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birthdaycake13 03-28-2012 11:21 AM

Whats your opinoin on SWTOR in relation to the kotor series?
 
Whats your opinion on swtor in relation to the kotor games? personally i was disapointed considering it was the least bit similar to kotor in any way or form. Just leave your opinion below :)

Alexrd 03-28-2012 01:28 PM

It's more expensive.

Sabretooth 03-28-2012 01:54 PM

It does not exist.

Astor 03-28-2012 02:14 PM

It's great. :p

adamqd 03-28-2012 02:51 PM

It has the potential to be great, and in time may be the time-sink SWG was for me, but it is quite the chore pre and post level 50. Patch 1.2 could bring some more fun now there is a new Warzone n' stuff.

TKA-001 03-28-2012 06:44 PM

I'm only interested in the books. So far I think they've been pretty good.

Qui-Don Jorn 03-28-2012 06:55 PM

TOR is excellently awesome and fun.

In relation to the KotOR series? No relation...TOR is better,..by leaps and bounds.
KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?

Alexrd 03-28-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuai-Donn Jorn (Post 2808591)
KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?

What?

Must... not... reply...

Darth Avlectus 03-28-2012 08:40 PM

Books: entertaining. Only Deceived and Revan have had any bearing whatsoever on the game as best I can determine.

Fatal Alliance has yet to bear any significance. None of the characters from it have solidly shown up in the game.



Gaming wise, can't comment. Have not played.

Story wise...neutral: it's a continuation if ever so minor about the sith emperor. That is about the only direct relation...and maybe one or two other characters. Keeping spoilerifics to a minimum, I don't think this is the last we've heard from Emperor Vitiate. Still a Work In Progress. Other than the ancient tyrant's connection to the KOTOR games, and apparently a few references (or so I am told) and some familiar character names there is no other connections.

What I don't like is the fact that it is an MMO you have to pay subscriptions to, but we've been through this before. Basically I believe when you buy a game, that should be all, save for DLC. But ce' le vie, this is what it is. So if they are determined to keep working on it and adding to it, I'm fine with that. They're listening to what we the fans are saying, and have been saying. Well, some of us.

I hear the complaint that "it doesn't revolutionize MMO gameplay". Just so long as it plays SOMETHING resembling KOTOR games and actually feels like Star Wars, I don't have much problem there as this will be my first MMO anyways. And probably the last. What it does do is add more storylines and voiced dialogue than any other has to date.

SWTOR is probably the reason this forum is beginning to come back a little.

I like that I'll be able to connect with some friends over long distances, and maybe get to "cyber hangout" with some people here.

To sum it up, I could take it or leave it. I'll take it for a time when I am able. But it's expensive, and it will be expensive to get to that point.

Canderis 03-28-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuai-Donn Jorn (Post 2808591)
TOR is excellently awesome and fun.

In relation to the KotOR series? No relation...TOR is better,..by leaps and bounds.
KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?

3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.

Hallucination 03-28-2012 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Canderis (Post 2808605)
3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.

I don't think he meant 3 days of playtime.

You do take breaks, right?

Lynk Former 03-29-2012 12:15 AM

I was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause TOR is awesome :carms:

DarthParametric 03-29-2012 12:35 AM

They are two Star Wars games set roughly in the same time period. That's as far as it goes. They have about as much relation to one another as Republic Commando does to Force Unleashed.

Canderis 03-29-2012 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hallucination (Post 2808608)
I don't think he meant 3 days of playtime.

You do take breaks, right?

yes. still 9 hrs.

Qui-Don Jorn 03-29-2012 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexrd (Post 2808598)
What?

Must... not... reply...

Whynot? Go 'head.

I have no clue about comic books and novels and whatnot..so I'm not commenting on all that. I was just talking about the games..

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3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.
Oh,..ok...well then there ya go! :) 10 or 12 hrs..
I don't know playthrough time...but you get my point. TOR's an MMO so it's huge.

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was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause TOR is awesome
I agree.
Well, I wasn't ever in that camp, so I never gave a rat's. But I did enjoy the games as they were..having only discovered them two years ago.

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Other than the ancient tyrant's connection to the KOTOR games, and apparently a few references (or so I am told) and some familiar character names there is no other connections.
They HAD to put refrences to the old games in because it was demanded by... oh, uh, nevermind. They did do a really good job of ignoring TSL though...and patting themselves on the back for the original KotOR.:rolleyes:

mimartin 03-29-2012 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2808611)
I was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause TOR is awesome :carms:

Ditto.

I was no way in hell I'll play a MMO camp, but I'm glad someone talked me into it.

Still not a fan of MMOs, but I am a fan of TOR. One of the big things to me when comparing it to KotOR and TSL is I don't have to play as a Jedi. I can be a hawt, green, female Han Solo.

Qui-Don Jorn 03-29-2012 02:52 AM

..or a fat green alien in heavy armor with a huuuuge...


..gun.

Lynk Former 03-29-2012 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2808624)
but I'm glad someone talked me into it.

:p I'm sure.

adamqd 03-29-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexrd (Post 2808598)
What?

Must... not... reply...

Qft!

Giant Graffiti 03-29-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Canderis (Post 2808605)
3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.

Big deal. This guy can beat it in 2 hours. :carms:

e:
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Originally Posted by TKA-001 (Post 2808590)
I'm only interested in the books. So far I think they've been pretty good.

"The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion."
...
"Revan's head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression."

Bob Lion54 03-29-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gιygαs (Post 2808642)
"The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion."
...
"Revan's head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression."

That's worse than Spike's poetry from Buffy the Vampire Slayer... and the poetry was supposed to be bad.

adamqd 03-29-2012 12:47 PM

sounds like my attempts at RP lol

The Doctor 03-29-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2808577)
It does not exist.

This.

Lynk Former 03-29-2012 04:57 PM

He just says that cause he can't pirate it :carms: :p

mimartin 03-29-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2808658)
He just says that cause he can't pirate it :carms: :p

Thank the maker, I was starting to think I just imagined playing it. :xp:

TKA-001 03-29-2012 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gιygαs (Post 2808642)
"The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion."
...
"Revan's head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression."

Somewhat appropriately, Revan is admittedly the weak link of the three, though decent as far as the larger EU is concerned (if you want some real beige prose, check out any of the movie novelizations other than RotS). Kemp's and Williams' contributions had (among other things) the advantage of not being shackled to predetermined foregone conclusions in their plots.

Prime 04-05-2012 05:39 PM

The KOTOR comics are awesome.

Giant Graffiti 04-05-2012 07:59 PM

^^^

I thought so too, until the artwork started looking like this:

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and when that ridiculous time-travel nonsense subplot began.

e: tinypic is horrible.

Sabretooth 04-06-2012 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2808658)
He just says that cause he can't pirate it :carms: :p

Ehh I don't really like what they did with Revan and the general setting of of the game, which appears to be custom-tailored for MMOing. Another Sith invasion which the noble Jedi have to fight off in an epic war? Haven't we done that a million times already?

It's also ridiculously hugging the original-trilogy aesthetically. For all its OT homages, KotOR maintained a distinct style that made it look like its own franchise.

I've heard a lot of good things about TOR, mind, especially the story, but really, in relation to the KotOR games, this game is non-canon for me.

Lynk Former 04-06-2012 03:31 AM

I was kidding Sabre :p

That... and people who haven't actually played TOR get the setting wrong thinking it's, as you said, another epic war where the Jedi fight off the Sith. I've discovered through playing multiple characters that it's a hell of a lot more nuanced than that and that there's a lot more going on than meets the eye since there's a greater story being weaved through the multiple class storylines.

Also, what they may or may not have done to Revan in TOR isn't that bad as people try to make it out to be. I also have to point out that what The Old Republic has shown us at this point is only the beginning of the story that BioWare has planned. Again, while playing through multiple characters, I can see that there's more ahead very clearly and that things are going to be related back to KotOR.

As for aesthetics, there have been some changes since beta and since early access/release and even more changes coming in 1.2 and 1.3 onward which introduce more unique designs into the entire game. It seems pretty clear that at first they wanted to create a hook for regular Star Wars fans to hold onto with their design decisions but they're moving away from the more familiar designs into more unique ones now.

As for my judgement about TOR. I love the game as a Star Wars game but it's going to take a few years for me to decide how I feel about it in relation to where it fits into KotOR since I know there's still a lot of story left to explore with it. I want to see where it leads into the future before I make up my mind.

In the meantime, I've been having a hell of a lot of fun with all of the other LFN members here and we've gotten ourselves a nice guild started on both sides. Things are good all round with the game and our community interaction in the game.

Rtas Vadum 04-06-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2809264)
Also, what they may or may not have done to Revan in TOR isn't that bad as people try to make it out to be. I also have to point out that what The Old Republic has shown us at this point is only the beginning of the story that BioWare has planned. Again, while playing through multiple characters, I can see that there's more ahead very clearly and that things are going to be related back to KotOR.

Though it is their own character, I find the direction quite interesting. From a character that was lauded off as unique given the stance(which might just be my own wishful thinking for the character), that they would use any means to achieve their goal, and it doesn't matter what's thrown in their way. Even more, Revan was willing to chose the dark side, knowing the risks, but still willing to use it anyway. Which might be only a stance that Obsidian gave Revan, but It only made the character more interesting(namely since TSL went with any possibility the first ended with, where TOR just leaves the ending of the second in the dust, while assuming things abut the first[which are true, but only light-sided]).

Now, of course, it becomes wiped down to Revan never having embraced the dark side for any reason, always being the Jedi at heart, and worst of all, made a pawn for this mysterious Emperor, alongside being captured. Compound this with the Exile's fate, and I can't have much of a like for the game. Unless there is more to it than that, which I find hard to follow.

Not that I intend to bash it entirely, as the rest of the story/game might just be great. Though I don't think I would ever intend on buying a game that hinges on paying for both the game itself, and another 20$+ every month, never mind the need for internet access(might be a single-player mode, without needing it, but still...).

Lynk Former 04-06-2012 11:55 AM

Funny, I don't remember it happening that way when I played the Revan parts in TOR. Though I can see how a lot of people see how it would be like that.

There are many points in TOR where it's made clear that Revan did embrace both the light and dark side and while he is against the Emperor and the state of the Empire as it is, that doesn't mean he's always been a Jedi at heart. I certainly never got that impression from the information I got from the game.

RevMg 04-06-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2809282)
Funny, I don't remember it happening that way when I played the Revan parts in TOR. Though I can see how a lot of people see how it would be like that.

There are many points in TOR where it's made clear that Revan did embrace both the light and dark side and while he is against the Emperor and the state of the Empire as it is, that doesn't mean he's always been a Jedi at heart. I certainly never got that impression from the information I got from the game.

Oh, but the problem with TOR is that it lacks subtlety of KotOR2. This whole light and dark side is limited only to the fact he can use Force lighting. (The Forge is in fact more of a prove of his insanity than anything else).

Not to mention with TOR they made Revan the Emperor's victim. While before TOR Revan was the only one you could count responsible for what he had done, after TOR we learn that he was just mind-controlled. (Yea i know that part about getting free from the influence of the Emperor, but still his mind was altered, he did sth he did not believe in the first place).

So while KotOR2 gave us Revan, a character who lost faith in the Jedi Code after seeing the horrors of war, who was willing to do what he belived in what led him in the end to become a Sith Lord (out of arrogance we may add).

TOR gives us Revan who was always Jedi at heart. Only that his pure intentions were corrupted by the Emperor. For me it makes him less interesting, one dimensional character.

Lynk Former 04-06-2012 01:39 PM

I guess I must have played a different TOR then.

EDIT: And yes, there are two different versions of Revan's fates based on the Republic and Imperial flashpoints, this I know. The point I'm trying to make is that from what I saw, Revan hasn't become that one dimensional character people seem to claim. In fact, the game has gotten me interested in what will happen with him as more story content is released.

RevMg 04-06-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2809289)
I guess I must have played a different TOR then.

EDIT: And yes, there are two different versions of Revan's fates based on the Republic and Imperial flashpoints, this I know. The point I'm trying to make is that from what I saw, Revan hasn't become that one dimensional character people seem to claim. In fact, the game has gotten me interested in what will happen with him as more story content is released.

Then you must have played different game, bc the fate of Revan is the same regardless of which side you play. The point is, that first Republic frees him, then Imperials do their thing.

Out of curiosity, what was the thing that got you interested?

Lynk Former 04-06-2012 03:33 PM

Duh, I forgot about the chronological progression. My mistake, only played through the two Imp flashpoints once awhile back and the asshats I was playing with rushed through the entire thing.

As for the end of The Forge, we don't know his fate, but it seems pretty clear that he has more of a part to play in the future.


...and got me interested in what?

mimartin 04-06-2012 03:39 PM

I've played the same game as Lynk....

I liked Revan best in the smugglers story line so far, because she is largely nonexistent there. A few bones here and there, but about what you would expect from some ancient history. Of course I always felt Revan was a one dimensional character from the moment of the big twist in KOTOR. TSL made her slightly more interesting, but I found the Exile to be a way more interesting character than Revan. I would have been happier with TOR if BioWare would have left Revan out of the entire game, not because of what they did in TOR, because they ruined my playable character in KOTOR with the big twist.

Shem 04-07-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuai-Donn Jorn (Post 2808591)
KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?

I don't think you realize that KOTOR is going to be a 9-year-old game this summer! I saw a trailer for KOTOR 10 years ago.

Hassat Hunter 04-07-2012 04:13 PM

I rather have 3 days story than 1 month MMO-grind with the same amount of story thrown in.

I got tired real really fast of combat during the weekend demo. And that's just to lvl 15, starter levels and 4 days...

Lynk Former 04-07-2012 04:56 PM

That's why you play with your friends in an MMO.


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