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Avisto 07-25-2010 08:13 PM

Essential PC RPGs
 
What are some essential PC RPGs? Strong characters are a must. Naming the obvious ones is fine :).

I also remember reading some post on this forum where a member was talking about a game that was recommended to them, and I think they said something like "All the characters are written up to the level of Kreia." IF one of you could tell me what game that was I'd be grateful.

jrrtoken 07-25-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Avisto (Post 2741980)
What are some essential PC RPGs? Strong characters are a must. Naming the obvious ones is fine :).

I also remember reading some post on this forum where a member was talking about a game that was recommended to them, and I think they said something like "All the characters are written up to the level of Kreia." IF one of you could tell me what game that was I'd be grateful.

Yeah, that's Planescape: Torment. A lot of the plot elements and characters in KotOR 2 were influenced, and in some cases, outright shared from PS:T. Mask of the Betrayer, the NWN2 expansion, also has similar "deep" concepts, and is also developed by Obsidian. :)

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Originally Posted by True_Avery
Planescape: Torment

Wow, you actually played it? :p

Tysyacha 07-25-2010 11:32 PM

Even though it is a) an old game and b) terribly unbalanced in the combat aspect, one of the best RPG's I've ever played is this one by Troika Games:

Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura

I recommend this for its deep characterization, plot that will keep you guessing until the final scenes, and "dumb" (read: hilarious) player dialogue options!

Astrotoy7 07-25-2010 11:55 PM

I think the obvious ones have been mentioned, I would like to throw in A Bard's Tale, which is a musical comedy RPG :)

I'd also at least add the original Dungeon Siege to that list.

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Originally Posted by Avery
Bioshock

If we're going to include customisability of weapons and armour as the base requirement for an RPG, then Assassins Creed 1 and 2 are my picks for that category.

Last but not least, Final Fantasy VII and VIII did exist on the PC, so are also on my list as an essential PC RPGs ;)

mtfbwya

Sabretooth 07-26-2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by True_Avery (Post 2741982)
The Longest Journey
DreamFall
Bioshock

Those aren't RPGs. =_=

And BioShock 2 is more of an RPG than its predecessor was (and both are still crawling toddlers compared to SS2).

TLJ and DreamFall have no role-playing elements whatsoever and are completely point-and-click adventure games (two of the finest, mind you), and if they can make it, so can Grim Fandango, Monkey Island 1, 2, 3 and Professor Layton. :carms:

@Astro: Dungeon Siege? Did you miss the part where he said he wanted "strong characters"? :p Or maybe you appreciate its minimalistic expressionism like I do? :xp:

DarthParametric 07-26-2010 05:05 AM

It's not rambling when they legitimately aren't RPGs. Next thing you know someone will be suggesting COD or Half-Life. The notion of what is and isn't an RPG is a bit nebulous, but you have to draw the line somewhere. The thread is on "essential PC RPGs", not random games that have vague RPG-like qualities.

By the way, on the subject of the original Fallouts, I've just started a new playthrough of FO2 for the first time under Win 7 x64. In the past I had a hell of a time with both (but especially FO1) under XP with refresh issues and the like, but thanks to some awesome mods FO2 is running better now than it ever did. You can get everything you need in the Fallout 2 Restoration Project, over at http://www.killap.net/. Don't worry about the Unofficial Patch on the same site - it's already bundled into the RP. As well as more than 1,000 bug fixes (!!) and restored cut content, it also includes a resolution patch, so you can run it up to whatever your native res is. As with K1 though, the interface doesn't scale, so I had to drop back from 1080 to 720 so I could see wtf everything said. Damn eyes - I think I need a 40" monitor lol. There are some similar fixes for FO1, although not quite to the same extent in size and scope.

True_Avery 07-26-2010 06:59 AM

Fine, posts/list deleted if it mean that much to you all. My apologies for going out of my way to try to help.

List off what you all want; I'm done.

Sabretooth 07-26-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by True_Avery (Post 2742029)
Fine, posts/list deleted if it mean that much to you all. My apologies for going out of my way to try to help.

List off what you all want; I'm done.

Since you have pepped me up back when my old thread was wrecked by silly mods, all I'm going to say is to tell you to cheer up girl! :thmbup1:

Here's the list, in no particular order:

Planescape: Torment
Baldur's Gate 1, 2
Knights of the Old Republic 1, 2
Neverwinter Nights 1, 2 (+Expansions)
Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
Diablo 2
Deus Ex
System Shock 2
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
(some might add Oblivion)
Fallout 1, 2 (and for some, 3)
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Gothic series
The Witcher

Q 07-26-2010 08:23 AM

^I would also add Icewind Dale I & II to that list.

Sabretooth 07-26-2010 08:34 AM

I considered adding them, but from what I know, they aren't really essential games. Not having played them, I can't say much.

DarthParametric 07-26-2010 08:43 AM

Rather than trot out the same old faithfuls as everyone else, might I suggest broadening your horizons to some European fare? Obviously the Gothic series and The Witcher have already been mentioned, but there are a number of RPGs from Europe that have been translated into English, some of which are quite good. A couple that spring to mind that I have played are Drakensang and Arx Fatalis. If you like Gothic there's its spiritual successor Risen, which I haven't played but is apparently not bad.

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2742038)
I considered adding them, but from what I know, they aren't really essential games. Not having played them, I can't say much.

They're not essential certainly, but I'd say they warrant inclusion on an RPG list more so than Diablo (or any of its clones) does.

Q 07-26-2010 08:56 AM

They're on my essential list because I'm quite fond of IE combat, which is what the Icewind Dales are all about.

Mav 07-26-2010 07:55 PM

Minesweeper, it tells the tale of one man, ridding the world of land mines, one 9x9 grid at a time. *salutes*

Dread Advocate 07-26-2010 09:57 PM

the Diablo series is a definate. i dont even know if this can classify as an entire RPG, as some sections are RPG and others arent, Spore. the Cell, Creature and Space stages are the most RPG-like, and the Galactic Adventures expansion makes Space stage even more RPG-ish. any of the Elder Scrolls games and Fallout games. thats all i got.

DarthParametric 07-26-2010 11:04 PM

Spore?! Jesus, I think I'll pull an Avery and take my bat and ball and go home if that POS is getting classed as an RPG.

Miltiades 07-27-2010 01:27 PM

Perhaps a sin to mention games you haven't played yourself, but I'll risk anyway. Wizardry 8 seems to be one of those RPG's that's mentioned in a lot of favorites from RPG developers.

Other than that, yeah, I wouldn't add Diablo + clones, Dungeon Siege and Spore to an RPG list (especially not one of essentials). And Oblivion and Fallout 3 aren't part of any essential list I'd make. I'd even dare say NWN 1 & 2 aren't really that essential, especially from a story perspective, but Mask of the Betrayer should be a must, for sure.

Nor would I add The Longest Journey and Dreamfall to it, but kudos for mentioning them anyway, Avery. ;)

Prime 07-30-2010 01:24 PM

The Baldur's Gate series for sure, but NWN1 is definitely not strong in the character (and party members in particular) department...

Te Darasuum Mandalor 10-05-2010 04:41 PM

Kotor 1 and 2

Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2

Akella's Pirate games (Pirates of the Caribbean (not related in any way to the movie), Age of Pirates, and City of Abandoned Ships.)

Diablo 1 and 2

Mass Effect 1 and 2

Dragon Age 1, 2 and origins

Sid Meier's Pirates

Lord of the Rings, the Third Age.

Also, NWN2 had a great storyline, better than Mask of the Betrayer.

mimartin 10-05-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Te Darasuum Mandalor (Post 2751266)
Also, NWN2 had a great storyline, better than Mask of the Betrayer.

:eyepop wut? That can't be serious. That is like saying Pauly Shore is a better actor than Tom Hanks.

Te Darasuum Mandalor 10-05-2010 06:03 PM

Well, I enjoyed it. I thought it was rather addicting. That is just me.

igyman 10-05-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Te Darasuum Mandalor (Post 2751266)
Dragon Age 1, 2 and origins

:eyeraise: Is it just me, or is something a bit off in this Dragon Age list?

Ctrl Alt Del 10-05-2010 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Te Darasuum Mandalor (Post 2751266)
Dragon Age 1, 2 and origins

I'm a bit confused. What's the DA1 game you mentioned? Also, DA2 wasn't released yet.

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Lord of the Rings, the Third Age.
IMO, it's nowhere near being memorable. Archetypes and clichés wander free on this game.

Te Darasuum Mandalor 10-05-2010 06:45 PM

Sorry, typo back in the dragon age section, lol. I meant Dragon age origins and the awakening.

Mav 10-05-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2751269)
:eyepop wut? That can't be serious. That is like saying Pauly Shore is a better actor than Tom Hanks.

The **** is wrong with Pauly Shore? :carms:

DarthParametric 10-05-2010 09:25 PM

Pirates is not an RPG.

Te Darasuum Mandalor 10-05-2010 09:36 PM

it sorta is if you think about it. a semi rpg

DarthParametric 10-05-2010 09:58 PM

No, its really not. See my earlier rant about including games with vague RPG-like qualities in a list of "essential" RPGs.

Q 10-05-2010 11:30 PM

Pirates! isn't an RPG, but it is fun as hell.

Sabretooth 10-06-2010 12:12 AM

If I installed it again, I don't think I'd ever be able to return to life. :(

Te Darasuum Mandalor 10-06-2010 08:07 AM

same here.


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