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Prime 01-10-2011 12:07 PM

Lord of the Rings: War in the North
 
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/the...ings-the/12895

I am a huge Middle-earth geek, and I REALLY hope this turns out to be a decent game. I like the premise and that fact it isn't a direct movie tie-in, as they also have the rights for the book story. I think there is a lot of potential here...

GeneralPloKoon 01-18-2011 11:29 PM

I definitely hope to check it out!

DarthParametric 01-19-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Prime (Post 2763642)
it isn't a direct movie tie-in

That can only be a good thing (I despise Peter Jackson and his abominations), but it is obviously employing a visual tie-in at the very least and New Line is listed in the trailer credits. I really hope it turns out to be decent as well. It's certainly a franchise crying out for a good RPG.

N-5/Prudii 01-19-2011 12:58 AM

Better not turn out like Conquest, getting our hopes up, and then receiving a bad game...

Prime 01-19-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthParametric (Post 2764984)
That can only be a good thing (I despise Peter Jackson and his abominations), but it is obviously employing a visual tie-in at the very least and New Line is listed in the trailer credits. I really hope it turns out to be decent as well. It's certainly a franchise crying out for a good RPG.

I loved the films, despite some of departures from the novels. I'm hoping it isn't completely film visual-esque, as I love the old aesthetic, but I understand if that is not the case.

Astor 01-19-2011 02:53 PM

I hope this is both a better game and RPG than that bag of **** EA called The Third Age.

Hallucination 01-19-2011 03:22 PM

Legolas seems to have turned into a woman. And Neo.

Bob Lion54 01-20-2011 04:09 AM

Lord of the Rings Online is free to play now. There's all the Middle-earth you need right there.

Darth Payne 01-21-2011 01:57 PM

I do have to admit, i am interested.

DarthParametric 02-09-2011 10:09 PM

Another trailer with some new gameplay snippets:

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The character/creature design seems to me to have been ripped straight from the movies. Sigh.

Pavlos 02-10-2011 05:31 AM

Exclusive to all papers!

Also, is that someone doing a dodgy Ian McKellen-as-Gandalf impression?

Astor 02-10-2011 06:05 AM

I'm still interested, but I hope there's more character options than the rather boring Human = Arche,r Dwarf = Warrior, and Elf = Wizard presented in that trailer.

DarthParametric 02-10-2011 06:44 AM

If you were hedging on stereotypical archetypes, you'd think that Elves would have the specialist archer role sewn up, but apparently not. Judging by the voiceover, it would seem there are 3 preset characters - Human ranger, Dwarf warrior, and Elf loremaster (AKA wizard, apparently). The loremaster is odd - only Maiar and other supernatural entities should be able to cast "magic" in the traditional fantasy sense. Although I guess that wouldn't be awesome enough for their target demographic (who probably love the movies but have no idea wtf a Maiar is).

Salzella 03-11-2011 03:25 PM

^^ I have to admit that would include me. The thing I'm not too keen on is the emphasis on co-operative gameplay, and that if you're playing solo, you're stuck in the shoes of one character most of the time. As a billy no-mates in online gaming this does not appeal.

However, this franchise will no fizzle out for some time yet, and I think it's brilliant they've got both the movie and book deals, means they can do anything they want with the world. Just wish it was a developer with a bit more RPG pedigree. Hand it over to Bioware s'il vous plait...

edit: oooo 1,000 posts. my word.

Liverandbacon 03-12-2011 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthParametric (Post 2766639)
If you were hedging on stereotypical archetypes, you'd think that Elves would have the specialist archer role sewn up, but apparently not. Judging by the voiceover, it would seem there are 3 preset characters - Human ranger, Dwarf warrior, and Elf loremaster (AKA wizard, apparently). The loremaster is odd - only Maiar and other supernatural entities should be able to cast "magic" in the traditional fantasy sense. Although I guess that wouldn't be awesome enough for their target demographic (who probably love the movies but have no idea wtf a Maiar is).

Sadly, that's one of the things I always liked about Tolkien's world. Magic actually seemed magic, because it was so uncommon, Wizards weren't running around everywhere, if I remember, they were pretty much all demigods... and that guy who sang all the time; Tom somethingorother. (Might be wrong, it's been ages since I read the books.)

Pavlos 03-12-2011 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Liverandbacon (Post 2769623)
Sadly, that's one of the things I always liked about Tolkien's world. Magic actually seemed magic, because it was so uncommon, Wizards weren't running around everywhere, if I remember, they were pretty much all demigods... and that guy who sang all the time; Tom somethingorother. (Might be wrong, it's been ages since I read the books.)

Tom Bombadil?

Alexrd 03-12-2011 08:16 AM

The lack of costumization is a big letdown.

Sabretooth 03-12-2011 08:16 AM

Tom Bombadil had the power to stop everything that was going wrong in Middle-Earth, but he just stood there not giving the slightest of ****s because he is the Tom Bombadil. :carms:

DarthParametric 03-12-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Liverandbacon (Post 2769623)
if I remember, they were pretty much all demigods... and that guy who sang all the time; Tom somethingorother.

Yes, as I said, "magic" in the Tolkien universe is restricted to the supernatural races, the Ainur, although certain Elves, like Galadrial and Elrond, obviously have some magic-like power through the use of their constructs (rings, Silmarils, etc.). Tom Bombadil is a Maiar as well, as I recall. The Maiar are basically angels in the supernatural hierarchy, with the Valar as the Greek-like pantheon of lesser gods, with everything created by Ilúvatar, who is the Christian-like supreme being.

Bob Lion54 03-13-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthParametric (Post 2769700)
Tom Bombadil is a Maiar as well, as I recall.

Well, many people have theories, but I'll go with what Tolkien himself said. "Tom is just Tom."

Basically, The Hobbit is a story for children. It's a simple adventure story set in a fantasy realm with colourful characters and places.

When Tolkien set out to write The Lord of the Rings, he initially had the same young audience in mind. A character like Tom Bombadil was fine. As he was writing it though, he came to realize that to tell the story the way he needed to, he had to darken the tone and make it more "adult."

Tolkien went back and edited what he had written. He took out a few things that were frivolous and didn't really advance the plot. (Quite a feat for Tolkien, mind you. :P) When it came to Tom, though, Tolkien just couldn't bring himself to take him out. He loved the character too much to edit him out.

Now, many people want (or desperately desire) an explanation of exactly who Tom Bombadil is and what his true nature really was, but Tolkien himself didn't know. In the end, Tom Bombadil is just a fragment from an earlier draft of the novel that, even though he logically shouldn't be in the final story, is.

DarthParametric 03-13-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Lion54 (Post 2769723)
When Tolkien set out to write The Lord of the Rings, he initially had the same young audience in mind.

That's not true. Allen & Unwin asked him for a sequel to The Hobbit when he pitched The Silmarillion to them. I've never seen any evidence that he set out to write it as a children's book. If anything he deliberately did the opposite.

Concerning Bombadil, while it was never made explicitly clear, it's fairly apparent that he is an Ainur of one sort or another.

Bob Lion54 03-13-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthParametric (Post 2769724)
That's not true. Allen & Unwin asked him for a sequel to The Hobbit when he pitched The Silmarillion to them. I've never seen any evidence that he set out to write it as a children's book. If anything he deliberately did the opposite.

It's all from his letters. He's stated as much when talking about why Tom Bombadil is in the story when he clearly doesn't advance the plot. It's not supposition. It's straight from Tolkien's... er, hand.

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Originally Posted by DarthParametric
Concerning Bombadil, while it was never made explicitly clear, it's fairly apparent that he is an Ainur of one sort or another.

Again, this comes back to what I said earlier. You're trying to logically reason what he must be. Tolkien himself didn't know and wasn't comfortable with trying to label the character as one thing or another within the world of Middle-earth. Hence "Tom is just Tom."

Salzella 03-13-2011 08:46 PM

I have to admit, i like the idea that there are mysteries beyond the author's ken... Tom Bombadil included. to give him a role would be to cheapen him. The great thing about the LotR saga is the amount of unknown.

Primogen 03-22-2011 02:09 AM

Actually, the Elves have magic of their own - Finrod Felagund, son of Finarfin used a song-based magic in a duel against Sauron during the First Age. Middle-Earth has considerably more magic than it appears, it's just rarely bolts of lightning and the like. Just about everything Elves -do- is Magic to some extent.

At any rate, it can't possibly be -worse- than Lord of the Rings: The Third Age. Still doesn't look that good, though.

LordOfTheFish 03-22-2011 10:46 AM

I can't believe I am just now seeing this. I'm very interested, though I'm expecting another flop. Hopefully they won't dissapoint.

DarthParametric 04-13-2011 11:34 PM

Some other trailers -

Brutal Combat (Extended):
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Blood and Steel:
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Art Direction:
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For the combat it seems they are going for a similar thing to Dragon Age's slo-mo deathblows and blood, without going into full retardo gib-fest mode like DA2 did.

Dak Drexl 04-14-2011 11:00 PM

The "blood and steel" trailer makes it look a bit hack-and-slash, but I'm just going to tell myself that it's because they're just trying to showcase the combat as much as possible.

On the other hand, the character customization looks pretty good.

Always did love middle-earth, looking forward to this game very much!

DarthParametric 04-14-2011 11:09 PM

I'm pretty sure they've never sold it as anything other than hack and slash.

Pavlos 04-15-2011 04:14 AM

I don't really understand why the idea of pointless, unaffecting dismemberment and decapitation is considered a selling point amongst so many.

I also fail to see how making a game based around such a thing is 'closer' to Tolkien's original vision. As I understand it, The Lord of the Rings was created to give the languages he was designing a universe in which to live and have significance. Does the blood spill out in some dark and long-obscured tongue? It is also, in the tradition of Anglo-Saxon/Virgilian lament, most certainly not a glorification of violence but a weeping for the age and state of the world.

Sabretooth 04-15-2011 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pavlos (Post 2774265)
I don't really understand why the idea of pointless, unaffecting dismemberment and decapitation is considered a selling point amongst so many.

People like violence. Sad fact.

DarthParametric 04-15-2011 06:54 AM

I like dismembering people as much as the next guy, but I have to admit it did look out of place to me. It's one thing if you are slicing and dicing people with a lightsaber, but that sort of thing with medieval weaponry is a bit over the top. Like I said though, at least they didn't go completely crazy with it like DA2 did.

DarthParametric 05-06-2011 08:47 AM

Gundabad trailer:

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DarthParametric 06-01-2011 12:51 PM

Beleram the eagle preview:

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I see in the vid preview frame a health bar for Elladan and Elrohir (Elrond's sons), so presumably they have some part to play in the game.

DarthParametric 08-03-2011 09:01 AM

Release date announced: November 1 in North America, November 2 in Australia and November 4 in Europe

Taak Farst 08-03-2011 01:32 PM

Can I ask something here.
Why do we wait a couple days after when games are released in America? The games have already been shipped to stores, obviously, so why the added wait?
This isn't a complaint. Serious, curious question.

DarthParametric 08-03-2011 02:13 PM

Some sort of traditional day of the week for new releases apparently.

Sabretooth 08-04-2011 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Taak Farst (Post 2787165)
Can I ask something here.
Why do we wait a couple days after when games are released in America? The games have already been shipped to stores, obviously, so why the added wait?
This isn't a complaint. Serious, curious question.

Someone really needs to ask an industry analyst this.

Qui-Gon Glenn 08-14-2011 02:58 PM

Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo, bright blue his jacket is and his boots are yellow.

Tom, IMHO, is an avatar of Eru Illuvatar, the maker. Could be an Ainur as DP supposes, but to quote Tolkien, "Tom was here first." Goldberry the River Daughter had substantial magic as well...

The Elves always had and made magic, just in a different sense than the Maiar. They put their "magic" into what they made, ie: Feanor and the Silmarils, Galadriel's unbreakable hair, the rope of the Lothlorien elves, etc.

Back to the topic - guess I'll be interested if it is reviewed well by you peeps.

Darth Payne 10-02-2011 06:17 AM

Dunno if anyone here remember(or knows about) this site, figured i'd point it out in case people want to use their own names for characters. :) (i'm assuming that you can name your own characters in this game)

Elves: http://www.chriswetherell.com/elf/
Hobbit: http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/

My elven name: Golradir Séregon
My hobbit name: Wilibald Brockhouse of Loamsdown

DarthParametric 10-02-2011 08:21 AM

There aren't any Hobbits. It's just an Elf, Dwarf and Human. As far as I know, they have preset names that can't be changed.


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