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HockeyGoalie35 07-01-2010 01:07 PM

Graphics Card Help
 
Hi

I currently have a Nvidea Geforce 8500 GT. when I play republic Commando, the Bumpmapping doesnt work at all(even when set on high)and Unreal Editor crashes on Startup. Is there any fix to this OR what graphics Card should I buy (FANLESS PLEASE!)

Thanks

Astrotoy7 07-01-2010 08:18 PM

The 8500 is a low end card, more designed for basic desktop/multimedia only.

What is your budget for this fanless card?

Im thinking of the Gigabyte 9800GT, but know that the fanless varieties for such cards are always more expensive, and clunkier because they need a large heatsink.

mtfbwya

DarthSlinky 07-02-2010 09:48 AM

What OS are you running, that could be contributing

I probably should buy a new card.

Possible Fixes:
--update/downgrade drivers
--tweak options
--run in windowed mode
--run RC with no graphics card

HockeyGoalie35 07-02-2010 04:23 PM

Well, I run Windows 7 Pro 64 bit

i have fully upgraded drivers, i played around with options of the game, and that nvidia control panal, but no avail

Windowed mode didnt do anything to help either. ill look intot he Gigabyte

Q 07-05-2010 05:25 PM

Unless you're willing to buy and mount a huge aftermarket heatsink, a fanless video card that's worth a damn just doesn't exist.

What are your system's other specs, Hockey?

CPU?
Amount of RAM?
Your monitor's resolution?

DarthSlinky 07-05-2010 08:02 PM

Liquid cooling is another option, but for the money and time it would take...you would be better off with a fan. (Unless you are a extreme overclocker)

HockeyGoalie35 07-05-2010 10:44 PM

CPU- 2394mhz

4G of ram

screen res: 1536x960

and I really would perfer a fanless because of the noise....I hate "misquito" fans

DarthSlinky 07-05-2010 11:21 PM

What is your brand and model CPU (Intel and AMD are very different), model because some have more cores, larger L caches ext...

Nearly every graphics card has a fan, unless you want a heat sink larger then your computer, have a $500+ and want to liquid cool, its a price you will have to pay.

Astrotoy7 07-06-2010 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyGoalie35
Rpublic commando,Unreal Editor

Quote:

screen res: 1536x960
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and I really would perfer a fanless because of the noise
The 9800GT I linkied you to is still an option. If you dont mind paying a bit more, powercolor have a fanless 5750 1GB $149USD

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...750_passiv.jpg

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/News.asp?id=834

Personal 2c: coupling passive cooling and GDDR5 is a recipe for increased power bills and a hot hot hot case! You must be a stickler for the noise. Even my GTX 295 is only is loud-ish when at full load running a high end hame or folding. When youre gaming the volume is usually up so it isnt really that bothersome if you have some decent fans for starters

Good luck with your choice :)

mtfbwya

HockeyGoalie35 07-06-2010 08:15 AM

Ok, I have an intel quad core Q6600.


And whats the difference between:

Gigabyte 9500
And
powercolor 5750

Shouldn't the 9500 be better becasue its a higher number? Or is that just the model name?

(by the way, thanks for all the help:thumbsup:)

Q 07-06-2010 09:35 AM

I know that it's confusing.

You're comparing cards from the two major GPU manufacturers, so, no, comparing model #s won't work. The cards that you're going to want to get familiar with are ATI's HD 4xxx and HD 5xxx series and Nvidia's GeForce 9, 2xx and 4xx series. To simplify things a bit, look in the "Config core" category to compare the different models. Higher #s there denote a more powerful GPU. Keep in mind that, due to architectural differences, 1 Nvidia unified shader is equal to roughly 3.5 ATI unified shaders, which is why ATI GPUs have such a high number of them.

Oh, and you definitely have adequate CPU power and RAM. You would benefit from a much better video card.

Astrotoy7 07-06-2010 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Q (Post 2737173)
1 Nvidia unified shader is equal to roughly 3.5 ATI unified shaders

Q! I barely know what that means :p

@HockeyGoalie: The best way to shop for a card is to choose what games you like and then find benchmarks done on these games by cards you are interested in. Then you simply compare..looking at performance, price (and whatever other factors are important to you like heat/power consumption etc)

eg. Republic commando uses the unreal v2, engine. Benchies for Unreal2 games arent easy to come by for modern cards, but games using the Unreal3 engine will give you a decent idea of how an Unreal2 based game would run.

I quickly sourced some benchies for the 5750 and 9800GT and a couple of Unreal3 games >> COD4 and CODWorld At War.

I also isolated the resolutions relevant to you. Its important to remember that the average frames per second for both cards across both games always is over 60fps. 60fps looks nice and smooth. In fact, most people wont notice 82 vs 75 fps, thats something just the benchmarking app can discern.

The reason for this is becuase of the speed at which the human eye works, but rather than go into that, just remember ; average 60fps or more = good/playable/fun to look at

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...l3benchies.jpg

To read more see of the reviews I used, see some benchies for different types of games >> see here

ATI Radeon 57xx series review at Xbit labs

Gigabyte 9800GT review at Bjorn3D

*nb, They reviewed a card with 512Mb video memory. There *usually* are improvements when the card is 1GB, but it is not double performance ...usually something like 5% (or not at all!) It varies according to title/program of course ;)

hope that is useful info

mtfbwya

Q 07-06-2010 11:33 AM

At your present screen resolution, you could get by with a 512MB card and not notice much, if any difference. You only really need 1024MB for 1080p and above.

HockeyGoalie35 07-06-2010 05:31 PM

Hmm. ok Thanks for the info! I will Most Likly go with the Gigabyte 9800!
Thanks again for all you help!

Q 07-06-2010 08:02 PM

Are you in the US? Do you have a Windows Live account? If so, sign up for Bing cashback, go to Bing.com and search for "video card". Look for Tiger Direct's sponsored link at the top of the page (should read 13.2% Bing cash back) and use that link to take you to Tiger Direct and look for this card. After rebate and Bing cash back, it should come to about $53 and change, including shipping. Just make sure that you jump through all of the hoops correctly.

DarthSlinky 07-07-2010 10:05 AM

Bing Cashback is over...

Quote:

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Q 07-07-2010 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthSlinky (Post 2737510)
Bing Cashback is over...

Read your own quote. It's in effect until July 30. :p

HockeyGoalie35 07-07-2010 10:26 AM

how much money does bing cashback save?

Q 07-07-2010 11:00 AM

In this case $11.88.

Hockey, do you live near a Fry's Electronics? There's an even better deal going on there, but it's in-store only.

By the way, whichever card you get, you're going to have to check and see if your power supply is up to the task of powering it. Graphics cards are power-hungry. What kind of PSU do you have?

Astrotoy7 07-07-2010 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyGoalie35 (Post 2737300)
Hmm. ok Thanks for the info! I will Most Likly go with the Gigabyte 9800!
Thanks again for all you help!

As Q mentions, make sure your Power Supply Unit(PSU) is up the task. If you dont know what you have, best visually inspect it :)

mtfbwya

Q 07-07-2010 11:15 AM

And don't worry, the cost of a better one that could power these cards is less than you would think.

DarthSlinky 07-07-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Read your own quote. It's in effect until July 30.
Dang, I thought that said June. :argh:

HockeyGoalie35 07-07-2010 12:58 PM

I'm 90% sure its a 450 watt supply

Q 07-07-2010 01:08 PM

Should be enough.

Do you live near a Fry's? The deal there is on an EVGA GTS 250 for $49.99, which is more powerful than a 9800GT.

HockeyGoalie35 07-07-2010 01:39 PM

no i do not. the closest one is in illinois. i live in connecticut

Q 07-07-2010 01:53 PM

Neither do I. I thought that I'd throw that out there, though.

Nvidia is going to introduce a new series of low-to-mid-line DX11 cards before too long, so I believe that prices on older Nvidia DX10 cards (especially the G92 models like the 9800/GTS 250) are about to tank.

HockeyGoalie35 07-07-2010 09:34 PM

i read up the specs on the gigabyte 9800. it works for me and im thinking about getting it

ForeverNight 07-08-2010 01:56 AM

if you have a micro center nearby check them out, I picked up a BFGtech GeForce GT220 for ~$60 (I think it was like 64 after tax or something like that) I have no complaints about it and you've gotta love their warranties. Especially since they're still gonna honor them despite exiting the GPU market, iirc.

Q 07-08-2010 08:28 AM

The GT 220 is less than half as powerful as a 9800GT.

Qui-Gon Glenn 07-08-2010 12:41 PM

Speaking about PSU's and their relation to GPU's...

My Dell XPS410 desktop is starting to approach elderlyness. I purchased a new PSU and a GTS 250 about a year ago for it, after the death of my 7900gs VRAM. These sat around doing nothing (and are now in my HTPC) after realizing that Dell loves proprietary design PSU.

The PSU that came stock will do ~375w. I would much rather have around 500w and then run a better GPU on this PC (as Q noted a few posts earlier, the BFG 210 I have now is low grade, like its pal the 220).

Yes, I have looked around, but it just seems that decent PSU options for this brick are hard to come by. Anyone got a source for Dell sized PSUs?

Q 07-08-2010 02:25 PM

That Dell won't take a regular ATX? I was pretty sure that the XPS 410 would.

Qui-Gon Glenn 07-08-2010 02:35 PM

It will not fit... the shape and size are wrong... I feel that I could have used it, but it would have fit poorly and I wasn't really sure how to secure it. It is not a standard ATX psu... it is actually a BTX mobo, which is another reason I will never buy another pre-built.

Q 07-08-2010 02:47 PM

Everywhere online, people say that it takes a standard ATX PSU. Is the housing too big, or something?

Qui-Gon Glenn 07-08-2010 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Q (Post 2737956)
Everywhere online, people say that it takes a standard ATX PSU. Is the housing too big, or something?

It is waaay to big. I have done that same search, found the same results, which led to the purchase. After the fact, I went back to Dell tech and bitched, which led to the link I was looking for (and that should have been easier to find).

Bottom line, it would probably be workable, but I cannot mount it securely as nothing lines up correctly. I would either need an adapter or customize one, which would still leave me needing to mod my case for the fan to blow through a hole and not a wall :rolleyes:

I would like to beef up this PC's GPU from the 210 512mb that is in there now... a decent card, but it cannot handle ME2 nearly as well as I would like.

Q 07-08-2010 03:05 PM

Then the simplest solution would be to migrate the entire computer to a $20 Rosewill case from Newegg that can house a standard PSU.

Me, I'd just mod the case. :p

HockeyGoalie35 07-08-2010 05:21 PM

in theroy. for a card that needs a 450W power suply, would it run ok on a 430W?

Q 07-08-2010 05:27 PM

Almost certainly. The manufacturers tend to exaggerate how much power a card will need to avoid potential problems.

HockeyGoalie35 07-09-2010 09:29 AM

Ok! Gigabyte 9800gt is ordered and should be here next tuesday. wish me luck! :thumbsup:

Q 07-09-2010 11:09 AM

Cool. The difference will be night and day.

HockeyGoalie35 07-09-2010 03:59 PM

Good, thats what i like to hear. right now, i have most my games(quality games like Assasin's creed, Supreme Commander and Modern Warfare 2) on medium-low settings....hopefully that will change


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