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jrrtoken 09-16-2009 03:46 PM

JK is Back
 
Or at least it is on Steam.

The entire series is now available for download; yes, that includes Dark Forces, which incorporates some of the best FPS level design, par none.

Alternatively, for JK virgins, you can buy the entire series in one bundle for only $20, which is quite a bargain considering that they all ooze quality.

Linkity, dinkity, lock

The Seeker 09-16-2009 04:21 PM

*squeals girlishly* OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. I'M SO BUYING THIS RIGHT NOW! Dark Forces on XP?! *faints*

RoxStar 09-16-2009 04:29 PM

We really need to get the band gang back together and play some JK2/JA. No pure server / no force bull****!

The Seeker 09-16-2009 04:56 PM

Problem is most of the old gang are all grown up with jobs and families and stuff now. I mean, I was 15 years old back in the JK MP days. Good times that should be revived but I don't know how feasible it is.

MrWally 09-16-2009 05:21 PM

Man... this is really tempting. Too bad I already spent $120 yesterday and bought KotOR on Steam last week... >.<

Giant Graffiti 09-16-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Seeker (Post 2673396)
*squeals girlishly* OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. I'M SO BUYING THIS RIGHT NOW! Dark Forces on XP?! *faints*

Actually, according some forums posts on Steam this is just the original version bundled with DOSBox. :(

Jeff 09-16-2009 06:47 PM

I hate Steam, I just picked up the JK pack as well as the LA adventure pack. Can't beat the deals though.

Never played any of the JK games so I'll give them a try pretty soon. I'd be up for some multiplayer too.

acdcfanbill 09-16-2009 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gιygαs (Post 2673432)
Actually, according some forums posts on Steam this is just the original version bundled with DOSBox. :(

On their forum, the thread about dark forces mentions DOSbox shortcuts and whatnot so I'm thinking it is.

The Seeker 09-16-2009 07:30 PM

Yeah it is DOSbox but bottom line is that it actually works perfectly. No modding, or file swapping or tweaking. Just jump in and play. Good times so far.

jrrtoken 09-16-2009 09:03 PM

Well, my faith in LucasArts delivering quality products became quashed yet again; I found out that DF2 doesn't have any of its CD-based music in the Steam version. Not to mention, it also crashes everything I try to menu save; it lacks 3D hardware acceleration, and I'm forced to play all of the cutscenes in windowed-mode. Of course, LA would have the resources to correct all of this; they own the source code, naturally, and have all of the manpower to rewrite several components to make the SITH engine OpenGL/AL-compliant, but they lack the will to do so. Unfortunately, it's become a rather recent trend to expect this, particularly from LucasArts. :rolleyes:

Yet once again, you have my sincerest regards, LA. :disaprove

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 09-16-2009 09:22 PM

This is exactly what i was waiting for when they LA announced the whole Steam thing.
i cant *wait* to play Dark forces! I found a 3 level "super sampler" disc at a recycle shop, and i really want to play the rest.

Quote:

DF2 doesn't have any of its CD-based music in the Steam version.
what do you mean?
... the game has no music??

MrWally 09-17-2009 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastramiX (Post 2673484)
Well, my faith in LucasArts delivering quality products became quashed yet again; I found out that DF2 doesn't have any of its CD-based music in the Steam version. Not to mention, it also crashes everything I try to menu save; it lacks 3D hardware acceleration, and I'm forced to play all of the cutscenes in windowed-mode. Of course, LA would have the resources to correct all of this; they own the source code, naturally, and have all of the manpower to rewrite several components to make the SITH engine OpenGL/AL-compliant, but they lack the will to do so. Unfortunately, it's become a rather recent trend to expect this, particularly from LucasArts. :rolleyes:

Yet once again, you have my sincerest regards, LA. :disaprove


Is anyone else having these problems? I was considering buying this since I never played Dark Forces 1 or 2 and haven't gone through JKII:JO in years, but I'm not going to get them if they're buggy.

Samuel Dravis 09-17-2009 02:06 AM

I don't know about the Steam versions, but IIRC the CD versions of JK and MotS both worked pretty well on my XP64 system. At least I don't remember it crashing a lot, although I think the menu was a bit buggy. Nothing unplayable though.

MysticSpade 09-17-2009 02:15 AM

i actually still have my retail version of JA with lightsaber keychain...LoL

Sabretooth 09-17-2009 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoxStar (Post 2673399)
We really need to get the band gang back together and play some JK2/JA. No pure server / no force bull****!

Do what this man says.

Please.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 09-17-2009 03:53 AM

Quote:

no force bull****!
so you mean that you dont want force powers or that you don't want stupid force usage.

WANT, or DO NOT WANT, that is the question.

Sabretooth 09-17-2009 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan (Post 2673563)
so you mean that you dont want force powers or that you don't want stupid force usage.

WANT, or DO NOT WANT, that is the question.

I'll just say that playing Jedi Academy online requires purchasing a special textbook on etiquette.

jrrtoken 09-17-2009 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan (Post 2673494)
what do you mean?
... the game has no music??

Essentially, yes, the music files aren't even included with the Steam version.
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWally
Is anyone else having these problems? I was considering buying this since I never played Dark Forces 1 or 2 and haven't gone through JKII:JO in years, but I'm not going to get them if they're buggy.

Both DF1 & 2 are completely playable; knock yourself out. DF1 uses DOSBox, so it runs flawlessly. DF2, while playable, is subject to crashing when doing anything else other than simply playing the game (Changing settings, saving via the menu, etc.)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Samuel Dravis
I don't know about the Steam versions, but IIRC the CD versions of JK and MotS both worked pretty well on my XP64 system. At least I don't remember it crashing a lot, although I think the menu was a bit buggy. Nothing unplayable though.

DF2 is entirely playable, even on Win7 64-bit; It's just extremely temperamental.

The Steam forums are also a beehive; apparently everyone has these problems.

And for those wanting a better DF1 experience, see here.

boinga1 09-17-2009 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoxStar (Post 2673399)
We really need to get the band gang back together and play some JK2/JA. No pure server / no force bull****!

Do agree. Playing JK/MOTS has made me giddy. Also playing DF for the first time. :D

Edit: Commemerative Invasion of Poland Post.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 09-17-2009 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabertooth
I'll just say that playing Jedi Academy online requires purchasing a special textbook on etiquette.

ive played on MP quite a bit, and have seen the worst; such that would flood this post with asterisks and earn a permaban.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastrami
Essentially, yes, the music files aren't even included with the Steam version.

WHAT.

MysticSpade 09-18-2009 02:25 AM

whenever i played we didnt use force powers outside of push and saber throw

jrrtoken 09-18-2009 06:29 AM

I can't take it anymore; JK1 is so incomplete without the music, not even when taking in mind the dozen other compatibility issues. For $5, I've received an incomplete, broken 12-year-old game. What's even worse, is that the original discs included not only the elements in question, but they also didn't force you into a restrictive DRM scheme, so you could install the game on any system, rather than one with an internet connection.

What's really irks me is the fact that this is a 12-year-old game; LucasArts had plenty of time to understand and resolve the hundreds of compatibility issues that plague the game. I also blame Valve for not enforcing higher quality standards in their releases; if they had set stricter compatibility and quality standards, much like with GOG.com, then there would've been a great fewer number of problems. GOG.com also don't force you to install any draconian DRM system, and it also provides you with a bounty of extras, including game soundtracks, artwork, or wallpapers. So, if you want but an older game, always check GOG.com first; you'll be getting a much better product in the long run.

If you're as agitated as I am with JK1, then ask Valve for a refund. Send LucasArts a message: If you don't give us a complete, functional copy of a game, then you won't receive our money for it. Don't create a petition or vow to not buy any LucasArts game again, becuase you will eventually. All of the other games in the JK Collection bundle run absolutely perfectly on my computer, and I love those games dearly, but JK1 is a total waste of money. Hell, if you're that desperate to play JK1, then just go and pirate it; at least you'll be getting the full, original game at very little monetary expense.

Jeff 09-18-2009 08:30 AM

I can't agree that Steam is "draconian" DRM, I think it's reasonable to expect everyone to have a computer with an Internet connection, but I'll give you the rest. It does seem like a rather rushed job and it is too bad Valve accepted it the way it is.

Can something be done about adding the music back in? Not that I care enough or know how to do that, but I'd add some files if someone else figured it out.

jrrtoken 09-18-2009 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff (Post 2673900)
Can something be done about adding the music back in? Not that I care enough or know how to do that, but I'd add some files if someone else figured it out.

You'd probably have to rip the music from the CDs, via some utility, and then modify the executable to not scan CD drives for the music, and instead point it towards a certain directory. It wouldn't be terribly difficult if you owned the source code (Which, apparently, LucasArts claims that it went "missing". Go figure. :rolleyes:), and then modified a few scripts to point the game to the ripped music files, instead of having it search the CD drives for the files.

While that seems fairly easy for LA to accomplish, it's essentially impossible for any fan-made project, unless if you want to reverse engineer and rewrite the whole SITH Engine. Again, that's why I'd still say that simply "finding" the isos would be dramatically easier, as that is really the only path to get the complete game, in its entirety.

GeneralPloKoon 09-22-2009 06:23 PM

I highly dislike digital downloads.....they could release the collection in disc form....please?

Pho3nix 09-22-2009 06:44 PM

Thanks for briefing the problems PastramiX, I'll probably buy the pack anyway despite the issues...

Music or not, It'll be great to re-experience some JK moments =)

txa1265 09-24-2009 05:43 AM

Well ... here is what I've seen with the Steam versions:
- JKII / JA work great
- Jedi Knight - cutscenes are in small-window then flashes back to full-screen. Full save crashes, quick-save is fine. T for Talk doesn't seem to work.
- Dark Forces - controls are a sort of hybrid of old & new with no apparent way to change.

Overall ... meh. Dark Forces is solid, but I had just removed the CD install of JK from my netbook since I had gotten this ... and now regret it!

acdcfanbill 09-24-2009 09:47 AM

You have to use dosbox to rebind controls. Their forum have a short tut for it.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=967990

txa1265 09-24-2009 02:04 PM

Thanks for the link ... I had trolled around the Steam forums after my post and saw some similar things.

JK / MotS are the really big disappointments to me.

Prime 09-30-2009 10:08 AM

Glad I still have my old disks!

jrrtoken 09-30-2009 04:48 PM

Highest exaltations to Kukulkan; brave hackers made the ultimate sacrifice by fashioning a ddraw wrapper to force 3D acceleration.

Drink the anti-aliased elixir from this most holy font, my friends! :bow:

acdcfanbill 09-30-2009 07:07 PM

Cool, it's good to see the steam releases have garnered some interest and especially some fixes for the problems plaguing JK1 on newer systems. Too bad Lucasarts didn't feel they could have helped us out, but this is just as good.

Darth Avlectus 09-30-2009 07:13 PM

Well cool, I'll finally be able to play DF again. Some buttwipe stole my original CD of it years ago... and I haven't gotten one since. Ebay burned me when I tried. >:v[


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