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DarthJacen 11-20-2008 05:51 PM

Space, and space combat (not related to the guild ships topic) for all fighter pilots
 
Hooray! This is my one hundredth post!

Jump to Lightspeed was my favorite expansion for Star Wars Galaxies. It gave such a depth to the roleplaying aspect of Galaxies that I actually find myself telling people, "I'm right above you, let me land", in reality you are in a completely different server.

It was nice to be able to hyperspace to other planets and fight an arcade flight simulator meshed game that you could play against the environment or against other pilots and pob ships.

It was more of a World War II flight simulator than a modern one because of the emphasis on guns being the primary weapon and missiles being a secondary weapon. (GL used world war II footage of the Battle of Britain as an early for of animatics for the Millenium Falcon fight and the Battle of Yavin scene in A New Hope causing that feel.)

By the way, if you haven't already, Master pilots should check out Ord Mantell with a group. You would be freaked out by the level of npcs there.

EVE went even further with the space concept by making all space activity on one giant server where you could literally go and go and go in space and never find the end of the server unlike in Galaxies.

I have often talked with people who have played both, and they agree with me that Galaxies would benefit from and EVE level space sim.

Would you be happy with this being added to Star Wars: The Old Republic? Why? or Why not?

Nedak 11-20-2008 06:33 PM

You should have gave the option for "Other"

Jeff 11-20-2008 06:37 PM

I added an other option.

I'm not sure I want there to be any more space combat than maybe the minigames we saw in KotOR. I'd rather they focus on the story and main gameplay than add stuff like this.

DarthJacen 11-20-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Moeller (Post 2556038)
I added an other option.

I'm not sure I want there to be any more space combat than maybe the minigames we saw in KotOR. I'd rather they focus on the story and main gameplay than add stuff like this.

That's fine! But, Space is the first thing you see in any Star Wars film, or game. So, we can't, just, forget about the STAR is Star Wars.

Jeff 11-20-2008 06:43 PM

Well yeah, I still expect there will be hyperspace travel to different planets and stuff, and maybe random run-ins with ai-controlled fighters where you shoot them down like in KotOR, but besides that, not sure if I want any pvp space combat or anything like that.

DarthJacen 11-20-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Moeller (Post 2556041)
Well yeah, I still expect there will be hyperspace travel to different planets and stuff, and maybe random run-ins with ai-controlled fighters where you shoot them down like in KotOR, but besides that, not sure if I want any pvp space combat or anything like that.

"Look good against remotes is one thing, good against a living? Now, that's something else" Han Solo, ANH

Once, you can excel at pvp space combat ai-controlled fighters just look tame compared to the ferocity of a real pilot who can think and maneuver.

Knight like chivalry is dead almost everywhere except among fighter pilots. They fly and fight simply to say, I'm better than you and I can prove it.

LordOfTheFish 11-20-2008 08:06 PM

Well, I'm not sure what I would like to see TOR Space Combat as... Certainly not like Galaxies

Tommycat 11-20-2008 09:26 PM

Actually Galaxies Space Combat was adopted from Wing Commander style. I'd rather see something far more advanced than Galaxies. Something that includes atmospheric flight as well. I personally like Galaxies style space combat. Twitch gaming and damage done by rolls. I would love to see something like being able to fly in to provide air support for your side in a conflict. Bringing reinforcements into hot zones(like Clone Wars). Evacuating wounded and being able to be a real hero pilot like the famous Dust Off's of the Vietnam era.

DarthJacen 11-20-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LordOfTheFish (Post 2556073)
Well, I'm not sure what I would like to see TOR Space Combat as... Certainly not like Galaxies

Well, think of something.

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Originally Posted by Tommycat (Post 2556091)
Actually Galaxies Space Combat was adopted from Wing Commander style. I'd rather see something far more advanced than Galaxies. Something that includes atmospheric flight as well. I personally like Galaxies style space combat. Twitch gaming and damage done by rolls. I would love to see something like being able to fly in to provide air support for your side in a conflict. Bringing reinforcements into hot zones(like Clone Wars). Evacuating wounded and being able to be a real hero pilot like the famous Dust Off's of the Vietnam era.

I did not know that. That's pretty cool that a game that was released in 1990 is still in use today.

Weiser_Cain 11-20-2008 11:29 PM

I'm a big fan of freelancer, so I'd like that as the default style but with joystick support if possible, for the hardcore.

Sabretooth 11-21-2008 12:26 AM

Going by how the game is all epic-story-oriented and stuff, I'd expect there to be space combat. I'd like it if it were like what you describe EVE Online's as. Mostly being able to do what you like, transport to planets, hijack, pirate, fight in a whole squadron etc. I think that will be included, seeing as how space combat has always played a crucial role in every Star Wars movie. :p

DarthJacen 11-21-2008 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2556138)
Going by how the game is all epic-story-oriented and stuff, I'd expect there to be space combat. I'd like it if it were like what you describe EVE Online's as. Mostly being able to do what you like, transport to planets, hijack, pirate, fight in a whole squadron etc. I think that will be included, seeing as how space combat has always played a crucial role in every Star Wars movie. :p

Not every movie, Episode II, and V largely did not feature much space combat that was of any significance. II less so that V. But, every movie does start out in space with a ship flying across the screen or sending out probe droids.

Scars Unseen 11-21-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthJacen (Post 2556172)
Not every movie, Episode II, and V largely did not feature much space combat that was of any significance. II less so that V. But, every movie does start out in space with a ship flying across the screen or sending out probe droids.

The Millenium Falcon's chase through the astroid field wasn't signifigant enough for you? Other than the Death Star run, that was pretty much the iconic space combat scene for me.

DarthJacen 11-22-2008 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Scars Unseen (Post 2556411)
The Millenium Falcon's chase through the astroid field wasn't signifigant enough for you? Other than the Death Star run, that was pretty much the iconic space combat scene for me.

It was not combat, by definition, it was a chase. Combat implies two combatants at a minimum exchanging fire. The Millennium Falcon never returned fire once, the same thing with Obi-wan chasing Jango Fett. There was no return fire from Obi-wan, either.

So, no that was not space combat.

Mav 11-22-2008 04:33 AM

I've only played Galaxies, not EVE, but that being said, I did like the space combat in Galaxies, could it have been better, of course, but it was enjoyable. Being a pilot I am probably extremely biased, but if there is a Star Wars MMO and I don't have the option of being a pilot-type class, or at the very least, owning and being able to fly my own ship I will not be buying this game.

Steve-O Kreesh 11-22-2008 09:51 AM

I opted for other.

I think it would be cooler to move from planet to planet with a Ebon Hawk sized ship, or even a big cruiser like a Star Destroyer.

DarthJacen 11-22-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2556138)
Going by how the game is all epic-story-oriented and stuff, I'd expect there to be space combat. I'd like it if it were like what you describe EVE Online's as. Mostly being able to do what you like, transport to planets, hijack, pirate, fight in a whole squadron etc. I think that will be included, seeing as how space combat has always played a crucial role in every Star Wars movie. :p

Don't forget to add your vote, then.

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Originally Posted by Steve-O Kreesh (Post 2556541)
I opted for other.

I think it would be cooler to move from planet to planet with a Ebon Hawk sized ship, or even a big cruiser like a Star Destroyer.

Don't forget to add your vote to the poll, then. I don't see it up there.

Pho3nix 11-22-2008 02:33 PM

Quests involving space combat would be awesome.

Zerimar Nyliram 11-22-2008 04:43 PM

I voted "other' because I've not played either of those games but would very much like to see some space combat.

DarthJacen 11-22-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram (Post 2556657)
I voted "other' because I've not played either of those games but would very much like to see some space combat.

Don't vote out of ignorance, it doesn't help the cause, but you do want to see space combat in the game so, cool!

Mav 11-22-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthJacen (Post 2556667)
Don't vote out of ignorance, it doesn't help the cause, but you do want to see space combat in the game so, cool!

Why don't you stop telling people what to vote, there is no point in having a poll if you're going to tell people what to do. If they want to vote they'll vote, just leave it at that.

DarthJacen 11-22-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick187 (Post 2556720)
Why don't you stop telling people what to vote, there is no point in having a poll if you're going to tell people what to do. If they want to vote they'll vote, just leave it at that.

I'm trying to get a gauge on how hot this topic is that's all. So far the poll is actually supporting my hypothesis that most people want some sort of space combat and 8 people actually want either a Galaxies style simulator or an EVE/ Galaxies hybrid that would go beyond the old system.

There is only one no vote on here, which actually intrigues me greatly.

Miltiades 11-23-2008 08:41 AM

I have no idea what space combat Galaxies or EVE had, so I voted other. I wouldn't know exactly how it would work, but there's a good chance it'll be in the game.

jrrtoken 11-23-2008 09:50 AM

Truthfully, I'd like it to be something TIE Fighter, or Battlefront II. Nothing too complicated, but nothing to simple, either.

SW01 11-23-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PastramiX (Post 2556839)
Truthfully, I'd like it to be something TIE Fighter, or Battlefront II. Nothing too complicated, but nothing to simple, either.

^Agreed.

I really enjoyed the Battlefront II space combat system, as far as the one man fighters go, the bombers to a slightly lesser extent (the pilot/bomber role was good, but I didn't really like the secondary missile operator bit so much), but I felt that the capitals could be improved, mainly by permitting greater control over heavy weapons, targeting, manoeuvring, etc.

If it is only single pilot fighters that are included, Battlefront's system would be great.

DarthJacen 11-23-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PastramiX (Post 2556839)
Truthfully, I'd like it to be something TIE Fighter, or Battlefront II. Nothing too complicated, but nothing to simple, either.

I've played both games! Good choice!

Rev7 11-23-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PastramiX (Post 2556839)
Truthfully, I'd like it to be something TIE Fighter, or Battlefront II. Nothing too complicated, but nothing to simple, either.

QFT

Swanea 11-24-2008 11:43 AM

I have to say, Star Wars without Space combat is rather silly, in an MMO at least. I rather enjoyed Tie Fight/Xwing, moreso than the "twitch" gaming of SWG space. Nothing would be more epic than fighting against the Sith/Republic in space, than landing to fight their too. I could understand some planets being being off limits to attacks/capturing, but eh.

Just seems like the game would be missing so much without space fighting.

SW01 11-24-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanea (Post 2557263)
Just seems like the game would be missing so much without space fighting.

IIRC, that was one of the things the developers of Battlefront II said when announcing space combat, that it had been strange that a Star Wars game [i.e. Battlefront I] didn't have any space battles.

Really hope they have a sizable space combat element, so long as it is well executed - and I would prefer it to be during travel, if that makes sense, as you travel from world to world, system to system, there will be other (opposing) players about who may attack you, or npcs who will attack you (pirates, for example.)

HdVaderII 11-25-2008 04:18 PM

X-Wing Alliance style! The best starfighting game in the world!

gianner 11-26-2008 12:07 PM

I like X-Wing Alliance too. But I think we all need something better (or upgraded maybe?) and fascinating. Not only make flying and fighting easier but give and some glamour and style! Because thats the Star Wars way!!!

Mav 11-26-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HdVaderII (Post 2557897)
X-Wing Alliance style! The best starfighting game in the world!

Sorry, but you're wrong, it goes, TIE Fighter > X-Wing > X-Wing Alliance

DarthJacen 12-23-2008 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick187 (Post 2558338)
Sorry, but you're wrong, it goes, TIE Fighter > X-Wing > X-Wing Alliance

All of the above!

Feagildin 01-08-2009 02:09 AM

I'd like to see something similar to the BFII style of space combat, but as all ready mentioned, with a bit more variety and content. Boarding would be especially fun with MMO characters duking it out.


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