

Or, if there is the chance we could play as all of them, then the answer would be obvious.

Any comments?

p.s sorry if this has been done beforehand :toilet1:

Gurges-Ahter 05-09-2008 09:22 AM

Yes basically we would only have 1 unknown for the game because either Revan or the Exile would be the PC, and you design how they look before you start.

As for the other, it wouldn't be too difficult to determine it from a conversation or maybe even a prompt to choose the face.

selty 05-09-2008 11:06 AM

Thankyou for the reply Gurges!

I never thought of a prompt, kind of like just before Revan/Exile appear, a character sheet comes up. Nice, me likey. It also gives new players an exciting thing for them, I suppose.

nine.roses 05-09-2008 11:26 AM

Good ideas. Maybe if refined a bit to be a bit more subtle, this character selection thing would work. Either that, or they can appear in masks: it worked for Revan and Canderous - why should it not work again in KOTOR III?

Gurges-Ahter 05-09-2008 11:28 AM

Yeah I'm all for subtlety as well, and a prompt screen isn't that subtle. However, I would prefer the crassness of a prompt screen over the masks. I wasn't a fan of that, although it accomplished the goal I suppose.

CK51 05-09-2008 11:45 AM

Revan and the Exile would have to have voiced text.

And I bet alot of people would be upset if the characters were given a voice that they didnt approve of.

Gurges-Ahter 05-09-2008 11:58 AM

That's true - I hadn't thought of that. And there would never be a voice that was deemed acceptable because most people just really like to complain and believe it should be how he or she sees it in his or her own mind.

So the character that isn't the PC has no voice, only text. I wonder how the writers would get around that and still keep the story cohesive... Maybe Revan and the Exile are on opposite ends of the galaxy and only communicate by blackberry... :)

Non-false Jedi 05-09-2008 12:13 PM

I've been doing some more thinking and perhaps its is just easier to have Exile be the PC. Revan did have a small role in KOTOR's voice acting but if included in KOTOR III, a slightly mechanized voice for them might go over relatively painlessly with fans.

Gurges-Ahter 05-09-2008 12:20 PM

I agree - it would definitely be easier - but I think Revan has a larger following than the Exile and many fans would be upset by the decision to keep the Exile as the PC.

However, if the game is well put together and has a great story, I think it will be ok either way. There will always be some fans that are pissed off and impossible to please.

nine.roses 05-09-2008 05:21 PM

I'm sure few would object to Rino Romano voicing Revan again. After all, his voice was used in the original game (I'm not sure who did female Revan).

I agree with you, Gurges. I think the developers should put more effort into making a good story than pleasing possessive fanboys. As long as the voice is fairly neutral, there won't be too much of an impact. Also, they might remove the face problem by having Revan wearing a mask or a large hood (as he was wont to do in his years as both Jedi and Dark Lord) and having the Exile either having an appearance that is either totally unrecogniseable (for example, by brutally scarring her or turning her into a proto-Nihilus) or by having her, as suggested, selected in a police-style photofit sequence...

TKA-001 05-09-2008 06:33 PM

I say just give them actual faces and be done with it. If Revan has no face, no lightsaber, and no appearance whatsoever, then there was no point in saying that he was light-sided or male, nor would there be any point in the player choosing what he or she did previously.

selty 05-09-2008 08:47 PM

Or, you could just have them make appearances, no VA needed. It's worked before.

Melly 05-09-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nine.roses
(I'm not sure who did female Revan).

Jennifer Hale. ;)

selty 05-09-2008 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melly
Jennifer Hale. ;)

Ahhh, the goddess of voice acting.

Ctrl Alt Del 05-09-2008 10:28 PM

It's easier to not show them at all.

Corinthian 05-10-2008 02:59 AM

It's easier not to make the game at all, for that matter.

JCarter426 05-10-2008 03:05 AM

Not nearly as fun, though.

Ctrl Alt Del 05-10-2008 08:05 AM

There was some ideas regarding this matter. Revan would show up traditionally masked and the Exile would appear with Nihilus' mask on. Why would they do that is beyond me.

TKA-001 05-10-2008 09:57 AM

I can understand the Revan mask thing, but not the Nihilus mask. I mean, how does that make sense? Besides, the Exile can't be wearing Revan's skull, so that's not an option.

Ctrl Alt Del 05-10-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TKA-001
I can understand the Revan mask thing, but not the Nihilus mask. I mean, how does that make sense? Besides, the Exile can't be wearing Revan's skull, so that's not an option.

For me, neither makes much sense.

Why would Revan want to be remembered of his past self that much? Wearing that robe again would be the best way to have that.

As for the Exile, that was an idea related to the speculation regarding him/her and Nihilus being the same person. Again, that would only make sense if he/she was set as darksided.

And onto the mask being Revan skull... that wasn't even implemented on the game. Wasn't it you that didn't consider cut-content as canon?

Gurges-Ahter 05-10-2008 11:51 AM

Yeah, Nihilus Mask being Revan's skull was an idea that didn't make it into the game, and Kreia's dialog describing Revan's venture outside of the galaxy did, so I think it's safe to believe Revan is still alive.

I don't really mind the mask idea for both of them so much, but it would only really be necessary for one since one of them would be the PC, right?

Ctrl Alt Del 05-10-2008 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurges-Ahter
I don't really mind the mask idea for both of them so much, but it would only really be necessary for one since one of them would be the PC, right?

Not necessarily the PC, but even showing him/herself on the game.

TKA-001 05-10-2008 08:16 PM

Yeah, I knew the Revan's skull thing was cut, but I just threw that in there anyway. I don't know why.

kotorfan84 05-15-2008 04:45 AM

This will probably be unpopular, but I think both players should die and be martyrs.

Realizing the dark side isn't the way to save the galaxy, Revan goes off into the unkown regions to face the true sith alone. He gets killed and that's when T3-M4 finds the exile. She attempts to finish Revan's mission and destroy the true sith one and for all (last remaing members of the sith species and their followers), but she too meets her end (Between the exile and Revan the wiped out all but one, the last member of the sith species).

Salzella 05-15-2008 06:11 AM

Perhaps you're an ex-mando wars veteran, recruited (via some plot point, haven't figured out the details. This is all purely hypothetical, i.e. winging it) to search for them/destroy them (depending on DS/LS choices taken early on), and as someone who has seen them both you, perhaps via some sort of selection screen in the form of a database or something, inform your superiors (whoever they may be) what they look like, thus creating a situation where you do in fact choose their appearance/alignment, whilst still being rather more subtle (if only slightly) than shoving an erroneous character selection screen in your face.

Possibly?

edit: Just saw the posts about voice acting.... I'd say you can't go wrong with Rino Romano/Jennifer Hale as already done for Revan, and just rope in someone like Kelly Hu for female exile (Because I love her voice :xp: ) and someone reasonable popular for the male, because I think it doesn't really matter how they sound as long as its done well...

Woo, this i the longest post i've made in months. :xp:

DAWUSS 05-15-2008 12:56 PM

I don't think there would be much dialog between the two. I have a feeling that their reunion might not be a happy one. And IYRC, the vision of Revan on Korriban involved a lightsaber duel.

Gurges-Ahter 05-15-2008 01:01 PM

The vision of Revan on Korriban was how the Exile remembered Revan from his past - as Dark Lord of the Sith. If the canonical ending is used, Revan turned back to the LS before leaving the known galaxy to fight the True Sith. So I don't think he'd attack the exile unless provoked.

And I would think the Exile has a newfound respect for Revan after learning of his quest to fight the True Sith from Kreia, so she'd have no reason to attack either (unless provoked).

This could all be changed though if the game allows you to choose whether Revan and the Exile are DS or LS based on K1 and K2.

Non-false Jedi 05-15-2008 01:46 PM

Even if they were both darkside I don't think they would attack each other randomly.

DAWUSS 05-15-2008 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurges-Ahter
The vision of Revan on Korriban was how the Exile remembered Revan from his past - as Dark Lord of the Sith. If the canonical ending is used, Revan turned back to the LS before leaving the known galaxy to fight the True Sith. So I don't think he'd attack the exile unless provoked.

And I would think the Exile has a newfound respect for Revan after learning of his quest to fight the True Sith from Kreia, so she'd have no reason to attack either (unless provoked).

This could all be changed though if the game allows you to choose whether Revan and the Exile are DS or LS based on K1 and K2.

Well let's see: Revan made her the sacrificial lamb; she was recruited by Malak, as opposed to Revan (though it may not hold much merit, considering Malak wanted her dead later and Revan couldn't be everywhere); the Exile was the only (known?) Jedi who didn't take up in Revan's war against the Republic following the Mando Wars...


But most importantly, Revan went through great pains covering his tracks in an attempt to have no one find him. Not his lover Bastila, not his loyal soldiers Carth and Canderous, not HK-47. I think voicelocking the nav comp and selectively deleting HK-47's memory (I say selectively because he does reveal quite a bit to the Exile). It wasn't Revan who sent T3-M4 to find some sort of help, either.


And also, one thing to keep in mind is that the Revan currently in the Unknown Regions isn't necessarily the former Republic soldier who became a Jedi (in OOU terms, Revan in K2 isn't necessarily Revan at the end of K1). Now I'm not saying that Revan may have returned to the dark side, but he most likely will be somewhat different than what most people will expect.

Also, how important did Revan consider the Exile to be?

TKA-001 05-15-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

This will probably be unpopular, but I think both players should die and be martyrs.

Realizing the dark side isn't the way to save the galaxy, Revan goes off into the unkown regions to face the true sith alone. He gets killed and that's when T3-M4 finds the exile. She attempts to finish Revan's mission and destroy the true sith one and for all (last remaing members of the sith species and their followers), but she too meets her end (Between the exile and Revan the wiped out all but one, the last member of the sith species)
That's actually a great idea. It makes much more sense for something like that to happen than them both surviving.

Non-false Jedi 05-16-2008 09:14 AM

I don't think that woul go over well. I think it woul make the first too games feel pointless if the main characters are both already dead by the start of the third game.

TKA-001 05-16-2008 10:14 AM

They have to die someday.

Non-false Jedi 05-16-2008 03:11 PM

Obviously, but not before the game begins. If you realled wanted them dead, I think a good option would be to have them possibly die in some type of way at the end of the game.

whatthehell 05-16-2008 03:33 PM

beginning of kotor 3
 
To figure out the genders, faces, and (for the exile) names:

Revan: maybe during a conversation between two future party members, one might say that revan turned evil (again) and you will have the option of running around as revan in updated robes with his traditional mask.

as for the exile, you could be a sort of security guy logging info into a computer and you have to choose all his info such as gender, face, and name.

(if someone already said this, im sorry. i didnt read every post lol)

nine.roses 05-16-2008 03:52 PM

Well, I suppose an in-game computer terminal would be the easiest way, yes. :D

whatthehell 05-16-2008 03:55 PM

yea. easiest for maybe a jedi at coresant logging infor on the exile as he left his trial.

im not sure about Revan though...

TKA-001 05-16-2008 04:08 PM

What about a door you have to get through, and the console is on that door, and it asks you to describe Revan/Exile? The door then opens once you pick the "right" answers.

whatthehell 05-16-2008 04:23 PM

i guess the only way we'll know is if/when KotOR 3 is released

Gurges-Ahter 05-18-2008 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKA-001
What about a door you have to get through, and the console is on that door, and it asks you to describe Revan/Exile? The door then opens once you pick the "right" answers.

That's a good idea, actually.

kotorfan84 05-19-2008 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Non-false Jedi
I don't think that woul go over well. I think it woul make the first too games feel pointless if the main characters are both already dead by the start of the third game.

Why would the first 2 games be pointless? Revan destroys the star forge and the exile finds the "lost jedi."


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