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Astrotoy7 07-10-2010 02:43 AM

Kansas Church Protests Comic-Con as Idol Worship
 
It's comforting to know that deluded zealots arent confined to any particular religion!

The Kansas based Westboro Baptist Church is heading over to San Diego to protest against Comic-Con, labelling it as "Idol Worship"

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Westboro Baptist Church Protest Schedule
If these people would spend even some of the energy that they spend on these comic books, reading the Bible, well no high hopes here. They have turned comic book characters into idols, and worship them they do! Isaiah 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made: 9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not. It is time to put away the silly vanities and turn to God like you mean it. The destruction of this nation is imminent - so start calling on Batman and Superman now, see if they can pull you from the mess that you have created with all your silly idolatry.

Reading up on Westboro, it seems like they are quite outspoken on contriversial topics, even theirsite URL is somewhat unpleasant.

An a non-Christian, all I can offer is that these folks are the equivalent of those whacky Islamic clerics that western news sources like to quote.

I am quite certain Westboro is not representative of the feeling of any majority of Christians, and next time you hear from a whacky Islamic cleric, ask that you keep that in mind ;)

If any of you are going to Comic-con, express your First Amendment rights and give these guys the finger on behalf of all comic book fans worldwide :thmbup1:

mtfbwya

Alexrd 07-10-2010 03:43 AM

Isn't the Baptist church another of those fundamentalist churches? If yes, I think we should expect no less from them. Just ignore them as I do.

Anyway, as a catholic christian, I'm not related to those guys and don't want to.

Sabretooth 07-10-2010 03:48 AM

I continue to remain oblivious as to how worshipping idols is any different from worshipping the Christian God.

Trench 07-10-2010 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2738462)
I continue to remain oblivious as to how worshipping idols is any different from worshipping the Christian God.

Keep looking.

Meh. I hate comic-con too. But I hate it because it's full of annoying dweebs who can't hold a conversation. :wonder:

@OT: They just need to take a moment, and remove the sticks from their butts.

Astrotoy7 07-10-2010 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2738462)
I continue to remain oblivious as to how worshipping idols is any different from worshipping the Christian God.

Im with you Sabrez, an idol is an idol. The only thing is that most people at Comic-Con will readily admit Spiderman and his powers have little bearing on the physical world :thmbup1:

mtfbwya

Sabretooth 07-10-2010 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jai'galaar Bralor (Post 2738464)
Keep looking.

That I will, Mr. Hanging Bra, that I will.

RC-1162 07-10-2010 08:02 AM

Last time I checked there wasn't any Church of Marvel or somesuch, so these guys can go **** themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2738462)
I continue to remain oblivious as to how worshipping idols is any different from worshipping the Christian God.

Technically, the Christian God is not represented as an image/idol, so we aren't worshipping a representation of God, but God Himself.

Of course the Church messed up this concept by creating innumerable posters and statues of Jesus everywhere. :fist:

Darth InSidious 07-10-2010 08:11 AM

Doesn't the Westboro Baptist Church consist of about thirty people, most of whom are the family of Fred Phelps, the "pastor"? Isn't it also the "God hates fags" church, with the signs at soldiers' funerals, etc?

Sith Holocron 07-10-2010 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth InSidious (Post 2738502)
Doesn't the Westboro Baptist Church consist of about thirty people, most of whom are the family of Fred Phelps, the "pastor"? Isn't it also the "God hates fags" church, with the signs at soldiers' funerals, etc?

Correct, sir! As a military person going to Comic-Con this year, I'll just have to hope for food poisoning from poorly packed hate lunchboxes.

JediAthos 07-10-2010 08:27 AM

These Westboro morons should be gagged, bound, locked in a very large trunk and shipped to Antarctica. The right to free speech is one of the founding principles of the United States but these no talent a**clowns abuse it to the highest degree.

*edit: and furthermore...they are a hate group of the worst kind along the same lines as Al Qaeda and other extremist groups as they use God as an excuse for their discrimination, and while I'm sure Comicon will ignore them completely the fact that they continue to assemble near the funerals of men and women who died protecting their freedom to be jackasses carrying disparaging signs and shouting things at the loved ones of dead soldiers disgusts me.

*end rant*

Sabretooth 07-10-2010 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-1162 (Post 2738501)
Technically, the Christian God is not represented as an image/idol, so we aren't worshipping a representation of God, but God Himself.

Of course the Church messed up this concept by creating innumerable posters and statues of Jesus everywhere. :fist:

Well yes, that, and also the fact that idol worshippers aren't actually worshipping a little stone figure, but the more powerful deity the stone figure is supposed to represent. Offerings made to the stone figure, are therefore, representative of your devotion to the grande deity de hugeness.

This is something that has long been misunderstood by Abrahamic religions and has ended up with them condemning idol worship, when it is no different from a more visually represented version of their own religion.

Q 07-10-2010 08:55 AM

There are few things more dangerous than a bored Baptist.

Ping 07-10-2010 10:33 AM

Here's an idea: put them and Al-Qaeda in a pit and watch them fight to the death. :dev14:

But seriously, these guys are lower than some of the worst criminals. I swear, I'd give them the finger and yell F-bombs at them in front of my parents - never mind that I'll get punished for it.

Maybe we should let Jon Stewart get his choir and start singing "Go F*** Yourselves!" to their faces...

Astor 07-10-2010 10:59 AM

The man, and his family of inbred lunatics are clearly idiots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Insidious
Doesn't the Westboro Baptist Church consist of about thirty people, most of whom are the family of Fred Phelps, the "pastor"? Isn't it also the "God hates fags" church, with the signs at soldiers' funerals, etc?

He also runs the website godhatessweden.com.

Fortunately we need not worry about him infecting the UK with his stupidity - I seem to remember the last time he tried to enter the UK he was threatened with arrest, along with any members of his 'Church', and he was subsequently banned from entering the UK.

He should be strung up and shot, along with any other Baptists if this is how they see Christianity.

Q 07-10-2010 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ping (Post 2738527)
But seriously, these guys are lower than some of the worst criminals.

And the grand prize for ridiculous hyperbole goes to... :golfclap:

Sabretooth 07-10-2010 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ping (Post 2738527)
Here's an idea: put them and Al-Qaeda in a pit and watch them fight to the death. :dev14:

The sad part is that there are high chances of them reaching an agreement instead.

mimartin 07-10-2010 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Q (Post 2738507)
There are few things more dangerous than a bored Baptist.

Hey I'm Baptist, and I'm usually bored reading threads like this.:xp:

This one is particular funny to me as Fred Phelps worships attention. Little hypocritical of him to have his cult protest Comic-Con for idol worship. Hate to write this, but it is true; Westboro “Baptist” is the one group where I am rooting for the Kool-Aid.

Good job Astrotoy7 at helping give Mr. Fred Phelps and followers get the attention they so desperately crave.:thmbup1:

Q 07-10-2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2738530)
The sad part is that there are high chances of them reaching an agreement instead.

With the inevitable result involving kamikaze airliners crashing into abortion clinics.

Astrotoy7 07-10-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2738533)
Good job Astrotoy7 at helping give Mr. Fred Phelps and followers get the attention the attention they so desperately crave.:thmbup1:

lmao... thats right mimartin, its always the muslim guys fault. How Texan of you :D

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED[/aircraftcarrier]

mtfbwya

mimartin 07-10-2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrotoy7 (Post 2738544)
How Texan of you :D

Your impressions of Texans are shrewd by images on television and the carpet baggers.

Excuse me while I ride the horse out back and check the oil well.:xp:

Jae Onasi 07-10-2010 01:22 PM

Ignore the Westboro idiots, please. I used to live in Topeka where they're based. The 'pastor' has been defrocked by the Baptist church and kicked out, and he's a giant nut. There are about 4 large families in the church, and all they do is run around trolling about how 'God hates fags' and picket at the funerals of soldiers they even suspect are gay. It's horrendous what they do. They are absolutely unreasonable even with the most reasoned of arguments. They have chosen their path. They are a tiny group of people who love to make a ton of noise.

His views are not in line with any of the Baptist conventions. Anyone who wishes to know what the Baptist faith is all about can read the tenets of faith and rules and by-laws of major Baptist organizations like the North American Baptist association and the Southern Baptist Convention.

The only reason they haven't had their children taken away from them and put into foster care is because Kansas is too afraid of legal action from them. Half the people there have gotten law degrees, and they sue at the drop of a hat for the most ridiculous reasons. The state finally got the gumption up to disbar Fred Phelps, but his daughter just continues his work.

DON'T visit their site, DON'T even talk to them. They only get more traction with increased attention and site counts. mimartin is right, they absolutely crave attention, and they try to get it any way they can by saying the most outrageous and controversial things they can. This is not a religious issue, it's a psychological and pathological issue with a very small group of very disturbed individuals. It has absolutely nothing to do with Islam, Christianity, or any other flavor of religion and everything to do with their group narcissism.

The best thing you can possibly do is ignore them.

Miltiades 07-10-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astor (Post 2738528)
He also runs the website godhatessweden.com.

What?! Nobody can hate Sweden, not even God. <insert picture of stunningly beautiful blonde Swedish babe>

Sabretooth 07-10-2010 01:44 PM

This thread is now about stunningly beautiful blonde Swedish babes.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/...edishBabes.jpg

mimartin 07-10-2010 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miltiades (Post 2738565)
What?! Nobody can hate Sweden, not even God.

One thing you can say about Westbro - they hate everyone. Homosexuals are their favorite target, but they also gone after Jews, Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Hinduism and most every country on earth including the United States.

Trench 07-10-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2738572)
but they also gone after Jews,

They seem to forget that the Jews are God's chosen people, and that the rest of us Christians are just getting the table scraps. Not including those loud mouthed *censored*.

It would be most amusing if some returning soldiers found out about the funeral picketing and decided to get even.

Astrotoy7 07-10-2010 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi (Post 2738563)
His views are not in line with any of the Baptist conventions.

This is where non-Christians like me get confused. How can they say they are baptist and not be a baptist? Are their any rules/laws that prohibit them using a particular title if it does not represent the majority outlook.

mtfbwya

mimartin 07-10-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrotoy7 (Post 2738578)
This is where non-Christians like me get confused. How can they say they are baptist and not be a baptist? Are their any rules/laws that prohibit them using a particular title if it does not represent the majority outlook.

mtfbwya

Not a christian issue:
Quote:

Originally Posted by The United States Constitution
Amendment 1 Free of Religion, Press, Expression

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So no, there is no law prohibiting them from calling themselves Baptist and if there were it would be unconstitutional. Thus the inherent danger with laws that protect individual right and freedoms, those same laws protect idiots and people that disagree with your views. Still I would rather it be this way.

TKA-001 07-10-2010 02:35 PM

Nothing like a few fundamentalists to make the whole religion look as stupid as they are.

Still, this is a step up from Cullenistic Christianity.

Jae Onasi 07-10-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrotoy7 (Post 2738578)
This is where non-Christians like me get confused. How can they say they are baptist and not be a baptist? Are their any rules/laws that prohibit them using a particular title if it does not represent the majority outlook.

mtfbwya

They can do it because it's the US and there are freedom of religion/freedom of speech issues at stake in this case. My guess is they've been told to remove 'Baptist' from their church name, but the Westboro-ites decided to leave it there to thumb their noses at the convention, and then threaten the convention with a freedom-of-speech lawsuit if they try to press the issue. This is their usual MO for just about everything. The Baptist convention has more important things than to pursue the issue all the way up to the Supreme Court.

@Jai'galaar Bralor--wrong answer. All that would do is make those idiots into martyrs.
I suspect it's going to be a circus when Phelps dies (hopefully of natural causes), with thousands picketing his funeral, but I'd prefer he died and was buried in utter obscurity, with the rest of the world 'shaking the dust off their sandals' at him.

Q 07-10-2010 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2738567)
This thread is now about stunningly beautiful blonde Swedish babes.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/...edishBabes.jpg

I'll see your bimbo and raise you a Bergman:

http://en.l4c.me/uploads/ingrid-bergman_full550.jpg

:D

Trench 07-10-2010 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi (Post 2738627)
@Jai'galaar Bralor--wrong answer. All that would do is make those idiots into martyrs.
I suspect it's going to be a circus when Phelps dies (hopefully of natural causes), with thousands picketing his funeral, but I'd prefer he died and was buried in utter obscurity, with the rest of the world 'shaking the dust off their sandals' at him.

I wasn't talking something violent. But maybe picketing some of their events and creating websites against them. Not something I would support, but I would find it amusing.

JediAthos 07-10-2010 07:39 PM

There was/is a group of bikers that was countering them for awhile by showing up at the same funerals and either escorting the mourners or drowning out the picketers..I can't remember which nor can I remember the name of the biker group off hand. I just remember reading about it.

Qui-Gon Glenn 07-10-2010 07:55 PM

Evil Q wins this entire thread. When I stop laughing at his comments, and then wipe the drool from my chin from Ms. Bergman, demure dream, and the first girl I wan.. Victoria Silvstedt, I have this to say.

I disagree, mimartin, in a small way about your comment regarding feeding the turd the attention he wants. Yeah, we need to ignore this guy, but at the same time he is such a shining example of stupidity and inconsistency that I feel people need to be aware of this guy and his beliefs. It will scare almost everybody, and the remainder you know who to look out for :wildwest:

My gay roommate brought Phelps and his church to my attention, as he was considering going to an anti-rally to thwart Westboro's rally. What a tool.

HK-42 07-10-2010 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JediAthos (Post 2738674)
There was/is a group of bikers that was countering them for awhile by showing up at the same funerals and either escorting the mourners or drowning out the picketers..I can't remember which nor can I remember the name of the biker group off hand. I just remember reading about it.

Patriot Guard Riders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Guard_Riders

Arcesious 07-10-2010 08:37 PM

Jae you are absolutely correct - you say everything in your post on this matter that I would say in mine.

Astrotoy7 07-11-2010 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Q (Post 2738656)
I'll see your bimbo and raise you a Bergman:

http://en.l4c.me/uploads/ingrid-bergman_full550.jpg

:D

Indeed. Though Ive always been a bit more partial to her daughter, Isabella Rosselini. Seeing her in Blue Velvet when I was 9 inspired and messed me up in unimaginable ways :)

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...0x0640x748.jpg

mtfbwya

Rtas Vadum 07-11-2010 01:32 AM

Um, isn't today's society based on worship of idols, no matter what, or who it is? Sure, it doesn't mean going by every word that comes out of your chosen idol's mouth, but it does mean that you have reason to buy posters, Cds, movies, or whatever else you want. Which also drives the economy, or so it seems.

Maybe most don't worship Batman, Superman, or any fictional famous character to the extent that the Bible mentions, but them saying this now, is a little late. They should've tried that crap around the 40s to the 60s, when it was only a growing market, not a full fledged industry.

Astrotoy7 07-11-2010 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rtas Vadum (Post 2738747)
Um, isn'tThey should've tried that crap around the 40s to the 60s, when it was only a growing market, not a full fledged industry.

There will always be someone who says that they have a direct line to a higher power and that if you dont like 'their guy' then you are following a false idol. Its something common to the big 3 religions and beyond.

It's been going on for Millennia, at least... :thmbup1:

mtfbwya

True_Avery 07-11-2010 07:55 AM

It amuses me that a Religion that uses Art as propaganda is calling out people for not paying attention to their particular Art.

Here is an idea: Use better Art. Right now they've got ugly posters, ugly websites, poor music, and crappy speeches. Also, subtly is your friend.

Alexrd 07-11-2010 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by True_Avery (Post 2738800)
It amuses me that a Religion that uses Art as propaganda is calling out people for not paying attention to their particular Art.

Religion? No need to generalize.


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