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Jedil3thal 06-05-2008 08:14 PM

Do you think Luke and Princess Leia should have been brother and sister?
 
:holosid:Do you think Luke and Princess Leia should have been brother and sister or Lovers?








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Pho3nix 06-05-2008 08:26 PM

...But they are.

:|

Jedil3thal 06-05-2008 08:27 PM

I know that but do you think they should have

M@RS 06-05-2008 08:55 PM

Yes, it all fits, and it makes sense too...

Jedil3thal 06-05-2008 09:28 PM

I see

Rev7 06-05-2008 09:55 PM

Brother & Sister for sure. That is the way it is and the way it will be. ;)

Jedil3thal 06-05-2008 09:59 PM

Good choice :D

Jedil3thal 06-06-2008 02:29 PM

I always thought they should have been lovers it would make a good ending for the movie as well.

Ctrl Alt Del 06-06-2008 02:32 PM

Am I right to assume some of this thread purpose derivate from the kissing scene at TESB?

Gurges-Ahter 06-06-2008 03:24 PM

Han and Leia are much more dynamic and interesting as far as a romance story goes... it would have been contrived if it were Luke instead.

Jedil3thal 06-06-2008 03:43 PM

Well that is true:D

PoiuyWired 06-06-2008 10:02 PM

Han is 686983469 times cooler.
But year, it would have been icky if the kissing scene goes further than just kissing... eck >.<

Serpentine Cougar 06-07-2008 12:23 AM

Yes, thankfully there's no real incest....

Rev7 06-07-2008 10:31 PM

^^
You just have to go and say that?!

Relenzo2 06-08-2008 07:38 PM

Aye Charana... *eats popcorn*
To quote from Star Wars: Another Flash Parody.
*in death star scene with Vader and Luke*
Vader: I am your father!
Luke: No!
Leie: Luke! I'm pregnant with your child!
Luke: No!
Leia: And I'm your sister!
Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo....
Definately should be the way it is. Brother/sister=yes

M@RS 06-08-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Serpentine (Post 2474331)
Yes, thankfully there's no real incest....

I feel bad for Leia when she found out about the brother sister thing, she probably threw up, and said "Did I actually kiss you? In front of Han too!"

Yeck, that's nasty I bet Mark Hamil enjoyed that scene though :lol:

Serpentine Cougar 06-08-2008 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev7 (Post 2474707)
^^
You just have to go and say that?!

Why not? I am thankful...

M@RS 06-08-2008 11:55 PM

so am I! :lol:

Astor 06-09-2008 05:36 AM

Although the EU has little bearing on it, if they were lovers instead of brother/sister, we wouldn't have had Luke and Mara, or Han and Leia, and, by extension, Ben Skywalker and the Solo children (alright, one of them we could do without. You know who you are!)

M@RS 06-09-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Astor_Kaine (Post 2475200)
Although the EU has little bearing on it, if they were lovers instead of brother/sister, we wouldn't have had Luke and Mara, or Han and Leia, and, by extension, Ben Skywalker and the Solo children (alright, one of them we could do without. You know who you are!)

Agreed, it ruins the rest of the EU

PoiuyWired 06-10-2008 01:32 PM

Well, technically Luke grew up as a flicking redneck... Oh wait. What am I saying...

As for Han, well, it would be interesting to see a Han x mara Jade love affair, though I doubt it would last.

Lord Foley 06-16-2008 11:16 PM

If Han and Mara had ended up together, one of them would have been dead, and it wouldn't have been Mara.

Rev7 06-17-2008 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Serpentine (Post 2475107)
Why not? I am thankful...

I was talking about the post before yours, hence the "^^" ;) :)

PoiuyWired 06-17-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Foley (Post 2479361)
If Han and Mara had ended up together, one of them would have been dead, and it wouldn't have been Mara.

We we wouldn't know whould we. Plus, there is always the chance our beloved walking carpet would still be around.

starwarzchick112 08-10-2012 06:32 PM

Yes.

Lord B@nE 12-02-2013 01:32 PM

if they reproduced could you just imagine the kids lea and Luke would bear. the midiclorians would make their offspring with 5 arms a new breed of jedi probably.

HED 02-18-2014 04:47 PM

I think Luke and Leia being siblings was a good way to end any notion of them being paired up romantically, which would have been a bore but something that would have gained some support anyways (shipping being what it is). It does feel a little contrived in RotJ but I can't really imagine it any other way.

ShapeIt 06-06-2014 07:11 AM

Yes, they really should. It fits the story and it makes it more original. There are enough films with this main-heroes-fall-in-love-thing out there:) Also, Solo is really cool!

Kurgan 06-18-2014 09:20 PM

I think no. If it had been planned from the start that would have been fine and if it was reflected in the movies, that'd be great. Instead, it seems like a slapped together plot device to clumsily resolve the "love triangle" between Luke, Leia and Han Solo. From the start it was made that both Luke and Han were attracted to Leia but that she was more attracted to Luke, because he was a nice guy. I have no problem with the idea of Luke going the celibate Jedi route and Han Solo ending up as her man. It's the way it was done that was shabbily put together IMHO.

Now this is not something I wondered or worried about as a kid, because I remembered seeing ROTJ first (and it's still my hands down favorite of the series), and I didn't even see ESB until years later. It was the movie I had seen the least of the three in fact, so it was not fresh in my mind. So I started out with the idea of Luke and Leia as brother and sister (before this I presumed they were just good friends not people who were attracted to one another).

Now that it's clear Lucas didn't really have it all planned out in advance, I feel vindicated in disliking how it all turned out. The "cringes" when people watch the ESB scene of Luke and Leia kissing and somebody says "ignorance is bliss!" in the audience, that's all Lucas's fault (and not Kershner's or Kurtz's... because after all, Lucas could have overridden any of their ideas and won easily enough). "Always intended" is just a rationalization that we've seen time and again. There's even a quote somewhere of Lucas saying that "kisses represent sex" in the Star Wars movies in response to someone asking him why there wasn't any of that sort of thing in the series so far (predictably, a quote made before ROTJ existed). Shortsighted and embarrassing to hear now!

So now we're "stuck" with them being fraternal siblings rather than just a guy and a gal who met under fortuitous circumstances and had a bit of a thing before they went their separate ways (played by actors eight years apart in age).

I don't think it really "enhances" the story to have everyone related to everyone else as if it's a small town rather than a whole galaxy, but Lucas seems to have disagreed and gone that route over the years. So now in the mythos Anakin built C3PO, R2D2 worked closely with him and Obi-Wan and was his wife's personal droid, Anakin was raised in the same home as Luke, Chewbacca and Yoda were wartime buddies, Boba Fett's dad was the template for the stormtroopers, and so on. Lucas now prides himself on how the original trilogy is recreated in the prequels almost taking a hint from James Cameron. Makes me wonder what will happen with the new series.

So anyway, I think if you're going to create a story and then create a love triangle, resolving it through a plot device like this is just lazy. Don't create the false tension in the first place if you're just going to hand wave it away with something goofy like this. Anybody see "Frozen"? Maybe I'm not the target demographic for that movie, but it had a similar type of nonsense resolution for a love triangle (turn one of the guys into a villain out of nowhere). But at least that was in the course of one self-contained movie, rather than a trilogy like this.

There are ways that the love triangle could have been resolved without something like this. You don't have to kill off a character (as was rumored to be Harrison Ford's wish at one point). Nor do you have to turn one of them evil or something. They don't have to fight a duel to see who wins. Nobody has to have their gonads blown off in a battle. A prince doesn't need to show up and Leia has to marry him for political reasons. Nobody needs to turn out to be gay. Nothing to do with clones, droids or time travel.

No, a simple solution was already proposed within ROTJ itself. "You love him, don't you? I understand. Fine. When he comes back.. I won't get in the way." One character decides that his love is so great for the other, he's willing to let her go for the guy she really wants. It's bitter-sweet but it works and that sort of thing happens in real life. So it could have worked out differently. We only accept it now because Lucas said so and the passage of time. I love ROTJ but even I can admit it has flaws. Lucas took a big risk with the "father" thing and rewriting the Vader character in the second movie, but that paid off, unfortunately this did not. ROTJ was there to tie up loose ends but it didn't do so in a satisfactory way here.

duster 06-19-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ShapeIt (Post 2849380)
Yes, they really should. It fits the story and it makes it more original. There are enough films with this main-heroes-fall-in-love-thing out there:) Also, Solo is really cool!

Agree.Normally in movies it can be predicted when one boy likes another girl and in the end they will either get together or one of them will die or something tragic can happen but with the Original Trilogy it's not the same and it has been done carefully and with finesse. ^^

GrandMasterMarek 06-27-2014 12:18 PM

Im glad Luke & Leia were brother & sister it would not worked with Han in the picture it kinda makes me sick to think otherwise could you imagine... ok back to this Luke & Mara were a good fit because they both had a strange start to their lives with Mara being taken from her parents from a young age & Luke raised as a farm boy while his father runs rampant through the galaxy & his mother dead Mara & Lando would never have worked anyway Leia & Han's chemistery suited the story despite him kidnapping her then her marrying him that kiss on the millenium falcon by far better than the one on Hoth as of Leia making Han jealous I think George Lucas go it right. I doubt there will be much love in EP7 I hope Han & Leia have been practising the kissing scene hahahaha

Kurgan 06-27-2014 05:35 PM

But keep in mind the Mara Jade character didn't even exist until the 1990's when Timothy Zahn wrote his spin-off novels. Sure, you could just introduce any new character to be the love interest for either man, if you just wanted all three of them to "have someone." Heck the EU set up other love interests for the characters after the movies, it just so happens that this one was chosen to be Luke's. There are plenty of ways to do that. This is just what happens when you have only one major female character and set her up with two male leads over two movies, then rush to wrap it up in the third.

GrandMasterMarek 06-28-2014 11:55 AM

Well I doubt Luke & Leia would have lasted had they not been related so hats off to Timothy Zahn

Kurgan 07-11-2014 07:48 AM

Well, we're talking about a fictional relationship, so it could have been written to work (or if you meant the characters living or dying, same deal). How many thought Han and Leia would "last"? Anything is possible. Maybe on the surface it's a choice between the flirty badboy and the charming niceguy with the princess, but all it takes is to write in the development of their relationship throughout the trilogy in a different way than was done. Then again, they could have had it "not work" too, but the general "movie happy ending" is that two lovers have to have it "work" in the end. Relationships can go any direction when you have a long-drawn out storyline (as in a series, the EU, etc). Then again too much of that sort of thing and you turn into a soap opera. ;p

GrandMasterMarek 07-11-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurgan (Post 2851515)
Well, we're talking about a fictional relationship, so it could have been written to work (or if you meant the characters living or dying, same deal). How many thought Han and Leia would "last"? Anything is possible. Maybe on the surface it's a choice between the flirty badboy and the charming niceguy with the princess, but all it takes is to write in the development of their relationship throughout the trilogy in a different way than was done. Then again, they could have had it "not work" too, but the general "movie happy ending" is that two lovers have to have it "work" in the end. Relationships can go any direction when you have a long-drawn out storyline (as in a series, the EU, etc). Then again too much of that sort of thing and you turn into a soap opera. ;p

Well there relationship never changed when they got married was fighting she matured when she had three kids sadily Jaina only lived to see it, Han's fall came when Chewie died it split the family for a short time, Luke & Mara had to step in a few times thats what family was for I wonder chapter of their lives will they reveal in ep7.


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