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fastfed 08-21-2008 07:54 PM

Seriously.. No one is disappointed with this game??
 
I finally broke down and got another year gold membership, I figured I could start playing COD 4 and some other games again..

I am really disappointed with this game... I understand the market is not for more of a simulated audience but still..

I guess I am just to used to Academy and Knight, but this game is just way to arcade-y

Its basically fable, God of War and conan with a light saber. I am a big fan of star Wars and even a bigger when it comes to the games. I was obviously expecting much more and was horribly let down.

I just don't understand how you all could be loving it this much.. Its not a jedi character at all.. The light saber should be just that, a light saber, not a sword that glows. 1 slash and it should cut the person in half, not "injure" them.

I know I am not alone on some other fan sites as many are like myself and were hoping for more than just an arcade game with health meters over head the enemies..

really sucks :(

fastfed 08-21-2008 07:56 PM

Wow.. I just realized I sound like a big hater :)

Sorry, I know many love it.. I am just really bumed :(

Jacob Nion 08-21-2008 08:02 PM

I thought it was awsome. The idea behind this is to unleash your darkside force powers more then you are to use your lightsaber. Your lightsaber is there for close combat. And you are a jedi but a jedi on the darkside of the force. The whole idea behind this is to learn and unleash your force powers. And that is why the game is called The Force Unleashed. Don't feel bummed man. When the offical game comes out give it another try and see what you think.

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 08:11 PM

Again, no one should have expected this to be realistic in any Star Wars-y way.

Jacob Nion 08-21-2008 08:15 PM

I agree

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 08:23 PM

Couldn't everyone tell from the trailers and videos that this game was going to be arcade-like?

fastfed 08-21-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Man_2423 (Post 2513784)
Couldn't everyone tell from the trailers and videos that this game was going to be arcade-like?



I know.. I was just hoping to feel more like a Jedi(type)

I hate to hate again.. But the graphics pretty much suck!

I think the game will get a 7.5-8.0 at best.

Jacob Nion 08-21-2008 08:26 PM

Heck I can't wait for the full game.

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2513786)
I know.. I was just hoping to feel more like a Jedi(type)

I felt very much like a Jedi. I kicked everyone's butts.

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I hate to hate again.. But the graphics pretty much suck!
Opinion, but graphics aren't everything, and there enough to allow you to play the game without being eyesores.

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I think the game will get a 7.5-8.0 at best.
I wouldn't base a score off a demo alone. We know nothing about the rest of the game.

realityuk 08-21-2008 08:47 PM

edit: original post turned into a rant and no one hear wants to hear that. Basically, all I have to say about this game is... after games like Outcast, Academy, and the rest of the jedi knight series, which offered amazing SP's, and also, some of the best MP in terms of gameplay, cummunity/maps/skins/ etc... this demo was embarrassing, i'm fed up of games trading gameplay for graphics, which is exactly what this is.

Maybe this game is for you, and Academy, outcast were not, but my god I wanted to cry playing this demo.

edit: about trading graphics for gameplay, thinking about it, the DEMO isn't exactly visually spectacular.

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by realityuk (Post 2513800)
edit: original post turned into a rant and no one hear wants to hear that. Basically, all I have to say about this game is... after games like Outcast, Academy, and the rest of the jedi knight series, which offered amazing SP's, and also, some of the best MP in terms of gameplay, cummunity/maps/skins/ etc... this demo was embarrassing, i'm fed up of games trading gameplay for graphics, which is exactly what this is.

Maybe this game is for you, and Academy, outcast were not, but my god I wanted to cry playing this demo.

edit: about trading graphics for gameplay, thinking about it, the DEMO isn't exactly visually spectacular.

Do you mind explaining what you didn't like about the game?

realityuk 08-21-2008 09:06 PM

Well, if you insist.

It seems very much linear, the graphics arn't as good as expected, even for a demo.

The camera is awful.

You can't block whilst moving = -.-

The force powers are not even remotely as good as In academy / outcast. This is a tricky one as I know due to buttons on 360 ps3 controllers, but I mean, Right trigger as choke? what? i'm sorry? who thought that was a good idea. Right trigger should be swing saber, left stick to move forward back strafe... right to turn, at least in saber combat.

Granted that idea completly changes the way the game would be played but the saber really doesn't feel like a saber in this game. I mean, you have no control over it only some lame combo's which obviously get more powerful and complex, but still not enough depth for the fun to outweigh the repetitiveness of them by the end.

Even though this game wasn't intended to be anything like the jedi knight series, I think the majorly poor close quarter combat was a bad bad idea, especially when the force powers in those games was far better as well.

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 09:22 PM

While I'm not going to argue your points, I'm sorry you found the experience unenjoyable. I think once people realize that The Force Unleashed is a different realm than the Jedi Knight games, they will like it more, or at least understand why it does things the way it does.

fastfed 08-21-2008 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by realityuk (Post 2513813)
Well, if you insist.

It seems very much linear, the graphics arn't as good as expected, even for a demo.

The camera is awful.

You can't block whilst moving = -.-

The force powers are not even remotely as good as In academy / outcast. This is a tricky one as I know due to buttons on 360 ps3 controllers, but I mean, Right trigger as choke? what? i'm sorry? who thought that was a good idea. Right trigger should be swing saber, left stick to move forward back strafe... right to turn, at least in saber combat.

Granted that idea completly changes the way the game would be played but the saber really doesn't feel like a saber in this game. I mean, you have no control over it only some lame combo's which obviously get more powerful and complex, but still not enough depth for the fun to outweigh the repetitiveness of them by the end.

Even though this game wasn't intended to be anything like the jedi knight series, I think the majorly poor close quarter combat was a bad bad idea, especially when the force powers in those games was far better as well.

Its sad that most of us expected a little different of a game.. But the buzz going around, even the people that expecting this game to be what it is, thinks its a horrible let down.

I just went to game stop to get battlefront 2 for the 360 ( want to lay and play :) )

the geeks in there were all ranting about horrible the game is and they all expecting it to be like an arcade..

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2513829)
Its sad that most of us expected a little different of a game.. But the buzz going around, even the people that expecting this game to be what it is, thinks its a horrible let down.

From what's been said, it sounds like you guys were expecting a completely different game, not little.

The game is a lot of fun in my opinion, if you stop thinking it's going to be like Jedi Knight. I guess you guys will be saving some money come mid-September.

realityuk 08-21-2008 09:39 PM

Why steer away from good gameplay though that's what I want to know. Same graphics/story, characters, everything, but kept the main gameplay ideas from old Jedi Knight games. No one wants to play a game which makes you use force more than lightsaber... do they?! Bit boring if you ask me.

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 09:40 PM

The game is called "The Force Unleashed", that is the point of using the Force more than the lightsaber.

fastfed 08-21-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Man_2423 (Post 2513838)
The game is called "The Force Unleashed", that is the point of using the Force more than the lightsaber.



Just because a game is called something doesn't mean they need to take it literary, lol

TKA-001 08-21-2008 10:25 PM

I don't usually bother with demos unless I decide to get a demo, which is not often (unless I want to). Since I refuse to play any version of this game other than the PS3 or 360, pretty much the only thing about this game that I expect to be able to form an opinion about in the near future is the story.

Da_Man_2423 08-21-2008 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2513859)
Just because a game is called something doesn't mean they need to take it literary, lol

No, they do in this case. I've watched all the behind the scenes videos and stuff, and all they talk about is "kicking a** with the Force". They don't even mention lightsabers.

Boba Rhett 08-21-2008 11:15 PM

Then they shouldn't taunt us with the prospect of using a lightsaber at all. :xp:

Da_man 08-22-2008 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2513772)
I am really disappointed with this game... I understand the market is not for more of a simulated audience but still..

I guess I am just to used to Academy and Knight, but this game is just way to arcade-y

Its basically fable, God of War and conan with a light saber. I am a big fan of star Wars and even a bigger when it comes to the games. I was obviously expecting much more and was horribly let down.

I just don't understand how you all could be loving it this much.. Its not a jedi character at all.. The light saber should be just that, a light saber, not a sword that glows. 1 slash and it should cut the person in half, not "injure" them.

I know I am not alone on some other fan sites as many are like myself and were hoping for more than just an arcade game with health meters over head the enemies..

really sucks :(

Explain how a guy that can toss things around with the Force and has a lightsaber. A force user and the lightsaber is as much as being Star Wars-y as it gets. It is a littl arcade-y and the graphics are a little on the bad side, but it is a DEMO! They are going to put the best graphics they can into a demo because it would take forever to download it. It took about 25 minutes to download one half of a level.

And how do the graphics suck? There a lot better than most of the crap I've seen. What are you guys comparing it to?

And the reason you can't kill a guy with one swipe of your 'saber is for balancing reasons. If all the stormies and AT-STs were one hit kills, you'd be complaining about how easy the game is. That is why in most non-arcade-y Star Wars games, you don't use a ightsaber, because it wouldn't be realistsic in the Star Wars sense.

Rogue15 08-22-2008 01:08 AM

hey at least it's not legos unleashed

Commander Obi-Wan 08-22-2008 04:37 AM

The game is focused on the force, not on lightsaber combat. Therefore, I'm not expecting there to be a big part in lightsaber combat. And really, I don't have a problem with it.

Personally, after playing the demo, I want the game even more than I did before. I still feel the atmospheric feeling of Star Wars when playing it.

Titanius Anglesmith 08-22-2008 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander Obi-Wan (Post 2513975)
Personally, after playing the demo, I want the game even more than I did before.

Same here. To be honest, I really wasn't excited about this game at all until I got a PS3, then I started looking into it. It definitely sounded pretty damn fun, and now after playing it, I can tell I'll definitely be getting my money's worth.

Ztalker 08-22-2008 04:44 AM

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Seriously.. No one is disappointed with this game??
The game's supposed to be sort of an episode 3.5.
I didn't hear people shout "Zomg, respawn, Anikon!" when Episode 3 aired and Anakin kot bashed at Mustafar. The game is supposed to be all about the feel, not about the multi-player goodness. It would be a damn shame to walk across Kashyyyks brilliant atmospheric forests and hear 'DOUBLE KILL' when you slice up another Wookiee.

This is not Jedi Knight. It's a completely new IP. It's not aimed for multi player fun or Gears of War coolness. No, it's a new episode of Star Wars, accept it the way it us, since it's a completely new idea. :)

PS: I think it's closer to Kotor then Jedi Knight. Kotor was all about the 'feel' too. I didn't hear people complain when you'd see the same melee/force anmination for the 126.147.856th time.

adamqd 08-22-2008 04:50 AM

For the Record, your not gonna feel like a Jedi when you play, because your an unofficial Sith, And we've been continually told this game is about using the force for 2 years it's not news, we've seen far more from trailer's than we got to do in the demo, so I don't know why people are surprised, I've known since announcement that this is an over the top force imbued button masher, and I like it, the only mention of the Jedi Knight series is from fans who wrongly assumed this was the next step in that series.

I loved the Demo and I'm gonna love the full game.

Astor 08-22-2008 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2513772)
Its not a jedi character at all..

As adam says, you can't be a Jedi if your Vader's apprentice, so I don't see what you're going for there.

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Originally Posted by realityuk
after games like Academy, and the rest of the jedi knight series, which offered amazing SP's,

Boo. Shame on you. Academy's SP is so bad it couldn't lick the dirt of off TFU's boots. If anything, that's the most 'arcadey' Star Wars game around with Jedi in it.

Aku 08-22-2008 08:04 AM

Have all Jedi Outcast/Academy players forgotten that both games didn't actually allow you to use the saberrealisticcombat commands by default?
You had to modify the experience the developers intended for the players to actually get dismemberment and this realistic saber combat.
Seriously, has everyone forgotten that? It's starting to sound pretty ridiculous with everyone complaining about how saber combat should be more realistic when the games they keep pointing at didn't actually make it realistic <.<

(Do note, I love JO and JA because those commands exist, but that doesn't change the fact that they were set to 0 in the released version)


Btw, you should try out any console hack and slash game. The controls here follow the standard template that game devs realized work well for this kind of game a long time ago.

People need to remember that JO/JA are first person shooters with a third person camera angle and lightsabers, not anything similar to a regular third person hack and slash game ^^

Jacob Nion 08-22-2008 10:52 AM

Remeber guys this is a demo. The full game will have much more and it will be more exciting. Here is what Lucasarts said about the demo.

The demo will feature the SPECIAL VERSION of the Tie Fighter Construction Facility level.

It will also feature very special powers and a special ending THAT WILL NOT BE FEATURED IN THE FULL GAME..

So the Tie Fighter Construction Faclility that we played on the demo is going to be completey different from the game. They built that just for the demo use only.

Aku 08-22-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob Nion (Post 2514062)
Remeber guys this is a demo. The full game will have much more and it will be more exciting. Here is what Lucasarts said about the demo.

The demo will feature the SPECIAL VERSION of the Tie Fighter Construction Facility level.

It will also feature very special powers and a special ending THAT WILL NOT BE FEATURED IN THE FULL GAME..

So the Tie Fighter Construction Faclility that we played on the demo is going to be completey different from the game. They built that just for the demo use only.

Oh, I thought they just gave us a quarter or a third of the level ^^

It did seem a bit odd though. Nothing in the demo level fit into what the novel says about his mission. A LOT more corridor running and a lot less hangar-clearing...Plus his ship actually stayed in the hangar.

It's going to be interesting to see how different the game and the novel will be in that aspect. I hope it's not too different, because then I'm going to LOVE Raxus Prime xD

Jacob Nion 08-22-2008 11:18 AM

Also not only will the Tie Fighter Construction Facility be different but were you fight the AT-ST that will not be there either in the actual game. So like I was saying the demo will be completly different from the demo. And that is why I think alot of people who have played the demo were dissipointed because they were expecting more. But when the game officaly comes out on September 16th there will be alot more to do and nothing will be the same. But I have ot read the novel yet but I bet it will be right on with the game it self.

fastfed 08-22-2008 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aku (Post 2514025)
Have all Jedi Outcast/Academy players forgotten that both games didn't actually allow you to use the saberrealisticcombat commands by default?
You had to modify the experience the developers intended for the players to actually get dismemberment and this realistic saber combat.
Seriously, has everyone forgotten that? It's starting to sound pretty ridiculous with everyone complaining about how saber combat should be more realistic when the games they keep pointing at didn't actually make it realistic <.<

(Do note, I love JO and JA because those commands exist, but that doesn't change the fact that they were set to 0 in the released version)


Btw, you should try out any console hack and slash game. The controls here follow the standard template that game devs realized work well for this kind of game a long time ago.

People need to remember that JO/JA are first person shooters with a third person camera angle and lightsabers, not anything similar to a regular third person hack and slash game ^^


Sorry but you ARE DEAD WRONG! and must not have played the game in a while.. I have it installed on my computer right now. I just installed both of them about a month ago.. Beat them both already.

No upgrades or patches or anything.

Arms and legs come right off.. Oh yea.. ONE swipe and their dead.. Well obviously..


Guys, I am not trying to convince anyone that this game sucks or is going to.
After all, Many people Hate Silent Hunter 4, but I love it..

Enjoy it for what it is.. But I already played Ninja Gaiden and Conan

Astor 08-22-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2514084)
Arms and legs come right off.. Oh yea.. ONE swipe and their dead.. Well obviously..

Only in JK2. In JKA, you're lucky to even take an arm off.

Nice to see another SH player around.

Aku 08-22-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2514084)
Sorry but you ARE DEAD WRONG! and must not have played the game in a while.. I have it installed on my computer right now. I just installed both of them about a month ago.. Beat them both already.

No upgrades or patches or anything.

Arms and legs come right off.. Oh yea.. ONE swipe and their dead.. Well obviously..


Guys, I am not trying to convince anyone that this game sucks or is going to.
After all, Many people Hate Silent Hunter 4, but I love it..

Enjoy it for what it is.. But I already played Ninja Gaiden and Conan

I'm 100% certain that the games do NOT kill everybody with one hit and chop their limbs off. YOU are dead wrong.
In Jedi Academy, there was an option to enable dismemberment, but this happens rarely.
In Jedi Outcast, there was no such option and the command was disabled.

I play both games multiple times every week (daily during the last two weeks)

What MIGHT have happened is that you had a script file left from previous installations or a modified shortcut to the game left from previous installations.
There's no way what you're saying happened without using the console commands or having a script that uses them for you. Of that I am completely certain.

fastfed 08-22-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aku (Post 2514103)
I'm 100% certain that the games do NOT kill everybody with one hit and chop their limbs off. YOU are dead wrong.
In Jedi Academy, there was an option to enable dismemberment, but this happens rarely.
In Jedi Outcast, there was no such option and the command was disabled.

I play both games multiple times every week (daily during the last two weeks)

What MIGHT have happened is that you had a script file left from previous installations or a modified shortcut to the game left from previous installations.
There's no way what you're saying happened without using the console commands or having a script that uses them for you. Of that I am completely certain.

I am not saying this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME!! but enough to make it look and feel just perfect.. I will say YES!!! One Swipe and a storm trooper is dead! Why are we even arguing about this? Who can honestly say TFU is any bit of a non linear realistic jedi (Sith) game? Its a major arcade game, horribly arcade, so much they have health meters above their heads, lol.. Finally, every boss(ahha boss's) have to be killed the same way as everyone else.. Meaning, you can throw a million exploding barrels into the AT-ST and it won't do a thing.. You must do some very old classic, cheesy button combo's that get even 7 year olds excited.

Da_Man_2423 08-22-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 2514106)
I am not saying this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME!! but enough to make it look and feel just perfect.. I will say YES!!! One Swipe and a storm trooper is dead! Why are we even arguing about this? Who can honestly say TFU is any bit of a non linear realistic jedi (Sith) game? Its a major arcade game, horribly arcade, so much they have health meters above their heads, lol.. Finally, every boss(ahha boss's) have to be killed the same way as everyone else.. Meaning, you can throw a million exploding barrels into the AT-ST and it won't do a thing.. You must do some very old classic, cheesy button combo's that get even 7 year olds excited.

Do you have any real point when you constantly say that The Force Unleashed is an arcade game? What are you trying to prove? LucasArts will cash in nicely off this title, regardless of what die hard Jedi Knight fans feel.

Jacob Nion 08-22-2008 01:17 PM

Roger Roger

Aku 08-22-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Man_2423 (Post 2514115)
Do you have any real point when you constantly say that The Force Unleashed is an arcade game? What are you trying to prove? LucasArts will cash in nicely off this title, regardless of what die hard Jedi Knight fans feel.

Oh well, at least hearing these Jedi Knight 2/3 fans complaining because this game isn't Jedi Knight 4 is kinda entertaining in a way :)
(especially so when they can't even properly describe their beloved game :D)

TimbukTurnip 08-22-2008 01:29 PM

I agree the TFU is a bit arcadey, but its still really good :D
people saying that JK II and had realistic sabre combat, the only way a SW game is going to have realistic sabre combat is if anyone who gets hit with a sabre falls apart (or whatever) and dies.
Sure, the stormtroopers died in one hit, but other force users didn't . . . i guess that means it wasn't realistic?

and i think on Sith Knight and Apprentice difficulty on TFU, maybe Sith Lord too, i can't remember, the stormtroopers die in one hit there too :P


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