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mimartin 02-15-2012 02:09 PM

What trend in the gaming industry do you find the most troubling?
 
What trend in the gaming industry do you find the most troubling?

1. Online activation and online requirement to play (DRM). 3rd party requirement (Steam to play Skyrim or Origin to play Mass Effect 3).

2. Along the same lines. Digital distribution the move towards no longer having a physical copy and only being able to purchase the game from certain digital distributors (exp Origin)

3. Streamlining games in an attempt to make them more attractive to a wider audience.

4. More and more games being made with consoles in mind and PC just being a ported after thought.

5. More games trying to add multiplayer/co-op

MsFicwriter 02-15-2012 02:25 PM

My main gripe is with the DRM (why, why, WHY, especially if it's a single-player game), but I'm also disgusted with the fourth option. Example: Skyrim. The controls on PC are simply maddening for me, and I don't own a console, so there you have it.

ChAiNz.2da 02-15-2012 02:41 PM

DRM for sure. :carms:

While I LOVE Steam.. I don't think it should be a requirement for others who are not so fond.
I can only imagine the RAGE I'd feel if I were required to use Origin... (I play ME on console :xp: )

Alexrd 02-15-2012 02:41 PM

"1. Online activation and online requirement to play (DRM). 3rd party requirement (Steam to play Skyrim or Origin to play Mass Effect 3)."

This, without a doubt.

Mandalore5 02-15-2012 04:58 PM

I'd vote for all of them if I could, but I mainly hate the fact that I can't actually get a physical game. If a PC/console dies, and I don't have a disc to reinstall it with, then what would I do? It's far more reliable to actually have a hard copy.

mimartin 02-15-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandalore5 (Post 2804593)
I'd vote for all of them if I could, but I mainly hate the fact that I can't actually get a physical game. If a PC/console dies, and I don't have a disc to reinstall it with, then what would I do? It's far more reliable to actually have a hard copy.

Can't speak for the rest (don't have them), but with Steam, you just redownload them. It is just like magic or having the disc, only you can't lose the disc or scratch it up. ;)

Totenkopf 02-15-2012 05:34 PM

Voted Yoda, NOT b/c there aren't problems, but b/c several of the options all seemed equally bad to me. Both DRM and lack of physical copy bother me about the same. If I'm gonna play a game, I at least want it on the disc I bought. Having DLable backups (like w/Steam, etc..) IS good, but not a substitute. #5 bothers me least, as long as the MMO type content isn't really integral to the story itself (but mostly an op to rack up a body count or just kill time, for instance). Streamlining and platform issues are in the middle with this group of options. ME3 is likely (along w/maybe TOR) to be my last vid game purchase for quite awhile.

Lynk Former 02-15-2012 09:56 PM

In many ways digital distribution implies DRM to begin with... of course not always, just look at Good Old Games... but yeah, still.

Platform issues can go the other way too of course, PC games that get horrid console ports but no one seems to complain about that since I've found that console owners are more open to having multiple platforms available to them to begin with.

M@RS 02-15-2012 10:36 PM

Yoda for, Online activation and online requirement to play (DRM) and Console Designed/PC Ported.

Sabretooth 02-16-2012 12:01 AM

DRM can be gotten around, but a game made for consoles and ported to PC remains a waste.

Pho3nix 02-16-2012 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2804657)
DRM can be gotten around, but a game made for consoles and ported to PC remains a waste.

Yeah, this.

Lynk Former 02-16-2012 06:21 AM

Sabre's only miffed about consoles because he pirates all his games and you can't really do that cheaply or for free with consoles... at least newer ones that aren't handhelds since you can easily download emulators and roms for the older and less powerful ones :p

Alexrd 02-16-2012 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2804594)
Can't speak for the rest (don't have them), but with Steam, you just redownload them. It is just like magic or having the disc, only you can't lose the disc or scratch it up. ;)

And with Steam, you have to hope someone doesn't hack your account or you don't get banned for some reason... I know cases where people were banned without doing anything wrong. And they don't give any explanation.

That's the problem of being dependable of 3rd party software or servers. You don't have any control over what you legally payed for. On GOG for example, you do have your account where you can download the games you legally bought any time you want. But if you choose to download the .exe and save it on a disc, hard drive, whatever, you can. And you won't ever need any kind of activation or login to play the game. It yours.

LordOfTheFish 02-16-2012 10:25 AM

I haven't played any PC games lately, but DMR takes the cake on this one.

mimartin 02-16-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexrd (Post 2804681)
I know cases where people were banned without doing anything wrong. And they don't give any explanation.

I don't know anyone that has been banned, but I have read about that on the internet.

I also read about people being banned from bioware or EA's website, have their game in their hands, but still can't play it because of the ban. Again, don't know anyone that was banned, but I have read it.

I'm not losing any sleep over it, I've just decided not to post on Bioware or EA's official websites or even Steam for that matter. I'll post here and wait for Lynk to ban me, he has no control over my games though.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 02-16-2012 11:16 PM

DRM takes the cake for me.

Runner up would be console ports.

What about DLC? Is anyone still annoyed about those things?

Alexrd 02-17-2012 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2804781)
I'll post here and wait for Lynk to ban me, he has no control over my games though.

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former

:p

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Originally Posted by JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan (Post 2804788)
What about DLC? Is anyone still annoyed about those things?

Yes. Although generally I can wait for the GotY edition or similar where it comes with all DLC. But I still hate it, though.

Scorge 02-18-2012 08:31 AM

Why is the option "Yoda" on pretty much every poll? LOL

d3sd0 02-18-2012 05:16 PM

Yoda simply because almost all of the other options bother me.

joesdomain 02-21-2012 02:05 PM

I am worried about all this online video gaming. I have been a single player video gamer all my life through PS1, PS2 and now PS3. It just discusts me that Lucasarts chose a online only game for PC for the Old republic. Where is non-online single/multiplayer Star Wars Battlefront III for consoles? Star Wars Battlefront I and II were Lucasarts highest selling video games to date. Why cancel the series after making all that money?

Alexrd 02-22-2012 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by joesdomain (Post 2805152)
Why cancel the series after making all that money?

Who said they cancelled the series?

Lynk Former 02-22-2012 08:16 AM

They don't cancel anything at LucasArts, they just stop making stuff. It's not a very difficult concept to grasp... technically TOR isn't even a LucasArts game, it's a BioWare game.

LA does nothing.

mimartin 02-22-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MrObiWan (Post 2804907)
Why is the option "Yoda" on pretty much every poll? LOL

Same reason polls have "None of the above" in them. It gives people something to vote for even if they do not care enough to think about it. Besides "it is tradition and I'm traditional kind of guy." no clue what movie/tv show that line is from

Alexrd 02-22-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2805231)
LA does nothing.

When they hire a developer for a Star Wars game (Jedi Outcast, KotOR, TOR, and many others), LucasArts always takes care of the sound design.

Lynk Former 02-22-2012 07:16 PM

You mean grab pre-existing assets from the huge archive of Star Wars sounds and music in Lucas' empire and forward it to those developers?

Jae Onasi 02-23-2012 01:29 AM

I voted for DRM, but the other thing that really bugs me is 'day 1 DLC'. Why the hell not include it in the game in the first place?

Sabretooth 02-23-2012 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jae Onasi (Post 2805346)
I voted for DRM, but the other thing that really bugs me is 'day 1 DLC'. Why the hell not include it in the game in the first place?

Working with that argument fundamentally undermines the idea of DLC altogether. Why charge for extra tidbits you have cooked up after the actual game's development? Why not just give it away like you do with patches?

Hallucination 02-23-2012 02:19 AM

Yoda, that mothertrucker is showing up everywhere nowadays.

Alexrd 02-23-2012 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2805309)
You mean grab pre-existing assets from the huge archive of Star Wars sounds and music in Lucas' empire and forward it to those developers?

Probably. It may not look much, but it saves a huge time during a game development.

Lynk Former 02-23-2012 10:14 AM

Yeah... the company that made games such as X-Wing are now simply errand boys... kind of like how Rare Ware made games such as Donkey Kong Country and Perfect Dark and now look at where they are... they're nowhere really, they do practically nothing but still exist.

Q 02-26-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2804657)
DRM can be gotten around, but a game made for consoles and ported to PC remains a waste.

Pretty much. For me it's a tossup between DRM and the consoletardation of PC games.

joesdomain 02-26-2012 08:16 PM

Instead of giving us Star Wars Battlefront III. They have two handheld only spinoffs nd release video games based on Star Wars The Clone Wars TV series and Lego Star Wars games. I am sure they probably broke even financially.

Alexrd 02-27-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joesdomain (Post 2805716)
Instead of giving us Star Wars Battlefront III. They have two handheld only spinoffs nd release video games based on Star Wars The Clone Wars TV series and Lego Star Wars games. I am sure they probably broke even financially.

No. First, they are not stupid. They know Battlefront III is a most wanted sequel. And as you know, they were already making it for some time. If not for the company making it (Free Radical) went bankrupt, we would already be playing it. Second, they didn't just released the spin-off NDS games of The Clone Wars (and its Lego counterpart). They've also released TFU and TFUII, and SWTOR (whether you like them or not is another issue).

Sith Holocron 02-28-2012 07:51 AM

I chose "Online activation and online requirement to play (DRM)" but "Console Designed/PC Ported" isn't far behind. I'm in the military and an online option isn't feasible if I'm attached to a unit that's out to sea. For the second choice, I guess I'm really sick of looking Best Buy, Gamestop, Walmart, or any of the "big box stores" and seeing only a few PC games yet seeing so many console games available. I do have a Xbox 360 which I've hardly used and a Wii but when I feel like gaming, it's to the PC I usually go. Let's be honest - modding a game isn't something you'd seek a console out for, it's a PC.

Lynk Former 02-28-2012 12:53 PM

Developers and publishers don't find profit in the modding of PC games, they find profit in the selling of console games. Until you can find a way for PC developers/publishers to profit as greatly as they have with console games, you're all out of luck.

Kurgan 02-29-2012 12:18 AM

I wanted to get the demo for the latest Aliens Vs. Predator game. Turns out steam pulled it, so now I can't play it, even if I download it from elsewhere! So while the DRM thing is pretty annoying, [exclusive] digital distribution has its drawbacks as well.

I'll agree console designed can also be annoying (see the Force Unleashed games).

Lynk Former 02-29-2012 02:30 AM

So basically...

PC port of a console developed game = BAD?
Console port of a PC developed game = I don't care I own a PC!

ChAiNz.2da 02-29-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2805941)
So basically...

PC port of a console developed game = BAD?
Console port of a PC developed game = I don't care I own a PC!

Pretty much the mentality I've seen around.

Could be worse though.. developers could say "piss on ya PC owners" and not even bother with a port. Because I can guarantee that if they (developers/studios) had to choose.. the PC is on the lo$ing $ide. ;)

Lynk Former 02-29-2012 03:31 PM

So with that last post and it's use of the $ symbol, I'm assuming that people think the following...

Game developers and publishers = charity organisations set up just for them

ChAiNz.2da 02-29-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2806000)
So with that last post and it's use of the $ symbol, I'm assuming that people think the following...

Game developers and publishers = charity organizations set up just for them

huh? :raise:

I'm just calling it like I see it. More money to be made making console games = pc on the losing side. No delusions of charity in the statement, just cold hard fact about the gaming/development trend.

I seem to recall a similar statement. ;)

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2805859)
Developers and publishers don't find profit in the modding of PC games, they find profit in the selling of console games. Until you can find a way for PC developers/publishers to profit as greatly as they have with console games, you're all out of luck.



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