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Sabretooth 02-18-2010 08:24 PM

In the words of Sid Meier, "**** just got hexagonal, bitches."

Official Site

Apart from the aforementioned news of changing the Civilization landscape (hahahahaha) by introducing hexagonal tiles, also expect more in-depth diplomacy with diplomatic screens filling your whole screen. Leaders will speak at length in their native tongues, for example.

As the three screenshots show, armies look big now and with the more complex hexagonal system, battles should be even more epic and brain-numbingly complex. Just like they should be.

A new engine has been developed for the game, but I don't know, it looked like a reworked version of Gamebryo from the previous game. Also, national borders look a bit weird on the hexagonal tiles, but I think they're just a raw implementation right now because they don't look particularly refined in the screens.

It looks like larger battles and detailed diplomacy are the two primary features on the cards, but for those of you who partake in such things, the game will include an in-game community hub from where to share things with other players.

Some Extra Details Here

It's coming out in Fall 2010 - use the time to quit your jobs/school/whatever.

Jeff 02-18-2010 08:36 PM

I still have yet to play Civ IV even though I own it, but sounds sweet. Release is pretty soon for just being announced. Also, I hear a sigh of relief after people thought that "Civilization Network" (facebook game) was replacing this.

Litofsky 02-18-2010 09:24 PM

I do contend '**** yeah.*' Civ IV is one of my favorites; I've played hour-long debacles that have led civilizations from brunt of society to a space-faring superpower, and have led massive armies across the deserts and jungles of the world with jets and nuclear weapons right on my tail.

In other words, I'll be eagerly anticipating every single update and morsel of information leaked/released. :p

Mav 02-18-2010 09:25 PM

Civilization is too confusing for me, most strategy games are, C&C is about as complicated as I can play.

Sabretooth 02-19-2010 06:48 AM

18 Civs will be making the cut, and two leaders have been confirmed: Washington for the US and Bismarck for Germany. Their diplomacy screens have been made available in this slideshow.

But I'm a nice guy, so here they are.
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Bismarck looks kinda plastic, but Washington is spot-on. Pro-American bias? >_>

Also, I'm totally going to miss Bismarck's epic helmet. :(

A complete reveal will be made in the April issue of GamePro. So torrent buy a copy at earliest!


These come from here.

- Switch from squares to hexagons changing the way the game plays. More room for maneuvers and more tactical options.
- Changes to combat. More depth in combat, no more stacking of units. This will lead to bigger focus on terrain.
- Inspired by Panzer General.
- Reintroduction of Bombardment, now archers and siege equipment can shoot over melee units.
- Better diplomatic AI.
- More diplomatic options between players.
- Less "cheating" AI.
- Religion is not a factor anymore.
- Ressources are not infinite. For example one source of horse only supplies enough horses for 1 unit, but when that horseman dies the horses will respawn as a unit. (this confused me alittle, i guess we will have to watch it in action)
- City States as a sort of small countries that never develop beyond their single city. They can provide bonusses if you befriend them, or you can take over their land.
- Civics are out, now there is something called "Social Policies".
- About the same amount of wonders, the tech tree will feel familiar. Great People still in.
- Some victory conditions changed. For example in Conquest you only have to capture all the other capitals. Eliminates boring mop up phase.
- Unique Civ leader bonusses, no more standard "Spiritual" or "Financial".
- DirectX 11 support.
- Built in webbrowser. Sid Meier is also working on a facebook application of Civilization.
-Yay for more in-depth combat. While my last Panzer General experience was a simple demo many years ago, I believe I ought to dig it up again to get a feel for the game.
-No religion is interesting, but not a surprise. It was experimental in the last game, and while it was good, it got a bit messy over time. Wonder how they're going to explain not including it, though.
-Finite resources is scary. If I start to run out of oil, I might have to borrow money from China and invade an oil-rich nation - crazy stuff like that. Oh wait.
-City States isn't very detailed yet, but it sounds like a revision of the Barbarian Cities model.
-I don't mind Civics going either - it's all about the role-playing any way. What I'm curious about is how they will implement social policies in a way different from the Civics solution.
-Conquest is finally feasible for people who don't gear up for war like reborn Hitlers! Wonder if there will be any new victory conditions.
-Finally, unique leader bonuses. Wonder if civilizations will have unique bonuses too - that way if they allow mix-matching, you can have some interesting combos.
-Built-in web browser? Is that a full-fledged browser or just a community section like in Spore? If the former, then it'd match the awesomeness of Epic including a full-fledged IRC client in UT2004!

Litofsky 02-19-2010 04:36 PM

And we have to wait another six months? :p

The first item that really struck me was the 'finite resources.' I might have to guard my oil, now; I can recall more than one instance where a lack of oil had my tanks halting their advance until the supply lines were secure.

Morphing from Barbarian cities into City States seems a decent move, but I can't imagine any real changes coming in other than not being permanently at war with them, and having diplomatic options (proxy war, mayhaps?).

Combat has a me a tad concerned. 'Stacking,' I always felt, was an acceptable combat maneuver that had its benefits and risks, among which included have over one million soldiers being blown up with nukes.

The dissolution of civics will be interesting. I found that each one had useful bonuses that allowed me to better shape my empire (Police State combined with State Property was always a fun one). I wonder how Social Policies will compare?

Definitely a good thing, however, for unique leader bonuses. I tended to associate myself with the qualities (I always enjoyed 'charismatic'), and that led to a great deal of repetition.

Thanks for the links, Sabre!

Astor 02-19-2010 05:08 PM

Never been a fan of the Civilisation series, if i'm honest - although i'll admit that this does look interesting - and those CG versions of Washington and Bismarck look pretty good (in fact, I'd be tempted to change my avatar to a haughty looking Washington if I wasn't satisfied with His Grace to the left).

So, yeah, I think I might be adding a new strategy series to my library.

Te Darasuum Mandalor 02-19-2010 08:27 PM

I love Civilization! I am currently working on a LOTR mod for number 4. They keep getting better, and this one should be awsome! BTW, that was only a teaser site.

Sabretooth 02-24-2010 09:35 AM

Behold, mortals: I bring news of more news!


- The graphics will move to an Art Deco line, including menus and architectural design.
- The game engine is brand new
- We will no longer be allowed to stack more units on the same tile. This means that there’s a limit of one unit per box, which completely changes the way the game will look like (including war).
- All ranged units (archers, catapults etc) will be allowed to attack units one hexagon away.
- The hills, forests and lakes will therefore become more important for the gameplay.
- Expanding your borders will be a bit more difficult and we’ll be allowed to buy land or conquer it, different types of land requiring more to be conquered.
- Barbarians will no longer disappear if left unattacked. Also, they will build up their own cities too
- Mutual research will be possible to speed up research times if you team up with other civilizations.
- AI civs will plan on a longer term instead of deciding what to do in the present.
- Art Deco? Sounds great. Civilization IV had some of the best interfaces I've seen in games, so an Art Deco styled interface handled by Firaxis would truly be a sight to behold. Would you kindly show us some screenshots?

- Looks like they're trying to make combat much more tactical and something you have to be intelligent about. Civ IV's combat was rather simplistic in that respect - build up troops, march them to your enemies and start fighting. It was the economics and grand strategy behind the war that usually mattered. I'm all for close-up tactics though, I just wonder how they'll be able to integrate it with the traditional Civ style.

- Striving to spread your borders is also a relief. I never bought the whole culture-borders solution in Civ IV and hopefully the new system will make sense. Some member of the Civ Fanatics forums have noticed however, that many of the borders look symmetrical. It's unknown whether the border was just a mock-up or not, but it does look worrisome.

- Can't make an opinion one way or another about barbarians. I'd have honestly preferred it if they matured into full-fledged civilizations (albeit heavily handicapped, and perhaps dependent on others). It would be a neat implementation of the dozens of weak and small states in the world, such as in Africa.

- Co-operative research sounds neat, but the whole research system I still don't quite get. More often than not, conquests and trade spread and advanced research than a team of scientists or thinkers, as Civilization makes it out to be. I'd prefer it if researching a technology caused it to "leak" by trade, culture and military expeditions to foreign countries.

- Better AI always makes for a better game. A human-like AI would really be the most important element of evolution in the series.

Te Darasuum Mandalor 02-24-2010 11:55 AM

R there gonna be any new civs? I am kinda tired of the same old nations.

swphreak 02-24-2010 03:55 PM

I'm definitely looking forward to this. It'd be pretty awesome to get a big LF Civ game going.

Litofsky 02-24-2010 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by StarWarsPhreak (Post 2708710)
I'm definitely looking forward to this. It'd be pretty awesome to get a big LF Civ game going.

Entirely. But then, I'd have to go back to playing a regular, unmodded game. :xp:

...dibs on America, while we're at it. o_Q

Sabretooth 02-24-2010 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Te Darasuum Mandalor (Post 2708672)
R there gonna be any new civs? I am kinda tired of the same old nations.

The total number of civs has been set to 18, but we don't know anything apart from that. The civs will be slowly revealed over time and we'll only know the full roster about a month before release, as is custom for Civ games.

It has also been customary for Firaxis to include a "surprise Civ" with each game - last year it was Mali. And if nothing, the expansion packs add plenty of variety like Ethiopia or Sumeria. So I'd expect at least one new civ - otherwise it's pretty hard staying at the 18-Civ mark and including all the historically-important Civs.

@SWP: Capital idea. Though I've always been scared of Civ multiplayer. We'd have to play quick games because there's no way I'm going to find the time to play a longer game at the same time as you people. :p

News Time

The Swedish magazine update above? Somebody got another translation in. I've struck out the points we already know:


Instead of the previous games quite anonymus realistic design will Civ 5 will move in a stylized Art Deco lines. This includes everything from menus to architectural design.

• The game engine is brand new and has nothing to do with the previous games.

• Now you can have only one unit per tile, instead of the earlier parts where you could stack some thirty war elephants in the same tile. This is true both in cities and on the ground. This is expected to make war more strategic and grand. It is not just about standing on a hill outside the opponent's capital.

All distance units (catapults, archers, muskets, and everything in between) have the ability to attack something that stands a hexagon from them.

• Because of these changes will be things such as hills, forests and lakes of much greater importance than in the previous sections, where most were ornaments.

• To gain control of hexagons (this means your civ's territory, and not military control) is much more difficult and more important than in earlier parts, which always had lots of unnecessary land. In Civ 5 you will take over a tile at a time, although this may be speeded up by investing money in the area.

• Hexagons that are in a more difficult location (type, in a forest or a mountain) will take much longer to conquer. A swamp area, for example, require that you own almost all hexagons around it before it can be conquered.

• State Governments (City States, most likely) will act as a diplomatic hotspots. For example, maybe there is one in an area you want, but it is sponsored by another player. You attack the city, he will probably be mad at you, but it can be an important resource in your civilization's survival.

Barbarians will build on its own little town on the map that must be destroyed to make you avoid them altogether, instead of the just disappear after a few thousand years.

With the help of money you will be able to team up with other playesrs for research projects, where both of you will research the same thing so that it goes faster.

Computer players will plan more long term, instead of just living in the moment.

swphreak 02-24-2010 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2708765)
@SWP: Capital idea. Though I've always been scared of Civ multiplayer. We'd have to play quick games because there's no way I'm going to find the time to play a longer game at the same time as you people. :p

I don't know a lot about it, but there's that PitBoss thing that let's people play by email or something? We'd have to use that or its successor for Civ 5..

Ctrl Alt Del 02-24-2010 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by StarWarsPhreak (Post 2708777)
I don't know a lot about it, but there's that PitBoss thing that let's people play by email or something? We'd have to use that or its successor for Civ 5..

It'd still need to be a short game, unless we want to spend several months playing. If we make it a move per day, it's more or less one game and a half (considering it 200 turns).

Anyway, I'd play such a multi game. Can't see why it can't be done with 4 already.

Sabretooth 02-25-2010 06:56 AM

G.D.C. 2010.


- In the sponsored lecture "Firaxis' Civilization V: A Case Study in Scalable Game Performance", Firaxis, 2K Games, and Intel "present the world premiere game engine and technology sneak peek of Civilization V, launching this fall." Along the way, according to the talk, "you'll learn how Firaxis developers have used the newly released GPA 3.0 PC platform tools and Threading Building Blocks to offer Civ V playability on myriad systems."
Hmm, the engine didn't really look all that special back in the screenshots. They're probably holding something back, something huge. It also looks like it will be focused on scalability - does that mean it will be playable on Civ IV-era computers? Or does that mean the game's scale itself will be hiked up to magnanimous amounts?

Sabretooth 02-27-2010 01:11 AM

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"A moment comes, which comes but rarely in history, when we step out from the old to the new, when an age ends, and when the soul of a nation, long suppressed, finds utterance" - Jawaharlal Nerhu.

"To build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith,to create hope when hope becomes forlorn." - Douglas McArthur.

"I never learned how to tune a harp, or play upon a lute; but I know how to raise a small and obscure city to glory and greatness...whereto all kindreds of the earth will pilgrim." - Themistocles.

"The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood." - Otto von Bismarck.

"I have witnessed the tremendous energy of the masses. On this foundation it is possible to accomplish any task whatsoever." - Mao Zedong.

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." - Eleanor Roosevelt.

I wonder if these are hints towards leaders? Mao and Bismarck should be definitely in, and Themistocles sounds possible as well. Eleanor Roosevelt may be a hint towards Theodore Roosevelt, who sounds likely. Jawaharlal Nehru, if included, would replace Gandhi and would honestly be a more sensible choice, even if not the ideal Indian ruler. The last one would be MacArthur, who has no chance of making it. I also can't think of any hints around him, so perhaps they only took his quote.

Also, the Vikings are effing badass.

And lastly, they need to bring back Leonard Nimoy for the technology quotes. Since 2005, I've read every single historical quote in his voice, preceded by a "Technology Researched" sound.

Litofsky 02-27-2010 11:59 AM

As an obsessive Civ IV player, I am growing more and more excited by the nanosecond (exponential growth, I do say!). :p

T7nowhere 02-27-2010 01:44 PM

Civ IV was fun for a while but the appeal of the game didn't last as long as civ 3 for me. I hope CIV V will change up the game play and not be just more of the same with better graphics.

I don't really see how the Hexagons will make a real difference. you could always move your armies in 8 directions terrian permiting.

Sabretooth 03-04-2010 05:32 AM

I've been out of action courtest of a broken monitor, so here's an update:

The Gamepro Preview


- (Germany) German leader: Otto von Bismark
- (China) China leader: Wu Zeitein/Zetein (two spellings in the article; SHOULD be Wu Zetian) (Mao and other previous Chinese leaders are out)
- (America) American leader: Washington (Lincoln and FDR are out)
- (Japan) Japanese leader: Oba Nobunaga (Tokugawa is out)
- (Arabia) Arabian leader: Harun al-Rashid (Xerxes and Saladin are out)
- Other confirmed leaders mentioned in the article (Genghis Khan, Washington, Caesar, Napolean, Gandhi)

Looks like one leader per civ a la Civilization Revolution?

- City-states: Can provide gifts of gold, bonuses; only one city but borders can grow. Confirmed is Singapore.

- Hills provide defensive and line-of-site advantages
- Attacks over rivers are affected
- Wounded units can hide in trees and recover

- Basic military units move two tiles in combat instead of one.
Dropping Mao and Tokugawa are some major moves, though I don't know why the poster thinks Xerxes is out for the Arabian slot. :p

Another post, this one coming from the Swedish edition of PC Gamer:


About Civ 5:

About 50 persons are currently working on the game, which has been in development for over two years, but is now reaching the final phases.

The game has a new engine composed of a hexagons. Jon Shafer thinks this change is good, since it gives you lesser options of movement but each option is therefore more important. It also means that for example mountains and forests can have a more natural pattern.


The graphics will have a completely new style- Art-deco, inspired by games like Grim Fandango. It is designed by Russel Vaccaro. The environments, like forests and oceans, will be a lot more animated than in Civ 4.


The game will have an advanced sound-engine, which will change sounds depending on if you are in the hills, the forests or on the ocean. It will also have a large soundtrack.

Panzer General:

The new hexagonal change is specifically useful in the new, improved combat system. Now you may only have a maximum of one unit in a hexagon. This includes the cities. Shafer says that Panzer General was the main inspiration for this change into a more tactical battlefield. The new system forces your units out of the cities and out into the terrain, forming natural frontlines and taking advantage of good defensive positions.


Some units may attack other units more than one hex away, for example archers.


Hills give defensive advantages. Your units can see and shoot farther there.


You will now see leaders in full view. They alsp talk in their native language. Firaxis has resurrected the extinct language of quechua (used by Inca). However, all leaders will have their lines subtitled in English.

City states:

These are small, AI-controlled civilizations. They never grow big and doesn´t desire to win. The player must choose if he is to be friendly, indifferent or hostile towards a city state. The attitude you has towards a particular city state will have a big effect on diplomacy. If for example your units is approaching a city state that have friendly relations with another civilization, he will warn you, and if you ignore them, there will be consequences.


The barbarians originate from a barbarian city and will get more advanced units later in the game. You need to wipe out all barbarian cities to get rid of the barbarian hordes.

City expansion:

Borders does no longer expand in large areas, but one hex at a time. Remote hexes like marshes, forests and mountains will be harder to acquire.


You can invest money in your neighboring hexagons, for example trying to acquire an important resource before your opponent.


You can also sign a research-deal with another civilization. This way, both civs will cooperate to reach the new technology and both will gain it when the discovery is made. This was included to encourage cooperation between civilizations.


The civilizations will have an all-new advanced AI. All opponents will have fixed characteristics. Based on this unique personality, every AI-player will have their own agenda, which the AI will use to plan how to best play to win the game. But there will also be a certain randomness to avoid having the AI be too easy to predict.


PC Gamer was impressed with what they saw. They think the new graphics was a real facelift for the franchise, and the interface is greatly improved. They also thought the soundtrack was brilliant. They conclude:

"Judging from the gameplay-sequences we saw, Civilization 5 will make no fan of the franchise disappointed."
And some even more info over from PC Jeux:


Civ 5 is made for PC and, therefore, gameplay isn't lessened by any means.

Some experience was gained from Revolution and it will enhance the accessibility and staging of the game.

More clarity in the drawing of detroits, mountain passes and river tracks.

An "African-type" continent doesn't have anything to do with a nordic-type or an asian type continent.

Steep terrain will slow down your expansion.

Elizabeth will favor maritime supremacy.

Napoleon will build a BIG BIG -or a very huge- army.

Bismarck will maximize the industrial output of his nation.

Assimilation of a newly conquered city will make your "Overall Happiness" drop.

The military unit upkeep is also tied to the "Overall Happiness" mechanism.

No more "Spearmen defeated Tanks" since now an heavily damaged Tank will still be a hundred time more performing than an healthy Legion.[Off/HP]

Limited next war at the end of the game.

Religion, alongside with Ecology and Tyranny is a development model.

Religion path => Polytheism - Monotheism - Theocracy

Tyranny path => Despotism - Absolute Monarchy - Fascism

Traditonal path

Democratic path

Litofsky 03-04-2010 04:50 PM

Nice update, Sabre.

Interesting to note that each civilization's leader will have a preference on how to handle things; more historical accuracy, I suppose, but that also present the possibility that the games might be a wee bit predictable.

The city-states sound the most interesting to me (the vast changes to combat aside; I'm still unsure on how it'll play out, but I'm positive). Having minor nation-states that we can communicate with will be a definite plus, as well as a potential diplomatic ally/barrier.

Also, being able to co-research (or share research, as it is) will have pretty resounding affects on diplomacy, I think: it'll make the alliances much more clear-cut and defined, while potentially leading to a technology race between the major Allies/Powers.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-04-2010 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by T7nowhere (Post 2709304)
I don't really see how the Hexagons will make a real difference. you could always move your armies in 8 directions terrian permiting.

Yes, but non-military units (such as workers) don't seem to have a standard two tiles movement.

Also, about the otherwise "cultural" borders expanding one hexagon at a time, might lead to excessive micro-management if we get to choose which hexagon to expand to first.

Sabretooth 03-04-2010 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ctrl Alt Del (Post 2710391)
Also, about the otherwise "cultural" borders expanding one hexagon at a time, might lead to excessive micro-management if we get to choose which hexagon to expand to first.

I'd actually like that, I've always wanted to personally dictate my Empire's borders.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-04-2010 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2710396)
I'd actually like that, I've always wanted to personally dictate my Empire's borders.

And I'm sure this will lead the most creative members to build nations with hideously designed borders.

"And there was this game I lined all my cities to look like a huge, three continents-spanning penis."

Sabretooth 03-05-2010 09:49 PM

Behoelden. A short preview by IGN sheds some light on hitherto unknown details. I've put in the quote only the stuff we don't know:


Naturally, it's not all about making war, so diplomacy has been overhauled as well. Diplomacy has a wider focus but has also been streamlined a bit. In terms of focus, the team wanted to create a game where the player's main interactions weren't always driven purely by competition. The inclusion of unaligned city states that can be used as leverage against larger powers helps move diplomacy in a new direction. By removing the religion and espionage systems, Firaxis hopes to focus diplomacy more on specific strategic situations and less on the exploitation of more arbitrary game elements.

The game has obviously also been influenced by Civilization Revolution for the consoles, particularly in terms of the overall interface. While the new game still maintains a level of complexity that's appropriate for the series and the PC platform, the interface elements have been folded back to reveal more of the playing area. Likewise, the game will help players focus on the information they need to see. Small icons will appear along the edge of the screen to give players notifications of important events or opportunities, and you can instantly snap to any of the relevant locations to get your own appraisal of the situation. (Sounds like a Total War influence to me)

Additionally, if you haven't set a research priority or a production order for one of your cities, the end turn button will instead take you to those screens.

Of course, not all of Civilization's PC fans had a positive view of the broad style or humor of Revolution, so they'll be happy to know that the designers are moving away from the silliness of the console game to create a more somber PC sequel. The game will still have the trademark Civilization personality, but it won't be as exaggerated as in previous installments. The advisors are making a comeback, for instance, but won't be pushing each other aside or shouting over each other.

It's not surprising given Jon's background that the new version of Civilization will be even more moddable than Civ IV. All the tools have been taken to a whole new level, so the more you know about XML and programmable DLL, the more you'll be able to achieve with the game. More importantly, the game itself will contain a browser for full community interaction, so you can search for, discuss, install and rate mods all from within the game shell. Firaxis will maintain a small bit of control over this and will rely on player flags to evaluate objectionable content.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-05-2010 10:45 PM

Personally, I think that making the series becoming more sober is a fairly respectable new direction. The Sims would be a game that would lose much if we took humor away. Civilization... not so much.

Leaders loking more like real people and less like their caricature would also be helpful.

Te Darasuum Mandalor 03-06-2010 06:59 AM

what is everybody's fav/best civ in the previous games?

For me, its gotta be either Germany or Rome.

Sabretooth 03-06-2010 12:55 PM

I've only played Civilization IV and all the civs were fairly equal in it. If anything, India - part patriotism, part logic - they have the only unique unit that lasts the entire game.

Ctrl Alt Del 03-06-2010 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Te Darasuum Mandalor (Post 2710712)
what is everybody's fav/best civ in the previous games?

For me, its gotta be either Germany or Rome.

Well, on CivIV, the civilization that best adapted to my needs was Egypt, attribute-wise. Germany not far behind.

Although if we ignore this and go only for the coolness aspects, then Rome hands down. I'm a great fan of their faction.


Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2710762)
I've only played Civilization IV and all the civs were fairly equal in it. If anything, India - part patriotism, part logic - they have the only unique unit that lasts the entire game.

Yes, though on the previous instalments, it wasn't quite like that. On CIVIII for instance, the Americans were the only Expansionistic/Industrious civ of the game. By far the best combo.

ForeverNight 03-06-2010 06:20 PM

Civ IV? Japan was fun, but I just couldn't get into it.

Civ III? Persia :D

As an avid Civ 3 player, I'm dubious but hopeful about this... anxious as hell though.

Edit: What the **** do you mean only 18 civs?! 36 on Extra Large real World Map fools. Where is it?!

Sabretooth 03-09-2010 08:35 AM

We finally have our first look at the interface, courtesy a picture by Eurogamer.

Show spoiler

My analysis:
- Research at the top-left, a simple counter instead of a whole progress bar - conserves space, looks slick.

- Overall Happiness now displayed, and is possibly an important factor as opposed to city-wise happiness

- I can't tell the counter beside it, looks like a coin, but why would the treasury be capped? Maybe it advances in a manner similar to culture, as the culture counter also has a cap.

- Large, accessible buttons on top-right. Strangely enough, there seem to be only three. Assuming the last is selected and is diplomacy, the second-last may be like the Home Advisor. Can't tell the first.

- Advisors look like they will be a condensed version of the hint system in Civ IV. I like it, succint and well, she's sexy.

- Function buttons to the left - this will be weird to get used to. It looks like they are: Build City, Move, Skip Turn and Sleep. It seems strange that there is a skip turn button here as well as an easy button to the far right. Maybe the icon stands for something else then.

- Secondary options truncated into a different menu. I'm not so sure about this, but what the hell.

- A glorious big illustration? I'll take it.

- A flag icon. This can be anything, but I don't think it will be a unit locator, as this the illustration should be clickable.

- Unit, with quick arrows to shift between units - nifty. Unit details below and a curious watermark insignia. It would sound most logical to have the nation's emblem here, but I don't recognise that one. Maybe it's just a placeholder?

- I wonder what the ring around the illustration does. It isn't like Firaxis to waste interface space.

- Mysterious empty box to the far right.


IGN's place has been updated with some concept art and screenshots, presenting to us the concept for who I believe is Elizabeth.

I wonder how accurate it will be though. Bismarck's concept art looked rather... well, Stalin-like. The finished product looks much better.

An Asian civilization with a green/yellow border? I'm tempted to think it's Mongolia.

Eurogamer's Preview

While it has nothing particularly new, it's well-written and keeps Civilization IV in mind.

stoffe 03-09-2010 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2711422)
- Mysterious empty box to the far right.

Probably the minimap/worldmap, looking empty since it's mostly filled with black fog-of-war at the start of the game, I'd guess.

mur'phon 03-09-2010 03:04 PM

Looks promising, but I haven't really touched a civ game in a while because, they feel, eh, wrong after Alpha Centauri.


what is everybody's fav/best civ in the previous games?
University of planet, fast research but no defence against having said tech stolen made for an interesting combo. Also the horror of being so good at resarch, as you ended up deserving the nickname "the unethical".
Yes I know it's Alpha Centauri, but for all intents and purposes, it's a civ game.

Sabretooth 03-10-2010 04:13 AM

New GDC Preview by Gamespot

Notable Stuff:


- From a technical perspective, Civ V's overland maps look better than they ever have and feature realistic-looking forests, mountain ranges, and flowing water in the form of inland rivers and sparkling oceans.

- While you're gazing from sea to shining sea, you won't have to stare at piles and piles of numbers and icons--instead, while you'll still be able to access menus like your city's build menu, the scientific technology tree, and your diplomacy standings with other nations, they'll all be nested in menus that can be quickly and easily closed up.

- To make sure you don't forget what you were going to do next, the game will instead offer an enhanced notification system that will alert you to pretty much all happenings in the game, from completed scientific research to finished construction in your cities to discovering ruins (which appear to be the new game's version of goodie huts), and clicking on the notification will always open up the relevant menu and let you do whatever you need. In addition, Civilization III's advisors return in Civ V and will, as usual, offer you helpful tips on the next move you might want to make.

- The demonstration we watched showed an early starting game for Greece with a troop of settlers (which act as the single settlers unit from previous games) and a troop of warriors (which act as a single warrior unit from previous games). The settlers immediately started a new city, while the warriors headed out into the wilderness to find a neighboring city-state, one of Civ V's new features. City-states are basically neutral cities of varying specializations (such as a militaristic city-state) that can be conquered if you prefer, though you can leave them neutral and form treaties with them, or take missions from them. Forming a strong relationship with a neutral city-state can be very beneficial--becoming buddies with the militaristic city-state in our demonstration meant that the neutral burg would send us free warriors every few turns--but it can also upset nearby civilizations who would prefer to have that city-state's services for themselves.

- Expansion will still be crucial to your success in Civ V, and the amount of "culture" your nation produces will still be the determining factor in how often your cities expand, but this time around, cities will not automatically expand outward in giant concentric circles. Instead, your holdings will expand one hex at a time and will tend to automatically grow toward specific nearby areas that your current civilization needs--for instance, if you've been developing your agricultural base, your nation will automatically tend to expand toward that nearby wheat-growing plain. While you can still use the old trick of annexing nearby resources by just sending out a settler to build an adjoining city nearby, there will apparently be game-specific disadvantages to having two cities too close to each other. Instead, Civ V will offer you a new alternative to send settlers to a desired area and plunk down a huge sum of gold to simply annex that zone and its resources.

- After observing the early ages, we skipped ahead to a more-developed version of Greece that lay near holdings from Germany and the good old U. S. of A. Our first encounter with Germany came in the form of greeting a German settler, which brought us an audience with Chancellor Bismarck in his private chambers. Meeting with world leaders will look and sound different in Civ V, since the game will switch to a full-screen view of that leader in his or her current environment (whether that be in a home office or out at war, for instance), which shows more or less a full-body view of the leader as he or she paces about the room, smiling (or frowning), gesticulating, and speaking his or her native language.

- Chancellor Bismarck will speak full-on German, while General Washington will speak perfect English.

- units will take longer to produce and will eventually come to have upkeep costs associated with them--however, they will also have veterancy along the lines of what was introduced in Civ IV. That is, units that survive various skirmishes will eventually grow in power and may be able to select various bonuses to increase their usefulness and survivability. The Firaxis team, led by designer Jon Schafer, envisions more-intimate, tactical battles in Civ V (based on Schafer's fondness for the classic Panzer General)--generally speaking, you and your neighbors will have fewer military units in play than you might have had in previous games in the series, and they'll last longer and be more valuable.

- The combat demonstration we watched showed a land invasion of America along two fronts, with enemy spearmen guarding General Washington's town on both sides. Our ranks consisted mainly of warriors, spearmen, and a few archers, and though our relatively weaker warriors unfortunately started on the front lines ahead of our spearmen, we were able to use Civ V's new switch move order to have the two units swap positions, and then we pit our spearmen against theirs.

- Washington had built his empire around a one-hex-wide choke point in the mountains and blocked it off with spearmen backed up by archers. Because only one unit can occupy any one hex at any given time, there was no way to pass through the mountains without going through the enemy spearmen--cases like these will require your own archers (and other ranged units) to soften up the front lines. However, archers themselves will be extremely fragile and can be easily decimated if they're engaged in hand-to-hand combat.

- And as it happens, in Civ V, units may no longer be garrisoned inside your cities, so defending your holdings will have two aspects. One--all cities will automatically defend themselves based on their current growth level and any defensive structures you may have built inside. Two--you'll want to make sure you defend your key cities with army units, possibly building fort structures nearby to enhance your defenses. This task may or may not be as impossible as it sounds since Civ V's "conquest" victory condition has been tweaked to require you to capture all enemy capital cities, as opposed to capturing every single city on the map. Again, these are big changes and are really pretty bold--but they seem like they could add real depth and exciting new direction to the series.

- Oh, and one last note--although Civ IV's religion system (which was met with mixed reactions) won't be making a comeback, we're assured by Firaxis that the feature wasn't simply cut without any plans for other new features to replace it. There are definitely more changes afoot for Civ V, and we can't wait to find out more.

Litofsky 03-10-2010 08:09 PM

Thanks, Sabre.

After reading, I think my biggest anticipations are the lack of garrisoning in cities, the full-language videos of foreign leaders, and city-states.

With the lack of garrisoning in cities, it becomes crucial to control the environment; I can see the 'fronts' of war developing in a manner very similar to that of World War I. *prepares plans for fallback trenches, and the like*

With city-states, though, it seems like they'll be able to function in manners similar to a real-life protectorate. Though you won't control their actions directly, a nation wil probably be able to exert a great deal of influence on a friendly city-state. Proxy war, anyone? :p

Ctrl Alt Del 03-11-2010 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Litofsky (Post 2711758)
After reading, I think my biggest anticipations are the lack of garrisoning in cities, the full-language videos of foreign leaders, and city-states.

Yeah, and regarding no garrisoning it's certainly something that'll make the player think more about the terrain use than ever before. I don't remember ever building - and using in the seldom cases I do - a fort on the previous game. But we may now end up having to build numerous fortifications at the expense of an otherwise prolific hexagon.

In the description, the war seems to develop in a very exciting manner. But let's see if the AI does actually offer some interesting challenges.

Litofsky 03-11-2010 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by Ctrl Alt Del (Post 2711889)
I don't remember ever building - and using in the seldom cases I do - a fort on the previous game.

Actually, I found forts mostly useful as air bases. When my cities were nearing maximum capacity, I'd start to store up my fighters (the ones not in carriers, that is) and bombers in spare forts. Though, with only one unit per hexagon, now...

Totenkopf 03-11-2010 09:18 PM

I've used forts in Civ either at choke points or to surround key cities and garrison troops as a barrier to barbarians or enemy forces (though they are usually uselss vs some non-military units).

Sabretooth 03-12-2010 04:24 AM

This thread is doing a fantastic job of keeping a list of everything confirmed in the game.

I'm just going to copy/paste it now with some extra info gleaned here:


CIV's/Leaders/Flavors 17 of 18 Civilizations confirmed

Inca(Confirmed in Swedish PC Gamer through the use of the Quechua Language)
Japan/Oda Nobunaga
China/Wu Zeitein
Arabia/Harun al-Rashid
Mongolia/Genghis Khan
India/Gandhi/City Growth Orientated
England/Elizabeth/Naval Power Orientated
Songhai/Askia/Conquest orientated
Russia/Katherine/City Expansion orientated
Greece/Alexander the Great


Hagia Sofia of Constantinople/Istanbul
The Pyramids and/or The Sphinx of Giza (Shown in trailer at time code 00:16)
Hanging Gardens
The Oracle
Shakespeare's Amphitheater (The Globe Theater) (not known yet if this has been upgraded to a full wonder or is still a national wonder)


City Walls - Gives Defense bonus as well as allowing a ranged attack Shacknews New

Unit Behavior

Now only one each type of unit (Millitary/Air/Economic)hex, this includes cities
Units move 2 Hexs during combat as a base GamerPro
Ranged bombardment
You will be able to swap a unit out with one next to it during battle IGN
Units will take longer to produce than previous civilizations and as well as this they will eventually come to have upkeep costs associated with them potentially reducing the number of units you can maintain at one time. Gamespot
veterancy from Civ4 will be in Civ5 Gamespot
Units are no longer destroyed if they lose a battle The Escapist New

Unit Types
Jaguar Warriors (only concept art, no ingame confirmation)

Terrain Types

Snow, Tundra
Mountains/Hills, Hills provide more Defence
Several types of Forest/Jungle representing the four major land masses of Europe, Asia, Africa & America, wounded units can hide and recover in trees/forests.
Coast/Ocean/Lakes/Rivers Rivers affect those attacking across it.

Luxury Resources

One Luxury Resources is enough for your entire Empire IGN

Strategic Resources

One strategic resources will only allow you to build a limited supply of units that require that resource i.e. one Iron will allow about 5 units bases on Iron IGN

Other Resources

Wheat (2 tiles above the catapults)

Map Improvements

Farms (can now be built on hills)

With a gold down-payment two nations can create a joint research project Computer Bild Spiele
Writing- Unlocks research pacts
Calendar- Needed to see Cotton
Masonry - Allows construction of Walls Gamereactor (time index 2:35)

Cities spread 3 tiles out instead of two
Boarders now only expand at one hex at a time and more difficult terrain will take more time to claim Swedish PC Gamer thought there may be away to use your economy to speed the process up and get a hex before your rivals.
Culturally different City designs Arabic/Asian/African/European Confirmed
There will be "game-specific disadvantages" in having two cities too close togetherGamespot

City States
Provides diplomatic and economic bonuses if pursued correctly, potentially more than what you could get if you took over the city. IGN
Singapore, Rio de Janeiro, Budapest, Florence, Venice, Sidon confirmed. Updated
The cities states will not grow large nor will they compete to win the game like regular civs.Swedish PC Gamer
The player must choose if he is to be friendly, indifferent or hostile towards a city state. Swedish PC Gamer
Gity States can have different mentalities, for instance a militaristic bent, and thus give different bonuses if you befriend them, like warriors.Gamespot
City States also have their own tech tree's 1Up


Will have their own Tech Tree's at least up until the 20th Century era1Up
Have their own Home City that you must destroy to stop them1Up


Civ 5 Will have a more streamlined interface on the main screen IGN
This will be augmented by an in game notification system that directs you to important issues on the map Gamespot


AI now works on four levels, Tactical (unit battles), Operational (The entire War Front), Strategic (Manages the entire empire) and the Grand Strategic (how to win the game) IGN
Once the Grand Strategic AI determines how they want to win the game, each of the other AI levels work in tandem to reach that end goal. This also allows for the most flexibility when dealing with the changing game.

Victory Types

Conquest - You must conquer a certain amount of your enemies Capital Cities IGN

Other Stuff

Trading items and land
New "Civilisation tree" with three different paths that give special bonuses (more concrete information needed) Computer Bild Spiele
Barbarians will continue to expand and advance untill all of their cites are destroyed Swedish PC Gamer
Civ 5 more moddable than Civ 4 IGN
Advisors make their return to Civ 5 IGN
Golden Ages are confirmed
Culture still plays a part in the game
There will be Fog of War Gamereactor (time index 3:40)New

Changes and/or Omissions from Previous Games

No Technology Trading Computer Bild Spiele
Religion and espionage have been removed

Sabretooth 04-09-2010 11:47 AM

Bumping this thread with a curious new bit of info, all taken from the above-linked thread.

'Cities now defend themselves with a set of 'Hitpoints' that need to be taken down to zero before a city can be captured. Units can still help defend cities but instead of just garrisoning inside the city as in previous games, they merge with the city and 'boost' the cities hitpoints.'

This is better than the Civ IV model, where taking a city was an uphill task and if the city was on a hill... I can't think up a pun now.

This looks like they're trying to counter unit-spamming again, because you could essentially throw thirty units into a city to make it invincible. Now you'll have a hitpoint bar to maintain, which will make city defense and attack more balanced for both sides.

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