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Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 03:50 AM

Weapon model overhaul project

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To download a complete package of these, please visit this page.

Low priority
Gaffi sticks
Lightsaber hilts
Stun sticks

For an early version for TSL, download this. Please not there will be many models which are not yet replaced. This only adds all the models from the KoTOR release, converted for TSL. As such any new models which were in TSL but not KoTOR will have their original TSL appearance. I am starting work on a full TSL release soon.

Sith Holocron 12-28-2011 04:33 AM

Toasty Fresh, I much as I'd like to see some new weapon models, one thing should take priority over the models. As far as weapons are concerned in KOTOR and TSL, that would be the weapon textures. Somehow I doubt people would be as fixated on weapon models if the makers put in a little extra effort on the weapons skins. The last project I saw that actually dealt with such a thing fizzled out some time ago.

I had a point with all of this, I swear! When you skin your work, please go the extra mile.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 04:55 AM

Yeah that goes without saying. The textures are definitely going to be at least 256x256, probably 512x512.

Sith Holocron 12-28-2011 05:22 AM

I would suggest the 512 x 512, myself.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 05:48 AM

I'll do a texture at 512, get it ingame and see how it looks. I don't want to put too much detail into the textures, it will draw attention away from the rest of the game's graphics. It has to fit into KoTOR's style.

Zhaboka 12-28-2011 11:27 AM

That's actually not a bad point. It's like when you stick a super-high-res Ebon Hawk into the game and it contrasts with all its medium-res surroundings.

Anyways, that second screenie looks awesome, as they all do, but I love the hollow-ish bits on the blaster rifle.

Darth DeadMan 12-28-2011 12:22 PM

The models look quite good, I can't wait to test them with new (not yet released) version of my Vibrosword replacement pack

Rinku 12-28-2011 12:46 PM

Those models look very promising! Very nice job and I hope you stick with this :)

Dak Drexl 12-28-2011 02:22 PM

Very very nice job! I've always wanted a mod like this and like others have pointed out they have not been finished yet. Good luck!

Marius Fett 12-28-2011 02:59 PM

Very nice, I look forward to some ingame pictures. :)

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 06:28 PM

Thanks for the comments everybody!

Finishing up on a texture for the rifle.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 07:53 PM

After 2 hours or so of screwing around with NWMax and MDLOps I finally managed to get it ingame to have a look, but something wierd has happened. I can't really provide a screen as it's difficult to see but basically some pieces of the model seem to be missing UV maps and the texture is all screwed up. I guess I'll have to try importing it again and see if I can get it to work.

Snard 12-28-2011 08:58 PM

I know you just said that in a screenie you cant really see it, but could you please provide one? If you can see it I'm sure others can see it as well, and we can try to help you.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 09:08 PM

I'll post one in a sec. BTW, is there any kind of flying camera mode in KoTOR? I'd be able to show you easily then.

Snard 12-28-2011 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Toasty Fresh (Post 2799852)
I'll post one in a sec. BTW, is there any kind of flying camera mode in KoTOR? I'd be able to show you easily then.

Sadly, its only in the xbox versions of K1 and K2. The best advice i can give is to use another character's first person view(Caps Lock) to look at it.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 09:13 PM

Perhaps I was mistaken, you can get a good view of it here:

And another one in first person.

Snard 12-28-2011 09:28 PM

Hm, can you tell me what the textures are supposed to look like and how they are out of place? I believe i see it, but i just want to be sure.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 09:45 PM

In comparison, here is a render of it. No lighting effects are used so this should ideally represent what you see ingame.

Most of it looks like it should, but some parts are warped, notably the scope, barrel and bipod.

Snard 12-28-2011 09:59 PM

Try to adjust the mapping and maybe the skin, then tell me if it looks any better.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 10:12 PM

Do you mean UV mapping? It can't be that because it looks fine if I import it from the override folder then look at it in Max.

I found a 3-year-old thread with a similar problem.

It's mentioned in there that "detach faces" helps but I've no idea what that means.

Snard 12-28-2011 10:19 PM

What version of MDLops are you using? and what program are you using for the 3D models?

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 10:29 PM

I'm using 3DS Max for modeling and using MDLops 0.5.0. I heard there were problems with 0.6.0 so I rolled back.

Snard 12-28-2011 10:39 PM

I've 3DS Max and gmax. If you have Gmax try using it and see if it works better. Also, what version of 3ds max?

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 10:44 PM

2009 (64 bit).

Snard 12-28-2011 11:00 PM

I heard some people had troubles with 2009. I don't really have much experience with UV mapping and such. One person who might be able to help is Quanon. These things are his specialty.

Toasty Fresh 12-28-2011 11:05 PM

Doesn't matter now, got it working! Just used GMax like you said :)

Thanks a lot. Now I can get back to actually modeling stuff!

EDIT: Think I have everything I need worked out now, here's an ingame screen of the rifle :)

Dak Drexl 12-29-2011 12:42 PM

Just to help in the future, that mapping problem happens to me when I resetxform a lot of the time. What I do is resetxform before I even apply the UVWMap modifiers. After I'm done skinning, I save the UVWMap. I resetxform again and (sometimes it doesn't even mess up) when it messes up again I just apply the UVWMap I had just saved and it works fine. I hope that confusing mess I just wrote helps a little haha...

The model looks great in-game. My only suggestions are that you should check on the lighting; check this thread out and make sure to check out both solutions:

Also I think you should look into adding some slight metal shaders for the models. If you don't know how to do that, just use the forum search for something like "shiny texture", "txi", "CM_baremetal", or something :p

Good job though, I'm liking the models a lot.

Xarwarz 12-29-2011 01:07 PM

Looking grand so far yes it could use a shine to it. and if possible some kind of reflect in the scope so far so good

Fallen Guardian 12-29-2011 01:19 PM

Looks great!

UltimateHK47 12-29-2011 02:14 PM


Toasty Fresh 12-29-2011 03:08 PM

Added some shine. I'd been trying to figure out how to do that for ages :D

Hopefully by the end of the day I should have some screens of a finished Heavy Blaster Pistol and some variants of it :)

Marius Fett 12-29-2011 04:22 PM

That's a vast improvement over the original models, nice work on this!

Might want to turn the CM_BareMetal down slightly however, but that's just my personal opinion. :)

Dak Drexl 12-29-2011 05:31 PM

I agree with Marius, the shine is a little strong. Usually just like a 20% or so opacity level gives a nice subtle shine. But mess around with that.

Toasty Fresh 12-29-2011 05:48 PM

Changed the shine a little bit, looks a bit better I think.

Also finished the heavy blaster.

Marius Fett 12-29-2011 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Toasty Fresh
Changed the shine a little bit, looks a bit better I think.

Oh yes, that looks a lot better, nice job!


Originally Posted by Toasty Fresh

That is such an improvement over the original, it's unbelieveable.

I look forward to seeing what you accomplish with the rest of the weapon models!

Toasty Fresh 12-29-2011 06:33 PM


I'm now having a problem where the unique versions of the Heavy Blaster come up ingame as pure white with normal shading.

I've tried just about everything and it is always pure white. It's not the texture because I tried a different texture on it and it still didn't show properly. There's obviously something wrong with my export and it's not linking to the right texture but I have no idea how to amend that.

Zhaboka 12-29-2011 07:56 PM

Oh gosh, that shine is great! Loads better than the original.

Marius Fett 12-29-2011 08:09 PM

Try opening the ascii model in Notepad (the one you exported from Max) and check that the texture is listed. If not, add it in, save then compile.

Snard 12-29-2011 08:43 PM

Those look amazing. Literally the best blaster models I've seen for kotor.

The blasters you're having problems with kinda look like Uzi's.:)

Fallen Guardian 12-29-2011 08:59 PM

It looks great, although you may want to make the heavy blaster's texture darker in order to be more in feeling with the original game's look.

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