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Me_Who_Else 11-02-2013 10:01 PM

Creation or Evolution
 
So..weird place to throw in such a question but still want to know your oppinion about this topic.

The title says it all. When you post, tell WHY you believe X

And no...no big bang please. The origins of live is another field than big bang =)

Darth InSidious 11-02-2013 10:44 PM

No.

Sith Sizzle 11-02-2013 10:44 PM

Regardless of if you believe in God or not I don't understand how people can deny that evolution exists. Every single year scientists show more and more proof. If I were to live in a pitch black room for my entire life and had children and those children had children, all living in the dark like me, they would more than likely be born blind thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years later and have other enhanced senses. I don't know why people think that if you believe in evolution then you can't believe in a god or a greater power. A mystical person may in fact have created the universe and all of the living creatures and those creatures naturally evolve.

Totenkopf 11-03-2013 12:31 AM

I think he means that this is a topic that can't end well :lol: and is choosing not to "take the bait".

Isaac Clarke 11-03-2013 12:58 AM

This will be an interesting thread.

Since I know an ounce of high school biology, I vote evolution. It is not a matter of "belief" in evolution, you either accept it or you don't.

urluckyday 11-03-2013 01:06 AM

I chose none of the options in the poll. That's a really small collection of possibilities up there.

Sith Sizzle 11-03-2013 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Totenkopf (Post 2839572)
I think he means that this is a topic that can't end well :lol: and is choosing not to "take the bait".

I know I wasn't even replying to him. :p
That's just what I had to say about the topic.
I hope this doesn't get to out of hand, but if it does I'm gonna stay out of it in the future because I'm not trying to preach!

Sith Sizzle 11-03-2013 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by urluckyday (Post 2839576)
I chose none of the options in the poll. That's a really small collection of possibilities up there.

I shouldn't have voted since I actually believe in creation AND evolution.

Totenkopf 11-03-2013 01:46 AM

I'd merely say for myself that neither is mutually exclusive and that there is no evidence that it has to be either/or.

Darth Avlectus 11-03-2013 02:13 AM

Another evolution vs creationism thread? I don't subscribe to the whole thing of one being absolutely exclusive from/to the other.


Heresy! Burn me at the stake. Oh noes.
But the pedantic evolutionists will say "God of the gaps fallacy!"


Can't really prove or disprove a negative. So most people will "wait and see" regardless of their belief or opinion either way.

HED 11-03-2013 02:18 AM

Yeah, I think with a little creative thinking the two could be bridged (though I personally only believe in evolution).

urluckyday 11-03-2013 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sith Sizzle (Post 2839580)
I shouldn't have voted since I actually believe in creation AND evolution.

Yup, same here.

Sith Sizzle 11-03-2013 03:42 AM

Living things are constantly evolving, but why are we living and on this planet in the first place? People always mention the big bang theory, but what happened before that? And what about before that? The Super Duper Old Republic obviously.

Totenkopf 11-03-2013 05:26 AM

That's where the whole argument gets circular. Either everything has always existed and is in a continuous state of flux or some ancient, timless dude is working everything like the wizard of Oz.....

Me_Who_Else 11-03-2013 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sith Sizzle (Post 2839580)
I shouldn't have voted since I actually believe in creation AND evolution.

That is a contradiction. You can NOT believe in both.
Evolution states clearly that we are descendants of apes (hell...we are apes).
Creation states clearly that God made Adam out of dirt/clay and Eve of one of Adams ribs. Quite a contradiction.

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Originally Posted by Sith Sizzle (Post 2839593)
Living things are constantly evolving, but why are we living and on this planet in the first place? People always mention the big bang theory, but what happened before that? And what about before that? The Super Duper Old Republic obviously.

We are living here because we are lucky as hell. But you need to know, that as soon the planet was suited for life, it emerged. The HOW is still open, but the door is closing slowly (primeordial soup or transpermia are very promising). As soon as life was here, Evolution was too.

Now..Big Bang and evolution are two different fields. And before the Big Bang is irrelevant because we do not know (yet). And to impose some supernatural thingy. Infinite regression is the word.

There might be a interesting theory around how our universe came into existence. From Nothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing

I have read it, and if i have understood 50% of it..it was a lot. Not the english but the actual content >.>

Edit: I had the same kind of threat running somewhere else, and there 3 people voted for actual creation o_O

Pho3nix 11-03-2013 07:38 AM

Ancient aliens.

Alexrd 11-03-2013 08:59 AM

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Isaac Clarke 11-03-2013 01:00 PM

I still don't see the point of this. I predict it'll be around a 50/50 between evolution and evolution/creation.

jonathan7 11-03-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Me_Who_Else (Post 2839611)
Creation states clearly that God made Adam out of dirt/clay and Eve of one of Adams ribs. Quite a contradiction.

Actually the Bible states the above. Creation merely is the term for someone of a religious belief that Supreme being created the universe. Your claim also ignores the fact many Christians don't take then first chapters of Genesis literally, indeed whatever else maybe said it is written in the form of a Hebrew poem.

As for the matter at hand, I would argue that "Creation" is an entirely different matter to Evolution. Evolution being true neither confirms nor denies if there is a Contingent being who created the universe.

Isaac Clarke 11-03-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jonathan7 (Post 2839644)
Actually the Bible states the above. Creation merely is the term for someone of a religious belief that Supreme being created the universe. Your claim also ignores the fact many Christians don't take then first chapters of Genesis literally, indeed whatever else maybe said it is written in the form of a Hebrew poem.

As for the matter at hand, I would argue that "Creation" is an entirely different matter to Evolution. Evolution being true neither confirms nor denies if there is a Contingent being who created the universe.

Creation I believe is just being used to mean either a supreme being who created life on Earth in its present form (option 2) or one who created the universe, but then left it up to the evolutionary process to create the diversity in life we see now (option 3).

jonathan7 11-03-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac Clarke (Post 2839645)
Creation I believe is just being used to mean either a supreme being who created life on Earth in its present form (option 2) or one who created the universe, but then left it up to the evolutionary process to create the diversity in life we see now (option 3).

I find it strange we are only left with 3 options... Regardless it's things such as "natural design" which go "up" against evolution usually -certainly the OP seems to only be taking into account Christian creation myths and disregarding all the other religions... Incidentally the Roman Catholic Church accepted into Dogma evolution in 1947.

Me_Who_Else 11-03-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jonathan7 (Post 2839650)
I find it strange we are only left with 3 options... Regardless it's things such as "natural design" which go "up" against evolution usually -certainly the OP seems to only be taking into account Christian creation myths and disregarding all the other religions... Incidentally the Roman Catholic Church accepted into Dogma evolution in 1947.

you want what? All the different creation stories that are around there. Go and fetch them. I took the one that influences my culture the most.

Mind to explain natural design?

jonathan7 11-03-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Me_Who_Else (Post 2839661)
you want what? All the different creation stories that are around there. Go and fetch them. I took the one that influences my culture the most.

I don't need to. You stated;

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Originally Posted by YOU
That is a contradiction. You can NOT believe in both.
Evolution states clearly that we are descendants of apes (hell...we are apes).
Creation states clearly that God made Adam out of dirt/clay and Eve of one of Adams ribs. Quite a contradiction.

It is NOT a contradiction to believe both, as they are entirely different questions... But despite that, the Roman Catholic Church adopted into it's beliefs an acceptance in 1947 that Evolution is correct - so that's a belief that God created the Universe and everything in it, and then life evolved on this planet.

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Originally Posted by Me_Who_Else (Post 2839661)
Mind to explain natural design?

Why? I don't believe it; I was just pointing out it was one of many other theories... More than your 3 options.

Tommycat 11-04-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Me_Who_Else (Post 2839661)
Mind to explain natural design?

actually it's called Intelligent Design.
It is a belief that god shapes evolution. Gives it a nudge.

No reason creation and evolution cannot exist along side each other. That is what is known as a false dichotomy.

By the way, modern evolutionary theory is that apes and man had a common ancestor, not that we evolved from apes.

Alexrd 11-04-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jonathan7 (Post 2839644)
Your claim also ignores the fact many Christians don't take then first chapters of Genesis literally, indeed whatever else maybe said it is written in the form of a Hebrew poem.

Exactly. One needs to take into account the type of narrative the Genesis includes and the purpose of its story. I don't think it was ever meant to be taken literally, but merely to make an allegory to the relation between Men and God.

And as already stated on this thread, the two concepts are not exclusive to each other.

Darth Avlectus 11-08-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommycat (Post 2839731)
No reason creation and evolution cannot exist along side each other. That is what is known as a false dichotomy.

There's the term I was looking for. Yeah other alternatives do indeed exist.

Ray Jones 12-29-2013 09:25 AM

Doesn't evolution create? Is creation not evolution? I think your real question is "is there someone who did it, or not?" But what would it matter? Nothing. The world would not change. Would you change? Would you change the way you treat others or animals or plants, just depending on if they evolved or were created?

Isaac Clarke 12-31-2013 03:13 AM

Sure, evolution "creates", at least in the sense that it is a process that changes organisms.

And I do certainly think more knowledge would be beneficial. There's no harm in knowing.

Sabretooth 12-31-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexrd (Post 2839622)

Came for this, not disappointed.

mimartin 12-31-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommycat (Post 2839731)
actually it's called Intelligent Design.
It is a belief that god shapes evolution. Gives it a nudge.

Intelligent Design it is just a way to circumvent court rulings because some people did not like the decision. :xp:

adamqd 12-31-2013 11:37 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220215864.jpg

Tommycat 01-02-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by adamqd (Post 2841740)

*this

I mean seriously. It was dead. Then someone came by and gave it the T-virus...

As for ID being a way around a court ruling, No, it predates those court rulings. It's from people trying to bridge their faith with their brains.

mimartin 01-02-2014 07:48 PM

Intelligent Design - First publicized in 1989 in Of Pandas and People

Edwards v. Aguillard, 482 US 578 - 1987

Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

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Originally Posted by Tommycat (Post 2841831)
It's from people trying to bridge their faith with their brains.

It is from people that just want to get around the court ruling. I do not dispute their faith, I do dispute they have brains.

Darth Avlectus 01-03-2014 12:32 AM

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