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Boba Rhett 06-10-2013 11:12 PM

The PS4 - The Console Wars Are Over
 
OH. MY. GOD. Anyone else just watch the Sony conference? They easily win this generation.

-Used games.
-No DRM.
-100 dollars less than Xbox. $399.
-Screw you, Microsoft.
-Flawless victory.


You should be so very ashamed of yourselves, Microsoft. You betrayed your fans. I loved you once.


What could Microsoft possibly do to counter this? Me thinks there's a lot of soiled pants at MS HQ right now.

Also, this.

Discuss.

Lynk Former 06-10-2013 11:30 PM

Gonna pre-order it... launch day for me. Going to skip on the Xbone. What more is there to discuss?

Bob Saget 06-10-2013 11:46 PM

I'll stick iwth my Ps3 for a bit then move to PS4, mostly since GTA5 will be on PS3.

And hahahaha you failed Microsoft. ._.

Dread Advocate 06-11-2013 12:53 AM

How's this for lolz?

*~*Darth pOOba*~* 06-11-2013 01:37 AM

It was said that they would destroy the cash cows, not join them! Bring balance to the gaming world! Not leave it with disappointment!

You were my bother Microsoft! I loved you!












:xp:

The Doctor 06-11-2013 01:27 PM

As a die-hard Sony hater, it pains me to admit that some of the games previewed today have got me itching for a PS4. Especially The Order: 1866.

DarthParametric 06-11-2013 02:26 PM

Seeing as Sony just alluded to 3rd party titles having DRM at the discretion of publishers, don't be surprised if PS4 essentially ends up identical to the Xbone in terms of things like used games/ownership. Might want to hold your horses on declaring a winner when the war hasn't even started yet.

Boba Rhett 06-11-2013 04:44 PM

But 3rd party titles already essentially have DRM at the discretion of publishers.

For arguments sake, lets set aside the used game issue. Even without that plus, how is Sony not outshining Microsoft in every category of interest to the average gamer?

Alexrd 06-11-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthParametric (Post 2833827)
Seeing as Sony just alluded to 3rd party titles having DRM at the discretion of publishers, don't be surprised if PS4 essentially ends up identical to the Xbone in terms of things like used games/ownership. Might want to hold your horses on declaring a winner when the war hasn't even started yet.

They said no online authentication on retail discs. That's as good as it can get (if I were a potential buyer).

DarthParametric 06-11-2013 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boba Rhett (Post 2833839)
For arguments sake, lets set aside the used game issue. Even without that plus, how is Sony not outshining Microsoft in every category of interest to the average gamer?

Given that used games/sharing seemed to be the number one thing pre-E3 that people were getting their panties in a twist over, it seems odd to suddenly disregard it. But fine, for the sake of argument, let's leave aside all redistribution of games (be it resale/secondhand, lending/sharing, as they are all effectively tied together). What then, in your opinion, are the other pressing categories of interest to gamers where the PS4 comes out ahead?

Boba Rhett 06-12-2013 12:17 AM

...Aside from the games Sony actually showing off not being ho-hum, QTE fests, or rehashes, no online requirement, no disc based DRM, the actual support of indie games, and the $100 cheaper price tag I guess I can't think of a single thing.

I was never disregarding the used games issue. Merely setting it aside for a moment to point out that there are a lot of reasons Microsoft is losing. Now, please, take a moment to explain to us why Sony isn't winning. http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsys...ot-allears.gif

DarthParametric 06-12-2013 12:26 AM

Nobody is "winning". The consoles aren't on sale for months yet. Sony has got some PR one-upmanship over MS in the last couple of days, sure, but what does that actually equate to in the end? We won't know until launch day and the following weeks/months/years. My guess is that it won't amount to squat. Both systems will likely sell out at Xmas. Whether one system ends up dominating in the long term, I have no idea. I suspect though that it will remain a fairly close race, much like the current gen.

Trench 06-12-2013 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthParametric (Post 2833868)
...in your opinion, are the other pressing categories of interest to gamers where the PS4 comes out ahead?

XBox One has the Kinect always on, has to approve all the games you play, and requires you to check in with Microsoft every time you want to play.

It's like Big Brother and my mother all rolled into one. :xp:

Lynk Former 06-12-2013 05:32 AM

@ DP: I saw the interview with Tretton. I've decided that no matter the game, if a publisher decides to pull any of that asshattery, I'm boycotting them. Don't even care if it's something like Dead Space. I'm not tolerating it at all.

Sony has won me over with their stance, now it's up to each individual publisher to show me that they're not going to screw me over. With Microsoft, everything thing about their system is designed to screw me over, with Sony, my chances are a lot better.


Also, of course the launch line-up of a system is going to be terrible. THEY ALWAYS ARE. However, I'm not thinking about the stuff that will happen in only the first couple of months of the system, I'm thinking long term. There is some stuff that has my attention at launch, but overall... Sony is the way to go.

And yes, PC, this, PC that. I already have a gaming PC.

Ping 06-13-2013 01:40 PM

I was going to get a PS3 soon, and then this happened. :p I'll probably just stick with the WiiU though; alot of the games I want that end up on the Playstation tend to also end up on the PC. I remember saying a few days ago that the WiiU was looking pretty good by comparison up until now. ;) Looks to me like Sony and Nintendo are going to leave Microsoft in the dust.

Lynk Former 06-13-2013 10:03 PM

You should still get a PS3... since PS4 can't player PS3 games :p

Shem 06-14-2013 06:15 AM

Microsoft has become bigger idiots than they realize and the sad part is they're going to have to wait until the release of both consoles and see the numbers to finally realize the mistakes they're making because I don't think they realize them yet and won't pay attention to what potential customers are saying at this moment. Their arrogance is sad.

Ping 06-14-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynk Former (Post 2833977)
You should still get a PS3... since PS4 can't player PS3 games :p

Did not know that. Thank you for the tip. :thmbup1:

Prime 06-14-2013 04:43 PM

From what I have seen so far it is enough to make me convert to PS. I've only owned XBox's and I had no interest in the Xone even before the PS info.

Lynk, this could mean I may actually get a retail Macross game at some point!

Alexrd 06-14-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shem (Post 2834005)
Their arrogance is sad.

Indeed, first with Windows 8 (which is a fine mobile OS) and now with Xbox. Their loss, and I hope they learn with the consequences.

Dread Advocate 06-14-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexrd (Post 2834037)
Indeed, first with Windows 8 (which is a fine mobile OS) and now with Xbox. Their loss, and I hope they learn with the consequences.

There's also Office 2013 to add to their arrogance.

Boba Rhett 06-14-2013 09:56 PM

Oops. Uhh. Aren't they supposed to be shipping the Xbox One and these games out in five months? And they're still running the demos on desktop PCs running with a different operating system and even an entirely different graphics processor than what's in the Xbox One? The hell?

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/se...1371234074.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/se...1371234169.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/se...1371234242.jpg

DarthParametric 06-14-2013 10:23 PM

Kind of funny that even MS doesn't use Win 8.

Not sure what relevance this has though. You realise that all your precious PS4 games were also running on PC, right?

Boba Rhett 06-14-2013 10:34 PM

No, they weren't. They were running on PS4 dev kits composed of the actual PS4 hardware.



Developer of upcoming PS4/PC/iOS title The Witness Jonathan Blow tweeted:

It is not true as the article says that “all E3 demos run on hi-end PCs”. The Witness was running on PS4 dev hardware, and it looked to me like all the other PS4 games were running on dev kits as well.

Dev hardware is the hardware that will be in the final retail box, but in a less consumer-oriented package.

Dev kits almost always have more RAM yeah. Better CPU+GPU, no…

All the indies I know were running on the PS4.

We worked very hard to get our game running on the actual PS4 hardware and operating system in time for the show. As did many other devs.


and

http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1371262666661.png



If you have any other facts that you'd like to pull out of your glorious PC gaming master race ass and post here, please, feel free to do so.

GeneralPloKoon 06-14-2013 10:38 PM

I'm very excited about the PS4 I might actually get it this year instead of waiting! Sony's Press Conference was the greatest Press Conference I have ever seen...ever. Destroyed Microsoft.

DarthParametric 06-15-2013 12:43 AM

Yes, they were running on devkits. Which are PCs.

Lynk Former 06-15-2013 07:48 AM

Yeah, devkits are just PCs that have similar hardware capabilities to the target console and debug and test tools that are relative yo that console. All games are made on PCs.

Miltiades 06-15-2013 08:46 AM

Yeah, I'm gonna get myself a PS4. Maybe sooner than I had planned, but not at launch, though. I tend to wait until a bit more games are available and the first problems are ironed out.

Lynk Former 06-15-2013 09:42 AM

Yeah, I have to wait by necessity since Australian prices are so stupid for these things. I'll at least have to wait for some kind of deal to go down for the PS4 before I get it.

Boba Rhett 06-15-2013 10:24 AM

The worrying part about it is that the boxes Microsoft was using are apparently very dissimilar to the actual hardware present in the Xbox One. I'm not saying that anything's not developed on a PC, merely that it's worrying that they don't have it running on anything resembling what they want to sell us. Sony's had their demos running on PS4 hardware dev kits since Feb.

DarthParametric 06-15-2013 10:41 PM

It's not worrying at all. Both the Xbone and PS4 are basically just laptops in plastic boxes. You could use any x86 hardware, as long as it has the appropriate OS. Which in the Xbone case is pretty much just a cutdown Windows kernel with DirectX. You have to code to the hardware, not necessarily on the hardware. You have to test on the final hardware, sure. But that's a different issue altogether. If the rumours from a few months back are to be believed, the PS4 devkit isn't much like the PS4 hardware either, aside from being AMD kit. It was reported as off-the-shelf components - Bulldozer CPU, 7000/R10XX series GPU, 8GB RAM, etc.

Lynk Former 06-16-2013 12:36 AM

Yeah, I'm not seeing the problem here, all early devkits are all like this. The first devkits Nintendo sent out to developers for the Nintendo DS was a GBA SP rubber banded to a standard GBA with a link cable between them rigged with a data output port and a SNES controller.

Modern console devkits that console manufacturers sendout early are, as I said, just off the shelf components with tools for debugging, etc.

Q 06-16-2013 01:36 AM

@DP:

Both the PS4 and the XBone use virtually the same APU, featuring 8 Jaguar cores on the CPU side. Jaguar is AMD's replacement for Bobcat, which competes with Intel's Atom.

The difference is that the PS4's GPU will have 18 compute units vs. the XBone's 12, so there's another win for the PS4.

DarthParametric 06-16-2013 01:59 AM

Yes, I know. The consumer Jaguar was only scheduled to launch a few weeks ago (not sure if it did or not), plus initial yields were very low (especially for MS's customised version with eSRAM), hence why neither MS nor Sony had it in their early devkits.

Q 06-16-2013 08:32 PM

OK, I misunderstood you, then.

The important point is that, while the CPU side has 8 cores and they're supposed to be a considerable improvement over Bobcat, they're still going to be quite a bit weaker than normal desktop/laptop CPU cores because they are designed to run at ultra-low voltages.

The upside is that people probably won't have to worry about them overheating like the older XBox 360s did.

Boba Rhett 06-17-2013 11:29 AM

Has Microsoft released some solid statement on how the 10 family member sharing works? Because if it works like it sounds like it does, it could be a saving grace for the Xbox One. It sounds like if I wanted to play Co-op or MP with someone in my "family" only one of us would actually have to own the game. That would be pretty sweet but I don't see how publishers would go for this.

Prime 06-20-2013 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boba Rhett (Post 2834052)
Oops. Uhh. Aren't they supposed to be shipping the Xbox One and these games out in five months? And they're still running the demos on desktop PCs running with a different operating system and even an entirely different graphics processor than what's in the Xbox One? The hell?

AHA! ALL THE GAMES CAN RUN ON PCS! NO EXCUSES NOW M$! I EXPECT EVERYTHING ON STEAM NOW!

Taak Farst 06-22-2013 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime (Post 2834421)
AHA! ALL THE GAMES CAN RUN ON PCS! NO EXCUSES NOW M$! I EXPECT EVERYTHING ON STEAM NOW!

If this logic occurred, we'd have been graced with Fable II I think ;D

I'm not really happy with being a console player anymore. I don't like how the market is run and I'm sorry but I've seen next gen game pre-orders at £55 a go, and if that is going to be standard price for a game then man. 40 was too high in my opinion. I could spend 55 on one game that could be mediocre and will at best provide with 30 hours of entertainment (to use the term broadly. I find that after spending that much, the entertainment value is significantly undermined), or I could spend the same and actually get a fair amount of games on Steam, with the various sales and just in general cheaper games.

No thanks, Sony or MS.

DarthParametric 08-23-2013 03:56 AM

No doubt the fanboys will come up with plenty of excuses, but I figured this was only fair turnabout after the fuss over Xbone titles at E3. A demo booth at Gamescom showing the PS4 version of Need for Speed:

https://twitter.com/corentin_lamy/st...090688/photo/1

And the NeoGaf mirror in the event it disappears: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658829

Lynk Former 08-23-2013 07:38 PM

I still don't understand why this is news... both systems are AMD x86-64 hardware.


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