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VarsityPuppet 07-05-2013 10:33 PM

New Ultimate Saber Mod
 
For those who don't know, I've been working on a saber mod that will be compatible with TSLRCM. It will bring USM, HOTOR and all the other hilts you can imagine together in one big mod.

Well instead of speculation and discussion, we are now entering Phase 2 of the mod making process.

Phase 2 is the part where the mod actually works and could be released as is (no TSLPatcher ATM)

However, since this is intending to expand beyond its current scope, I figure we can start a new thread not about which are your favorite sabers, but an official update thread. I'll still take input of course, but the focus of this is to provide updates and get feedback about the mod itself, not just the sabers.

Also, if you could, I'm trying to decide on an epic name to call this mod so people will be intrigued and download it. I don't want all this work to go to waste after all. Just vote above or if you have another idea, just post it below.

Here's where we're at.

USM - I have permission from Chainz.2da to use USM hilts. 20 of which are converted
HOTOR - I have permission from Qui-Don Jorn to use HOTOR hilts, just waiting for the textures
Quanon - Permission Pending
Evasto - Evast's Lightsaber, Inrita's, Ametha's and Kilana's Lightsabers
oldflash - Any and all of his hilts.
DeadMan - Lightsaber Pikes (credit will be given)

And a few others (some Kotorfiles ones that slip my mind)


Here's the current system in action. (USM hilts and my own Sith Hilts included)

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YouTube Video

Fair Strides 2 07-05-2013 10:47 PM

Yay!!! Someone's making it play nice with TSLRCM again! You've just made my day, VP.

Col_Zechs 07-06-2013 12:11 AM

This is great. Any date set for a release?

L0ki194 07-06-2013 12:51 AM

Pure awesome, VP. I'll definitely be playing TSL again, once this is released. Also, the "Community Project" name fits better, because it's made be multiple people. Again, can't wait to play with this! :)

Canderis 07-06-2013 12:57 AM

What about "The Saber Mod"?

Fair Strides 2 07-06-2013 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col_Zechs (Post 2835017)
This is great. Any date set for a release?

:wid:

And check my signature...

milestails 07-06-2013 03:21 AM

As far as a name is concerned, how about something like a mashup music title to spice up the community lightsaber project angle:

Heroes of the Ultimate Old Republic Saber Mod (feat. Qui-Don Jorn, ChAiNz.2da, Darth333, Seprithro, svösh, T7nowhere, Quanon, Evasto, DeadMan, VarsityPuppet)

Col_Zechs 07-06-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair Strides 2 (Post 2835022)
:wid:

And check my signature...

Yeah I know I just love new big time mods and can't wait to use them.

VarsityPuppet 07-06-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col_Zechs (Post 2835037)
Yeah I know I just love new big time mods and can't wait to use them.

Problem being that there are way too many sabers from different mods to give them all a reference.

Masters of KOTOR or Masters of TSL was the one I was going with the most, because the name refers more to the authors of the mods and sounds fairly imposing.

Oh, also, I have permission from oldflash to use some of his saber mods.

Qui-Don Jorn 07-07-2013 06:39 PM

Superior Lightsaber Mod (SLM)

Disturbed205 07-07-2013 11:11 PM

I think because you are adding a new system that should be reflected in the name, just XXX Lightsaber Mod doesn't do it justice.

VarsityPuppet 07-07-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disturbed205 (Post 2835091)
I think because you are adding a new system that should be reflected in the name, just XXX Lightsaber Mod doesn't do it justice.

^This.

The problem is that if I use a name like "LightSaber Console", it's pretty vague as to what the mod actually does. To the average user, it could be just a computer that gives you infinite lightsabers.

That's really the problem - coming up with a name that does it justice.

EDIT AND UPDATE:

I forgot to add: oldflash has given permssion to use his lightsaber hilts

Christos K 07-08-2013 12:32 AM

Oldflash mainly had replacement hilts for the default sabers if I recall.

Also, I was curious about compatibility with any of the flickering saber color mods such as http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...ures_v9;121445

VarsityPuppet 07-08-2013 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christos K (Post 2835096)
Oldflash mainly had replacement hilts for the default sabers if I recall.

Also, I was curious about compatibility with any of the flickering saber color mods such as http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...ures_v9;121445

I'm using the animated textures in the video. Completely compatible.

But for the hell of it, I'm including and making a new version. Pretty much the same, just gets rid of the weird ghost image of the blade meshes. Also, the textures fps is waay higher so you get a sort of vibrating quality to the blade.

I had in mind to maybe remap the saber blades so they're a bit more consistent in a 360 degree angle around the hilt.

Very true about oldflash and his hilts, but as long as I can find a suitable name for them (backstory isn't always necessary, for instance), I think we'll be alright.

Lastly, on the issue of expanded colors (It came up on DeadlyStream), originally the plan was just to nix the expanded colors. But, if you guys want em all, let me know. It's certainly easy to add more colors, but I need to come to a conclusion or I'll have to redo a lot of the work.

Sith Holocron 07-08-2013 03:56 AM

If we're talking about Crixlers colors, I for one would be interested.

Christos K 07-08-2013 05:55 PM

Didn't Crixler just add colors to KotOR and create a difference between Orange and Guardian (Bronze in TSL), Silver and White, Cyan and Mantle. I wasn't aware of Crixler having a TSL mod though.

Fair Strides 2 07-08-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2835102)
Lastly, on the issue of expanded colors (It came up on DeadlyStream), originally the plan was just to nix the expanded colors. But, if you guys want em all, let me know. It's certainly easy to add more colors, but I need to come to a conclusion or I'll have to redo a lot of the work.

I vote yes on the colors. They were definitely a good addition to USM.

VarsityPuppet 07-10-2013 04:08 PM

Looks like TriggerGod may be contributing some hilts inspired by brood of evil's lightsabers on deviantart.

http://i.imgur.com/6gqytWL.png

Quanon 07-11-2013 09:31 AM

Woot, those look very pretty ^_^
I'm working on some new hilts aswell, just for this mod, but I'll show them a bit later.
Still fiddling with some bits on some of the models.
But this mod will be a great pack once its done.

JediRevan001 07-11-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2835192)
Looks like TriggerGod may be contributing some hilts inspired by brood of evil's lightsabers on deviantart.

http://i.imgur.com/6gqytWL.png

Looks good!:)

KaelVirum 07-12-2013 05:53 AM

More colors is always a good thing. I read somewhere that people become happier when getting to choose their own color palette.

Also, I don't like the Song Name mash up title, it's too... Rap for my tastes. I'd go with either the Community one, or what the poster was actually leaning toward and calling it Masters of TSL. That name would hook me in a heartbeat.

redrob41 07-12-2013 11:22 AM

"Masters of TSL" doesn't mention lightsabers at all; it sounds like you've bent the entire game to your will (probably with Force Lightning :lightning).

Now, if you called it "Saber Masters" or "Hilt Masters" then you're getting somewhere. Add in "of Holowan Labs" and you've got your community angle. On second though, that starts sounding more like a team name than a mod name.

Quanon 07-12-2013 11:42 AM

Here's a preview for my part of the mod, modelwise. Not as highpoly as above and differant; but that's a good thing isn't it? ;)

Show spoiler

Fair Strides 2 07-12-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quanon (Post 2835235)
Here's a preview for my part of the mod, modelwise. Not as highpoly as above and differant; but that's a good thing isn't it? ;)

Show spoiler

1. How'd you get that long twist in the first one?

2. Oh, I just love that third one, Q!

VarsityPuppet 07-12-2013 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quanon (Post 2835235)
Here's a preview for my part of the mod, modelwise. Not as highpoly as above and differant; but that's a good thing isn't it? ;)

Show spoiler

Excellent work, Q!

Something I forgot to mention though that I also mentioned to Trig.

Try to keep the poly counts on the low side. 1000 - 1500 polys for a more artistic saber is just fine, but I've been keeping normalish sabers in the 300 - 700 range.

That said, hilts are amazing. Any name ideas for the hilts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedRob
"Masters of TSL" doesn't mention lightsabers at all; it sounds like you've bent the entire game to your will (probably with Force Lightning ).

Now, if you called it "Saber Masters" or "Hilt Masters" then you're getting somewhere. Add in "of Holowan Labs" and you've got your community angle. On second though, that starts sounding more like a team name than a mod name.

Holowan Saber Mod?

Fair Strides 2 07-12-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2835239)
Holowan Saber Mod?

Holowan Sabers: Sabers of Legends?

milestails 07-12-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaelVirum (Post 2835230)
More colors is always a good thing. I read somewhere that people become happier when getting to choose their own color palette.

Also, I don't like the Song Name mash up title, it's too... Rap for my tastes. I'd go with either the Community one, or what the poster was actually leaning toward and calling it Masters of TSL. That name would hook me in a heartbeat.

Funny you say that since I was referencing an entirely different musical genre lol!

TriggerGod 07-12-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quanon (Post 2835235)
Here's a preview for my part of the mod, modelwise. Not as highpoly as above and differant; but that's a good thing isn't it? ;)

Show spoiler

If only I were mildly imaginative or creative, I could probably make masterpieces like those. Alas, I am not. So I am content to making other people's creativity into masterpieces :p

So, my progress on hilts continues, I've finished and shipped over two hilts over to VP for rigging:
Acheron (from the sadly now-defunct randomsabers), sitting at the slightly-higher range of ~1100
Show spoiler


(I may make a modification on the texture, simply to make the shading a little crisper, like the one below, but this is the general idea)

Guardian (2/3 of Brood's designs, Consular is in progress), sitting at a comfortable 500
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So, as I go through my library of stuff, I've found a small collection of ~quality~ lightsabers, that I simply have to optimize, map, texture, and ship over to VP. The only one that will be freshly modeled will be Consular (which will probably take the longest to finish, as well). By my projections, you've seen about half of my contribution to the mod, give or take. I'll keep you good people updated on when I finish what. I hope to have this all finished sometime in the middle of next week, though a more realistic expectation would probably be before next weekend. If I can finish sooner, great, as that would likely mean a faster release.

Sith Holocron 07-12-2013 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2835239)
Excellent work, Q!

Try to keep the poly counts on the low side. 1000 - 1500 polys for a more artistic saber is just fine, but I've been keeping normalish sabers in the 300 - 700 range.

That said, hilts are amazing. Any name ideas for the hilts?

I'm guessing that these Quanon hilts would have way too many polys for your mod, VP?





redrob41 07-12-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2835239)
Holowan Saber Mod?

Holowan Saber Masters' Mod?
Holowan Hilt Masters' Mod? = HHMM

VarsityPuppet 07-12-2013 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sith Holocron (Post 2835258)
I'm guessing that these Quanon hilts would have way too many polys for your mod, VP?

~~Omitted for brevity~~

I'll just put a warning in the UTI description ;).

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedRob
Holowan Saber Masters' Mod?
Holowan Hilt Masters' Mod? = HHMM

Holowan Saber Masters sounds good. References the talent of the modder's and the in-game jedi who wield them.

Nicely done, RedRob.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaelVirum
More colors is always a good thing. I read somewhere that people become happier when getting to choose their own color palette.

Speaking of colors, I have 16 total colors that covers (generally) the colors of the rainbow and then a few 'silvery' colors.

Code:

Magenta
Red
Orange
Yellow
YellowishGreen (LightGreen)
Green
Turquoise
Cyan
Blue
Indigo
Violet
White (just a white blade)

Bronze is silvery orange/yellow
Viridian is silvery green.
Silver is silvery blue
Crimson is silvery red
Amethyst is silvery violet/purple/whatever

The reason I arrived at these colors is generally because Crixler wanted to make a total of 30 color variations originally. That would have been alright, except for a lot of the colors in between were hard to tell apart.

For instance, Crixler would have Orange, Amber, Yellow and greenish Yellow. Orange and Amber were kinda hard to tell apart imo...

KaelVirum 07-12-2013 08:46 PM

Sounds good to me. It is a small thing, however, I would like to see darker versions of the three original colors, Blue, Yellow and Green, for use as a Darkside player without having to default to Red all the time. I know I can choose whatever I want any time I play the game, but a Darker Forest Green would look BA on my Sith Lord, imo. Not that I'm requesting it, mind you, just commenting. I can be completely happy with those colors. :)

Zhaboka 07-12-2013 09:02 PM

You rock for including Indigo, das my favoriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite. Well, you rock for a lot of other reasons, as well, but... especially this one. Haha.

I like Holowan Hilt Masters better than Holowan Saber Masters, but in acronym form HSM looks better than HHM - plus it's a complete saber mod, not just a hilt mod.

TriggerGod, your hilt recreations are sex.

Canderis 07-12-2013 11:36 PM

Beautiful. Truly.

Might I request of you trig to try these:
https://www.saberforge.com/elite-hilts/gladius-saber
https://www.saberforge.com/crystal-sabers/descent-saber

I was going to do em myself for this but uhhh my models are pretty bad so I'm sure you guys could do much better than I could.

L0ki194 07-13-2013 12:09 AM

Sweeeeeet!! More colors are always awesome! Reminds of the various colors in TFU II.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canderis (Post 2835293)
Beautiful. Truly.

Might I request of you trig to try these:
https://www.saberforge.com/elite-hilts/gladius-saber
https://www.saberforge.com/crystal-sabers/descent-saber

I was going to do em myself for this but uhhh my models are pretty bad so I'm sure you guys could do much better than I could.

Those look amazing! My favorites the "Descent" one.

TriggerGod 07-13-2013 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canderis (Post 2835293)
Beautiful. Truly.

Might I request of you trig to try these:
https://www.saberforge.com/elite-hilts/gladius-saber
https://www.saberforge.com/crystal-sabers/descent-saber

I was going to do em myself for this but uhhh my models are pretty bad so I'm sure you guys could do much better than I could.

Looking at these, I've decided that my input in the mod will be limited to 9 lightsabers. A hilt that symbolizes best the "spirit" of each force classes (3 bases, and 6 prestiges). Sentinel is a more technical, elaborate design, but still combat-ready. Guardian is sleeker, more combat practical and combat-worn (to the best of my texturing abilities, heh). Consular will be similarly sleek, but more elegant, something more ceremonial than combat ready.

Which means that the remaining 6 will build on these. Descent and Gladius will be included as the Sith Marauder and the Jedi Master hilts, respectively. Descent for the menacing, heavy-handed design. Gladius for the unassuming, humble design. Acheron, I think, would suit the Jedi Watchman design, being a more technical, but practical design. It looks pretty, and is fairly simple enough to make a repair to in the middle of whatever planet a Watchman is stationed, if needed.

The remaining lightsabers will be fit as best as possible to the spirit of the Weaponmaster (possibly an extravagant double-blade), the Assassin (dark and sleek, something possibly shorter and would be easy to conceal) and the Lord (menacing and ceremonial).

Thoughts?

milestails 07-13-2013 09:30 AM

Makes good sense to me!

KaelVirum 07-13-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milestails (Post 2835307)
Makes good sense to me!

Agreed.

Canderis 07-13-2013 12:37 PM

Yay!

Christos K 07-13-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2835279)
Code:

Magenta
Red
Orange
Yellow
YellowishGreen (LightGreen)
Green
Turquoise
Cyan
Blue
Indigo
Violet
White (just a white blade)

Bronze is silvery orange/yellow
Viridian is silvery green.
Silver is silvery blue
Crimson is silvery red
Amethyst is silvery violet/purple/whatever


I'd just like to make a small request (In fact I could probably just do this on my own once the mod is released since it's just a matter of renaming the files last time I checked) but could these colors also be released for KotOR 1?


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