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GreyJediMaster 06-07-2009 03:42 PM

Exile vs Anakin
 
Anakin's the chosen one, however the Exile's seen far more and become far wiser than Anakin could ever hope to be

Force Vampire No.2 or The Chosen One?

Kreia's Aprentice or Obi-wan's?

Mr. Space Hermit or Whiney teen Jedi?


maybe a VERY stupid question, but i dunno

Demongo 06-07-2009 03:45 PM

"The choosen one" was pwned by a Jedi Master(Obi), but the Exile killed, let's see 3 Sith Lords(Sion,Nihilus,Kreia), and 4 Jedi Masters. So Exile would win:D

GreyJediMaster 06-07-2009 04:26 PM

mmmm


that was my feeling too


goes to show, " you dont have to be all-powerful to change the galaxy"

...

i enjoy being a nerd

Venom750 06-07-2009 04:55 PM

I foolishly voted anakin without thinking damn it

Trench 06-07-2009 05:57 PM

The Exile could destroy Anakin without even trying. No contest.

Darth Avlectus 06-07-2009 08:51 PM

Exile is queen (canonically anyway), or king depending on your choice. Anakin...sorry...you were only cool for a few years. Exile all the way.

TriggerGod 06-07-2009 09:06 PM

Exile: Kills 3 Sith Lords, 4 Jedi Masters (non canon), more than 10 dark jedi, and countless other people who wanted her/him dead.

Anakin: Kills village of Tusken Raiders, holds his own for 5 seconds against Count Dooku, kills everyone in the jedi temple in an ambush, and than gets pwned by his teacher.

Darth Vader: Kills countless more Jedi in the purge, fights his apprentice (and nearly loses), and his son several times.

No matter which Anakin you choose, the Jedi Exile will kill him.

Blix 06-07-2009 09:44 PM

Damn, after viewing the poll results and reading some of your reasons I am wishing I had leaned with my original and voted for Exile :(

Well I guess I will try and support my reasoning for Anakin; well he is the "chosen one" if that means anything, he is a powerhouse for sure although his fight with Obi Wan was very close and ultimately he lost. He is quite efficient with a lightsaber, though not in the same league as Obi Wan or even Count Dooku, I think it is just his rage and proficiency with the force that makes him a foe to reckon with. But I do agree that Exile would destroy him, in fact she would suck the life out of him ala Kreia, hands down :)

DarthJacen 06-08-2009 01:42 AM

Well, it's basically the son of the Force vs. the hole in the Force. According to George Lucas, Anakin is a level 8 saberist at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith, and turns into a 9 (highest level according GL) when he becomes Darth Vader. Obi-Wan was a level 8 to give you some perspective. Yoda is a 9 and Count Dooku is a 9 as well. The Exile on the other hand lost some of her saber training during her five years in exile after Malachor V. Also, she needs her Force-sensitive companions within the area so she can siphon the Force energy from them otherwise she's powerless. I think, if the confrontation came down to lightsaber talent. Anakin would win, especially if he caught the Exile alone without her friends from whom she would draw her Force power. And, remember that Anakin's strengths are flying a ship, and seeing things before they happen. He would be so far ahead of the Exile's attacks that she would be forced to defend herself, just, to stay alive. But, the advantage the Exile has is she can, literally, sneak up on Anakin, so if she plans to kill him rather than fight him (because she has no Force signature to give her away she has the same problem the Yuuzhan Vong had.) But, a fight between the two of them would be epic, but I think Anakin will win, simply because he can easily predict what she will do next.

Trench 06-08-2009 03:01 AM

^ True, but the Exile (essentially being a Force Vampire) could also probably siphon power from Anakin, fueling herself and weakening Anakin in the process.

DarthJacen 06-08-2009 12:30 PM

No, because she has no influence over Anakin, she can only siphon power from someone she has influence over. Aka friends.

TKA-001 06-08-2009 04:47 PM

We don't know enough about the Exile to draw a fair conclusion. Yes, she killed three Sith Lords, but how did she kill them? Did her strength lie in tactics, raw Force ability, or lightsaber skill? Did she defeat Nihilus without exploiting his bond with Visas, or did she need to in order to win? Was she nearly killed by Darth Traya at the end, or were they on equal footing? We don't and can't know any of these things.

Ping 06-08-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TKA-001 (Post 2632813)
We don't know enough about the Exile to draw a fair conclusion. Yes, she killed three Sith Lords, but how did she kill them? Did her strength lie in tactics, raw Force ability, or lightsaber skill? Did she defeat Nihilus without exploiting his bond with Visas, or did she need to in order to win? Was she nearly killed by Darth Traya at the end, or were they on equal footing? We don't and can't know any of these things.

Very true, but we do know that the Exile needed three people to kill one Sith Lord, and since Anakin/Vader was able to take on eight Jedi during the Purge and defeats them almost single-handedly, I'd say the Exile would get pwned any day by the Chosen One.

Trench 06-08-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ma ping (Post 2632826)
Very true, but we do know that the Exile needed three people to kill one Sith Lord, and since Anakin/Vader was able to take on eight Jedi during the Purge and defeats them almost single-handedly, I'd say the Exile would get pwned any day by the Chosen One.

The Exile need three people to take on a fellow Force Vampire. Imagine fighting someone who is practically a Force mirror of yourself. The fight would never end. But the Exile single-handedly held her ground against Darth Sion and crushed his will to live. The Exile also took on Darth Traya, who continued to fight after loosing both her hands. The exile also fought her way through the Jekk'Jekk Tar on Nar Shaddaa, survived the planet of Malachor and the Trayus academy, made it through the tomb of Ludo Kressh, survived Peragus, etc, etc, etc...
Need I continue?

DarthJacen 06-08-2009 06:47 PM

Anakin only survived Naboo, Geonosis, The Clone Wars, the Death Star's destruction, and nearly survived the Empire itself. Surviving the Clone Wars alone was a feat in itself, especially, since the war was designed to kill the Jedi, and Anakin was not always on the same page as the sith. Most of the time, pre-Vader Anakin wanted the sith destroyed.

Trench 06-08-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthJacen (Post 2632872)
Anakin only survived Naboo, Geonosis, The Clone Wars, the Death Star's destruction, and nearly survived the Empire itself. Surviving the Clone Wars alone was a feat in itself, especially, since the war was designed to kill the Jedi, and Anakin was not always on the same page as the sith. Most of the time, pre-Vader Anakin wanted the sith destroyed.

True, but through most of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, Anakin/Vader was surrounded by friendlies. The Exile had to go through the things I mentioned above alone.
I also forgot to mention that the Exile was able to survive the severing of a lethal Force Bond.

Ping 06-08-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Te Mirdala Mand'alor (Post 2632878)
True, but through most of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, Anakin/Vader was surrounded by friendlies. The Exile had to go through the things I mentioned above alone.
I also forgot to mention that the Exile was able to survive the severing of a lethal Force Bond.

The Exile was surrounded by friendlies throughout her journey, so her ordeals were probably just as hard as Anakin's, if not easier. Besides, the Clone Wars was alot more deadly then the Mandalorian Wars or the possibly the Sith, as the Sith in TSL are what's left from KOTOR, and they were pretty much decimated at the Star Forge.

DarthJacen 06-08-2009 07:57 PM

That's not quite right. The Sith in TSL were actually under the Exile's command durring Malachor V. Meaning, they were the jedi that resisted the dark side teachings from Revan. The Jedi at Malachor V were sent there to be killed, converted (to Revan's side, he hoped, or with the Exile severed from the Force, thus elimiating his inner threats. But Kreia, Nihilis, and Sion did not join ranks with the other Jedi converted. They became sith but did not participate in the Jedi Civil War. And, they didn't strike until after Revan came back as a Jedi to defeat his own Empire, then went into the Unknown Regions to pursue the True Sith that came back for The Old Republic MMO.

After he was away, T3-M4 returned to known space without Revan seeking out the exile even though, Revan was not sure if she would forgive him for his attempt to kill her, earlier. The exile eventually does forgive him, and goes into the Unknown Regions after learning from Kreia where he was. She does not take her companions with her, just like Revan. Kotor III was supposed to be the finale of these having the two meet up, but since both canons had been set. You could no longer have four endings, when you knew Revan was light side male, and the Exile is light side female. We have, yet, to hear about what happened to them, but the True Sith empire does return to know space for The Old Republic, so it's more than likely they failed to destroy the Empire, even though they would have made a dent, I'm sure.

GreyJediMaster 06-09-2009 06:10 AM

HOLD THE PHONE! when did revan try to kill the exile? or am i being dumb?


man, its really sad that they both failed to top the true Sith. at least weve got a bad ass mmo now, but still.

i am in mourning

TKA-001 06-09-2009 10:12 AM

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True, but through most of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, Anakin/Vader was surrounded by friendlies. The Exile had to go through the things I mentioned above alone.
Anakin/Vader didn't fight large groups of enemies alone? What about the Clone Wars? What about the Jedi Purge?

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I also forgot to mention that the Exile was able to survive the severing of a lethal Force Bond.
If it didn't kill her, then how exactly was it lethal?

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But the Exile highhandedly held her ground against Darth Sion and crushed his will to live.
This is what my above post was talking about. You can't know if the Exile held her ground against Sion or barely survived that duel.

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The exile also fought her way through the Jekk'Jekk Tar on Nar Shaddaa,
So the Exile fought her way through a crowd of mooks on the ass-end of space? Who cares? Any competent main character can do that.

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survived the planet of Malachor and the Trayus academy,
See above.

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survived Peragus,
Again, she didn't survive anything except a bunch of mooks.

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made it through the tomb of Ludo Kressh
What's so impressive about that?

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HOLD THE PHONE! when did revan try to kill the exile?
When he sent her to die at Malachor, I believe.

DarthJacen 06-09-2009 12:41 PM

I agree with everything you, just, said. Except Darth Vader Purging the Jedi, he didn't do it alone. But he was in charge and leading the Clone Battalion of the 501st Division. He did take out Cin Drallig, the saber instructor (Nick Gillard, the stunt coordinator, backwards?), and his Apprentice in both the Video Game and the Movie. So, he definitely had some skill with a lightsaber blade.

Lord of Hunger 06-09-2009 12:58 PM

Exile vs. Anakin

Let's first consider what Anakin's down fall was: overconfidence. He thought he could make an uber high leap over Mr.Kenobi and got his limbs chopped off.

Now, what is Anakin's strength? Determination. It is said he was on his way to becoming a Jedi Weapons Master, and the characteristics of Darth Vader say Sith Marauder. He simply doesn't take no for an answer and will keep coming at you.

What is the Exile's weakness? In the case of LS Exile, it is also her strength: Empathy. She'll connect with anyone and anything and simply can't stand suffering. DS Exile? We don't know for a fact, but I think he/she was well on his/her way to surpassing even Darth Nihilus at the end of TSL.

In Anakin I see a potential Jedi Weapons Master with a ****load of Force potential.

In the LS Exile I see a passive Force Vampire and in DS Exile I see an aggressive Force Vampire.

Aggressive Force Vampires easily take down those with massive Force potential, so DS Exile would win easily. LS Exile would be siphoning Anakin's excess energy and would therefore win, but would not kill Anakin until the last minute.

Exile hands down. Force Vampiricy is in a league of its own, and the only person I see resisting it would be Kreia, who understands it and can even use a little of it.

DarthJacen 06-09-2009 01:31 PM

Heh, good point, but we are speaking canonically, so it's the light side female Exile. And, Anakin was definitely in the same league as the other Jedi Masters with his saber skills.

Ping 06-09-2009 05:13 PM

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LS Exile would be siphoning Anakin's excess energy and would therefore win, but would not kill Anakin until the last minute.
"Force vampires" do not gain Force enrgy during a battle, they gain it once their opponent is defeated. They don't siphon it while they're fighting.

VarsityPuppet 06-09-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ma ping (Post 2633194)
"Force vampires" do not gain Force enrgy during a battle, they gain it once their opponent is defeated. They don't siphon it while they're fighting.

At first I was going to debate that, but you're technically right.

It would be a pretty even match I think. Both are skilled with the lightsaber, (btw, screw Lucas' saber level system), both have fought in major wars (I don't know if Anakin was a general, but..), and both can see the future (to an extent), among other things.

Someone stated that Anakin could see what the exile was doing before she did it? The Exile has battle precognition (The handmaiden says you have it if you're a male, but it doesn't change the fact that you would still have it as a female) so they're right on par there.

I don't know. I'm of the opinion that the Exile would win. And that's mostly because I don't like Anakin.

DarthJacen 06-09-2009 07:31 PM

Anakin was a General in the Clone Wars Movie, and TV Series. I still think, Anakin would at least wound the Exile if not kill her.

VarsityPuppet 06-09-2009 07:50 PM

It's hard to say. To me, it just sounds like Lucas wants Anakin/Vader to be THE most powerful force user of all time. As such, he just makes him good at everything which gives him the appeal similar to Superman. He probably would kill her.

The Exile would know better than to fight him head on anyways. As to what exactly she would do, I have no idea... which is ironic, because I usually decide what she does. I'd/she'd probably just put down a bunch of devastating frag mines before the battle. And since it is TSL, the battle will probably be too easy and unbalanced ;).

I think we can agree that the Exile would definitely kill Episode IV Vader, right?

Trench 06-09-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ma ping (Post 2633194)
"Force vampires" do not gain Force enrgy during a battle, they gain it once their opponent is defeated. They don't siphon it while they're fighting.

A Force Vampire (both light and dark) can use the Force Drain ability more effectively than other Force users, simply because it comes naturally to them. The Exile could drain Anakin of his powers and life before he took two steps. Just look at the way Kreia used it on the Jedi Masters. She wasn't even a Force Vampire, and she killed them all and made them devoid of the Force without even trying. Imagine what the Exile could do if she really tried...

Ping 06-09-2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Te Mirdala Mand'alor (Post 2633250)
A Force Vampire (both light and dark) can use the Force Drain ability more effectively than other Force users, simply because it comes naturally to them. The Exile could drain Anakin of his powers and life before he took two steps. Just look at the way Kreia used it on the Jedi Masters. She wasn't even a Force Vampire, and she killed them all and made them devoid of the Force without even trying. Imagine what the Exile could do if she really tried...

Being a vampire and using Drain Life are two very different things. Drain Life simply heals you at the cost of your opponent. A vampire becomes more powerful as they kill enemies, whether or not they use Drain Life. Also, I'm pretty sure Kreia probably used an advanced form of Drain Life. How else can a person by removed from the Force?

DarthJacen 06-09-2009 09:16 PM

Yep, any Force User can do it unless you weren't trained in the technique, just, like every Force technique.

mikrex 06-10-2009 12:50 AM

What about Revan and Exile vs. Obi and Ani ?

GreyJediMaster 06-10-2009 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mikrex (Post 2633348)
What about Revan and Exile vs. Obi and Ani ?

its an interesting one. i think Revan would come out on top, simply ncause he has the best dress sense, and thats a BIG plus


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Originally Posted by mikrex (Post 2633348)
Being a vampire and using Drain Life are two very different things. Drain Life simply heals you at the cost of your opponent.

ah c'mon, theyre basically the same, just that drain is like a peanut, Force vampirism is like a peanut factory

DarthJacen 06-10-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mikrex (Post 2633348)
What about Revan and Exile vs. Obi and Ani ?

That's funny the Exile doesn't have the same trust with Revan, who tried to kill her as Obi-wan and Anakin have. They'd be too busy watching their own backs to worry about the Obi-wan and Anakin

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ah c'mon, theyre basically the same, just that drain is like a peanut, Force vampirism is like a peanut factory
Yes, and it's very rare

Hawkstrong16 06-10-2009 05:16 PM

Exile. Anakin just plain sucked. I mean what a loser

DarthJacen 06-10-2009 07:01 PM

The was the most decisive reasoning, yet! You can't, just, pick a winner simply because you don't like the other guy. This isn't an election.

mikrex 06-11-2009 01:24 AM

I think the Exile would own Anakin, and drain him completely of the force.

DarthJacen 06-11-2009 03:26 AM

Didn't we go over that already? The Exile would have to kill Anakin, first, and that's not easy.

mattig89ch 06-11-2009 02:45 PM

I dunno, I think that Anakin would win. It'd be barely, but he'd win. If only because he brought balance back to the force.

DarthJacen 06-11-2009 03:18 PM

Yeah, plug the hole in the Force and the Force is balanced, again! Go Chosen One!

Darth_Yuthura 06-11-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthJacen (Post 2632637)
Anakin would win, especially if he caught the Exile alone without her friends from whom she would draw her Force power. And, remember that Anakin's strengths are flying a ship, and seeing things before they happen. He would be so far ahead of the Exile's attacks that she would be forced to defend herself, just, to stay alive. But, the advantage the Exile has is she can, literally, sneak up on Anakin, so if she plans to kill him rather than fight him (because she has no Force signature to give her away she has the same problem the Yuuzhan Vong had.) But, a fight between the two of them would be epic, but I think Anakin will win, simply because he can easily predict what she will do next.

I don't think so. (I despise Vader, so this is biassed)

The Exile's friends are power. Vader/Anakin had no charismatic skills that remotely compared to the Emperor's or the Exile's, so her ability to draw followers to her command is an advantage in itself. The same thing went for Revan, as it was his diplomatic skills that made him so powerful.

She doesn't have a Force signature as you said. Which would mean Anakin would only have had his skills against her and no other precognitive advantage regarding her directly.

I would also say that if the Exile could harness Force lightning, Vader stands no chance at all.


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