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The Betrayer 10-30-2008 08:54 PM

[KotOR Comic Spoilers] Darth Sion's Identity
 
As revealed in the latest KotOR comic, Darth Sion is actually Lucien Draay, Zayne Carick's former master.

It was revealed when Haazen was pondering what he will name Lucien, and he threw the name "Darth Sion" around.

Chevron 7 locke 10-30-2008 09:20 PM

Wow...i really didn't see that one coming. Seriously...i didn't

Zerimar Nyliram 10-30-2008 09:50 PM

According to John Jackson Miller, this was just a teaser and may or may not be factual. Haazen was pretty much just throwing out name ideas, and it may or may not turn out that Lucien takes the name Sion as per his suggestion; or it may or may not turn out that Haazen's mention of the name may be coincident, having nothing to do with the actual Darth Sion who would arrive later.

Also, according to The Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Sion was a surviving Sith from Exar Kun's order, so he obviously wasn't Draay.

I think what is more likely is that Haazen himself takes the name of Darth Sion, being a Sith formerly serving under Exar Kun; and Lucien becomes Nihilus.

jrrtoken 10-30-2008 10:12 PM

Which issue is this? I've yet to find any mention on Wookiepedia about this.

The Betrayer 10-30-2008 10:15 PM

@PastramiX
Issue 34, the very latest.

Hayden Kered 10-31-2008 01:36 AM

I was recently under the impression that Haazen would be Sion.

Their appearances are very similar:
Haazen
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/st...ertylights.jpg

Sion
http://www.joysf.com/zbxe/files/atta...onkorriban.jpg


Haazen and Sion both have bad right eyes.

Haazen has a skeletal right arm, Sion has his right arm in a full arm like glove.

Their belts/loin guards are similar in design.

Sabretooth 10-31-2008 01:51 AM

Damn, why does the EU have to go about exploring and answering everything? Sion was great as he was, shrouded in mystery and darkness, like the other Sith Lords of KotOR II. And at the same time, it's a mildly nice revelation. :/

I think I'm going to look at two Darth Sions now.

The Betrayer 10-31-2008 03:16 AM

@Hayden GS
Okay, I'm convinced. Haazen is Sion. But who is Nihilus?

Corinthian 10-31-2008 04:39 AM

Since when was Sion shrouded in mystery? He was about as well shrouded as a rancor. The man's modus operandi is 'kill, kill, carnage', like he took lessons from Kharn the Berserker (Although Kharn would eat Sion alive).

Hayden Kered 10-31-2008 04:56 AM

I almost expect that Zayne will kill Lucien, fall to the darkside after doing so, and become Darth Nihilus.

Corinthian 10-31-2008 05:29 AM

If Lucien is Sion, you can't very well kill him - the man has Invulnerability to Lightsabers. As well as everything else.

Hayden Kered 10-31-2008 05:36 AM

Here is a little something I whipped up! It shows photos of Zayne, Nihilus, and Lucien. Zayne's and Lucien's faces have been blackened and Nihilus' mask placed over top.

I know it's not the best, but it might give some an idea who Nihilus may be, or at least be a head scratcher!

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...oisnihilus.png

Zerimar Nyliram 10-31-2008 06:40 AM

I don't think they're going to make Zayne Nihilus. He's the type of character that you just don't do that to in writing. I know this.

As I've said in my previous post, Haazen was simply throwing name ideas around, it's impossible for Lucien to be Sion because Sion was a Sith under Exar Kun, and and I think that Lucian will become Nihilus and Haazen Sion.

Hayden Kered 10-31-2008 06:51 AM

Looking over some info on wookieepedia I'm beginning to think that Lucien will be Nihilus.

But then again we could be wrong on both accounts. In Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide, it states that Darth Sion was the apprentice of Darth Nihilus. If this is true then Nihilus must already exist and taught Haazen the ways of the sith, dubbing him Darth Sion.

Arátoeldar 10-31-2008 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Betrayal (Post 2547065)
@Hayden GS
Okay, I'm convinced. Haazen is Sion. But who is Nihilus?

Nihilus being the Exile's dark half that took the more self-destructive path, it's not canon. Avellone even mentions that in the interview where he reveals his intention for Nihilus.

Corinthian 10-31-2008 07:01 AM

Thank god it never got canonized. That is one of Avellone's worst ideas ever.

Astor 10-31-2008 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram (Post 2547098)
I don't think they're going to make Zayne Nihilus. He's the type of character that you just don't do that to in writing. I know this.

They also said that Darth Vader couldn't be a whiny, angsty teen - that happened.

Or that Jacen Solo could become the biggest butthole in the galaxy.

Quote:

As I've said in my previous post, Haazen was simply throwing name ideas around, it's impossible for Lucien to be Sion because Sion was a Sith under Exar Kun
Retcon? Also, it's probably a good idea to not take the things in the RPG books as gospel - the writers of those don't get final say for what is canon - it's bound to be subject to change.

Chevron 7 locke 10-31-2008 02:31 PM

If dray is Nihilus, doesnt that mean he had to have been at Malachor five? Wasn't the guy who would be Nihilus at the battle before he was transformed into Nihilus

Zerimar Nyliram 10-31-2008 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astor_Kaine (Post 2547104)
They also said that Darth Vader couldn't be a whiny, angsty teen - that happened.

Or that Jacen Solo could become the biggest butthole in the galaxy.

But you see, those are the types of characters that you do turn into Sith Lords. Zayne is not like them at all. I've always read Zayne as being very similar to Disney's Aladdin: a comical character unwittingly turned hero.

Although Jacen was sort of like that before his fall, and I've always frowned upon the decision to make him a Sith. It never felt believable to me.

Also, the information provided in the same RPG book regarding Nihilus' past already blows what Avellone said out of the water. I will take to heard what Astor_Kaine said about information from these sorts of books, but so far that is what is currently canon.

sarpedon2 11-23-2008 12:52 PM

Spoilers:
spoiler:
Seems Lucien isn't Sion. Yet. He's rejected the idea of becoming the Lord of Pain. He is however lost his eyes and his hands our burnt. See Lucien Draay's entry on Wookiepedia for more info.


I don't think the KOTOR comics are sold in the UK so could someone post me a scanned image of Lucien at the end of the comic. Wookiepedia don't have one.

Darth Hord 11-23-2008 02:56 PM

Based on what happens to Lucien and Haazen in the latest issue(s?) both of them could not end being Sion though my gut still says it will be Haazen who's current sith name Darth Hayze is not that good.

Gavroche 11-24-2008 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Jackson Miller
The galaxy may get its Darth Sion, but not from him.

> source

As for Haazen, I think he's pretty much dead. That was one "helluva" explosion that destroyed the Covenant, without his Sith artifacts, it'd be a wonder if he survived.

HK-42 11-24-2008 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavroche (Post 2557141)
> source

As for Haazen, I think he's pretty much dead. That was one "helluva" explosion that destroyed the Covenant, without his Sith artifacts, it'd be a wonder if he survived.

well if he is Sion he'll be alive again...

The Betrayer 11-25-2008 06:14 AM

http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/1...jiwwu03wpz.jpg
Lucien at the end of the comic.

sarpedon2 11-25-2008 12:52 PM

Well it looks like he definitely isn't Sion, unless he will be present at the battle of Malachor V and would have joined the Revanchists.

Zerimar Nyliram 11-26-2008 06:14 PM

And that he hasn't been a Sith since Exar Kun's time, if you're referring to Lucien. I know what Astor says about a possible retcon, but the source from which this information comes has been released far too recently, and Lucas Licensing is far too close-knit with what they have planned in the near future for a retcon to take place that soon after the information is released.

So yes, Darth Sion started out as a Sith serving under Exar Kun, and may in fact be the earliest account of the Darth title being used, provided he used it back then. Haazen was a strong possibility until he went and got himself dead, so I don't who will become Sion now; but Lucien is impossible.

Also note that the possibility of Krynda becoming Kreia has now been ruled out with her recent death.

Ztalker 11-26-2008 06:55 PM

Please note that the one who opted the 'Darth Sion' is buried under tons of stone of the Draay mansion, twisted by the dark side. And if Lucien lost his eyes and got 100% burned WITH a protective shield, I bet Haazen can be 'shattered and put together.'

Also, Alek takes on the persona of Malak. As a statement to the council, since they pursue revanchist. So he goes by his hiding name.


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