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SlowbieOne 10-01-2001 06:01 AM

Jedi Outcast Enemies
We know for sure now that there will be Stormtroopers, Officers, Grans, Gamorrean Guards, Rodians, Probe Droids, the dark Jedi with ponytail,and according to a few pics from PC Gamer, a bounty hunter-looking character.

Who else would you like to see make an appearance?

Personally, #1 on my list would be some Noghri, they sound so vicious in the books.

Second I would like to see Dark Jedi as regular enemies in some levels(not bosses). It would add a lot to the depth of the game and since Raven is focusing more on the lightsaber, I'm hoping they are planning on it.

Lastly I want to see some never before seen enemies from Raven and Lucasarts themselves.

Darth Lunatic 10-01-2001 06:14 AM

Above any other enemy i wanna see the Sith stone statues from Dromuund Kaas. They have got to be the coolest enemy ever. I loved them in MOTS! It was so cool you run into a room and their sabers ignite. THAT WAS SO COOL! We have got to have these enemies again!

They would be so mad in JKO!

[ October 01, 2001: Message edited by: Darth Lunatic ]

StephenG 10-01-2001 06:31 AM

i wanna see FETT!!!!

GonkH8er 10-01-2001 09:45 AM

one to add to the list- gonks

Kurt Plummer 10-01-2001 11:03 AM

Krayt Dragons.
So as to give Rancors a rest...

The 'Vicious Teddy Bear' from _Splinter Of The Minds Eye_.

The Xim War Robots. Ten different kinds of death from grapnels to disruptors to heat beams to acid sprays. About 3.5 meters tall.

The Lizard Man 'gunman' from _Han Solo At Stars End_ (you could use the Star Trek lizard guy from the duel where Kirk 'rediscovers gunpowder' as a base model).

Killer Wookies, complete with crossbows.

Creatures who, close or far, are either BIGGER than our characters, both wide AND tall, or which move (very quickly) more like say a gecko going up a wall rather than simply bipedally.

Massed Stormtroopers as from Ep.4SE where Han Comes around the corner and 'They They Are' lined up in column rank.

Military Unit doctrine is always and _all_ about MASSING fires. Such that if you set off an alarm, you should find yourself facing not a 'flying squad' of angry snow men, not just 1-2 more, scattered about.

Creatures which flew would be nice too, provided my Sabre Throw could be 'guided'. There are quite a few of the Ep.1 background creature arts which are quite neat and not necessarily 'birdlike' (flying carpet, tiny dragon-moths etc. etc.).


Kurt Plummer

Myxale 10-01-2001 04:29 PM

I would like to see Jedis as enemy 's too.
Dark or not ..dosn't matter.

Something like Clooned Jedi-- (cannon fooder--
not at all)

with different ranks.....

and the most loved...Grimorean (Pigs)
Yeah the Stoney ( :D ) Sith Jedi were nice too.

SlowbieOne 10-01-2001 04:42 PM

Isn't Boba Fett dead at this point in time?

It would be cool to run into him and his crew(Bossk, Dengar the Drunk, Zuckuss, and IG-88's long lost brother?) :p

StormHammer 10-01-2001 11:31 PM

First off, I trust Raven to come up with some really creative and original alien enemies. Hopefully they will do the same with some of the buddy allies that have been talked about.

I agree with a lot of the other suggestions already mentioned - although it would be a tall order to include them all.

My own picks would be...

A War Beast of Onderon
Mandalorian warriors

Of course, they would all have to be resurrected, but I like the look of them in the Tales Of The Jedi graphic novels. :D

Mostly, I hope that Raven give us a good variety of different species to interact with - from rat size all the way up to AT-AT size. ;-)

Tap[RR] 10-02-2001 12:35 AM


Originally posted by SlowbieOne:
<STRONG>Isn't Boba Fett dead at this point in time?

It would be cool to run into him and his crew(Bossk, Dengar the Drunk, Zuckuss, and IG-88's long lost brother?) :p</STRONG>
He survived the sarlaac pit, its stated at

the offical starwars webpage

i think it would be rather cool to fight boba fett, since han actually finds out he's alive around this time (everyone starts to know boba fett is alive by the time han solo does), it would be cool to fight him (not kill him!), heh could be a challenge as he would be fast with his jetpack.

[P.S] Damn slowbie, whens the last time you went on the zone? i wanna play you sbx ver2!! :)

Denise 10-02-2001 03:32 AM

Our Intrepid Hero™ beat Boba Fett once before (Dark Forces), and that was without the Force. Between that experience and tangling with Luke, one would think the poor clown would steer WELL clear of Kyle Katarn, Jedi in general, and most especially a Jedi Kyle Katarn. :D

Not that slapping him around again wouldn't be amusing, to be sure. ;)

[ October 02, 2001: Message edited by: Denise ]

stunnedtodeath 10-02-2001 07:57 PM

All I want are new enemies, not the same enemies w/ better graphics. I've blasted enough Rodians and Gran to last me a life time.
I'm hoping for:
* smarter stormtroopers (for lovers of Rainbow 6) that use something like RL tactics.
* more variety of aliens, friend & foe
* realistic health/ powerup placement. The med droid in the last game was good but used too sparingly imo.
* Rebel troopers that also act/react smarter. The troopers in Mysteries of the Sith were just in the way.
* Scaled down wpns. I've played Q3 w/ its huge guns already - give me a break. :rolleyes:
* A lightsaber that is actually deadly in one stroke :D
and speaking of the saber - better Saber moves would be great!

StormHammer 10-03-2001 12:02 AM


Originally posted by stunnedtodeath:
All I want are new enemies, not the same enemies w/ better graphics. I've blasted enough Rodians and Gran to last me a life time.
I agree to an extent...but at least in those recent screenshots they provide a good contrast between the capabilities of the two engines.

What I would really like to see, though, is a Gran or Rodian as a buddy or NPC, and not just cannon-fodder.

Furthermore, I think it would be cool if they talked to you in their native tongue, and a subtitle translation appeared at the bottom of the screen. That would truly give it the classic Star Wars feel, IMHO. ;-)

StephenG 10-03-2001 12:43 AM

Fett aint dead and just because kyle defeated him in dark forces that shouldn't mean he should not re-appear.

Denise 10-03-2001 12:55 AM

No, he's not dead, he's just a laughable clown of an "adversary" that would be difficult to take seriously. :)

Tap[RR] 10-03-2001 07:10 PM


Originally posted by Denise:
<STRONG>Our Intrepid Hero™ beat Boba Fett once before (Dark Forces), and that was without the Force. Between that experience and tangling with Luke, one would think the poor clown would steer WELL clear of Kyle Katarn, Jedi in general, and most especially a Jedi Kyle Katarn. :D

Not that slapping him around again wouldn't be amusing, to be sure. ;)

Nah, boba fett was always picked on by lucas, (**shakes his fist at lucas*Damn lucas!!) he didnt get a decent death/near death scene in return of the jedi :\. Heh i think he shoulda put up more of a fight, guess george needed to cut some time or something. Why? Cause, if the mandolorians are supposed to be all high and mighty (jedi killers), then why and how did han easilly *poke* the jetpack throwing fett over. Bad script i tell ya!! Also, boba could train and become better, and i think boba shoulda won that fight with kyle in DF, (not really a hardcore fett fan, but, he deserves a decent scene FOR ONCE! STOP PICKING ON FETT!!!!) ;)

GA zaarinn 10-03-2001 08:23 PM

i 2 would like to see boba fett but smarter and trained better and using half the weaopns he has (flame thrower rocket darts) also massive quantities of stormtroopers.

GonkH8er 10-03-2001 08:51 PM

I'd love to see a flame thrower rocket dart! That'd be interesting! :)

acdcfanbill 10-04-2001 02:52 AM

how about a varity of aliens, and you dont know if their friend or foe.... maybe they wouldnt start shooting at you right away, maybe even give you some useful info, then when you turn around to leave, they whip out a pistol and blast you in the back... the only people who walk around with guns out all the time are security guard-types, and stormtroopers. so, your average alien wouldnt have a gun out, unless they knew you were coming, and had orders to kill you. the normal people you see should all have their weapons holstered...

the fact that they dont know your coming, and that you cannot tell who is the enemy would be heightened by more non-linear levels... one of my favorite LA levels is Sanctuary in Outlaws, simply because its not linear at all, its a damn town!! even the nar shaddaa level in jk was linear, if you could make levels that were huge rolling landscapes, or cityscapes with multiple building to enter, elevators, multiple floors to visit, subway (or equivalent) systems, that would make finding the true enemy all the more great, and gameplay and replayability is heightened...

cossack1812 10-04-2001 10:07 AM

I agree with stunnedtodeath, im sick of blasting moronic rodians and blasting stormtrooper after stormtrooper can get a little tiring(after a long time).

What i want is an exotic enemy, like the Noghri or some of those crystal creatures that Han and Chewie encounter on Kessel. in general better baddies, and some new ones would be refreshing.

But isnt it a bit to late to be thinking of what kinda badguys to stick in?

Darth Lunatic 10-04-2001 10:19 AM

We need Vornskrr's or however you pronounce/spell it. They were the toughest enemy to kill in mysteries of the sith. Every other enemy was way too easy except maybe those Nogrhi.

StephenG 10-04-2001 10:37 AM


StormHammer 10-04-2001 06:39 PM

Okay, here are a few more (quirky) ideas for enemies...

Mouse droid bombs that target you and chase you around the level - instant panic. ;-)

Some BIG fast fish...anything from Naboo would do.

Jawas with Ion-canon...who can destabilize your personal shield generator (and weapons) and make you vulnerable to attack. Of course, if you capture an Ion canon, you can have some serious fun...

A Swoop gang, on swoops, firing at you. Then you can do the trick with the lightsaber and cut their front ends off.

A Hutt on an armoured Repulsor sled constructed from salvaged Droideka parts (including a working shield generator) as an end-of-level boss.

A Crimson Guard cult.

Guess that's it for now...

SlowbieOne 10-04-2001 07:29 PM

Maybe the empire had some Dark Troopers stashed away... ;)

StephenG 10-04-2001 08:38 PM


Originally posted by SlowbieOne:
<STRONG>Maybe the empire had some Dark Troopers stashed away... ;)</STRONG>
i hope they do, cause i wanta fight one using Quake 3 power!

BluRR 10-05-2001 05:54 AM

How about possessed R2 droids?

StormHammer 10-05-2001 07:41 AM

Possessed? :eek:

I don't know about that...but maybe the R2 units should have the same capability as R2 from the films. If you recall, he was able to generate a smoke-screen, and use one of his appendages as an electric-prod. And if you go around destroying them, maybe all the R2 units gang up on you, and try to shock you to death. ;-)

Darth Lunatic 10-05-2001 10:12 AM

Yes, that would make menacing foe. A force unlike the universe has ever seen.


[ October 05, 2001: Message edited by: Darth Lunatic ]

GonkH8er 10-05-2001 11:45 AM

oh look at me, I'm shaking in my little space boots.....

I wouldn't mind seeing an ET cameo :) or maybe a pit droid. something amusing anyway. Perhaps a Gonk shrine :)

SlowbieOne 10-05-2001 01:05 PM

Good thinking Stormhammer. The R2's should have some sort of defense mechanism if you provoke them.

Unless they are mental.

GonkH8er 10-05-2001 01:20 PM

Yes, they could have the same with gonks. Droids that fight back. Hapless slaughtering may get a bit boring without retalliation...


nah :)

Lord_FinnSon 10-05-2001 05:00 PM

Well, in TPM game there was few R2 units that tried to shock Panaka and Obi-Wan... Okey forget that I mentioned that game! :( Seriously, I would like to see more interaction with astromech AND protocol droids; in MotS there was few situations where you needed their help but not too often. Come on, droids are crucial part of the movies and SW universe, enemies or not. Assassin Droid from MotS, for example, could easily make reappearance or perhaps Empire has digged up some of Episode I-II era Battle Droids/Droidekas to aid them... :D

[ October 05, 2001: Message edited by: Lord_FinnSon ]

techsurfer 10-06-2001 11:40 AM

The Empire had special forces for different hazardous conditions - remember the snow troopers in The Empire Strikes Back. Maybe we could have some of them and more for swamp land. Also, the giant reptiles that the storm troopers rode in A New Hope on Tatooine would be great.

GA zaarinn 10-06-2001 03:20 PM

like the ones in episode 1 the game

StormHammer 10-07-2001 02:51 PM

Gonk...LOL :D

I can just imagine some backward planet with primitives worshipping a battered old Gonk Droid on a pedestal. ;-)


I too would like to see more interaction with droids for the reasons you mentioned. Like getting an R2 unit to jack in and open a blast door in your way.


Yeah, I have to agree about troopers showing a diversity of armour/clothing - and even tactics - depending on the environment. The same goes for any of the characters, though.

It might also be cool if you could catch some stormies in their barracks, with only half their armour on...or minus a helmet or something.

toms 10-10-2001 11:53 AM

Snow troopers would be very cool... they even looked good in that echo base level of SOTE.

In fact.. a snow based level would be cool.. the one in DF was... especially with tauntauns, snow troopers, falling ice, snow beasts etc.. Imagine throwing your saber to drop stalagmites on stormies... Or just colapse the whole coridoor on them.

Some stormies with those big heave blaster weapons that had to be set up on tripods would be cool as well. (I think they had those in SOTE as well). It would be really cool if they ran in and started setting them up, so you had to take them out before they were in place.

Some swamp/rubbish levels with those trash-compactor snake monsters that were in DF1 would be cool too... they would look much better in proper 3d.

Some big dragons/creatures are essential.

Assasin droids would be nice...if they made them really evil. NOgrhi would be very cool... As would undercover stormie infiltration squads dressed as regular citizens.

Sand people on banthas.
Dark troopers, crimson guard. all cool.

toms 10-11-2001 04:08 AM

It would be nice if not all the "bosses" were Dark Jedi (there are a lot of them).

Maybe a few original bounty hunters or something... at least before he gets his saber back.
This would add a bit of variation to boss battles... as it would be nice to have the odd boss battle that wasn't totally FORCE/SABER.

If they are gonna invent new storm troopers, it would be cool if they could make some standard imperial army troopers (standard Starship troopers style grey jumpsuits and helmets?)

Speeder bike enemies would be cool.. but only if they fly like proper speederbikes, swooping down on you rather than hovering. It would be cool to time it right and jump up to slice through their steering vanes.

Darth Lunatic 10-11-2001 08:52 AM

Awesome ideas Toms!!

I like the snowtroopers suggestion, and speeder bikes..well that would just be plain awesome! The trooper is circling you taking pot shots then you cut his bike up into little piece MUWAHHAHAHA...ahem..

But we still need some of the MOTS enemies in there...sith statues hint hint. Nogrhi and Vornskrrs as well.

[ October 11, 2001: Message edited by: Darth Lunatic ]

stefun 10-11-2001 05:33 PM

Hi, I'm new to this forum.

What I would like, are lots of prime hunters (dunno if I said the correct words, but I mean like Rodian and Boba Fett).

StormHammer 10-11-2001 08:01 PM

Hi, Race_Fan. Welcome to the Forums. ;-)

Do you, by any chance, mean Bounty Hunters? Yes, I think most of us would like to see some Hunters in the game. :)

acdcfanbill 10-12-2001 03:40 AM

welcome to the edge of sanity, enjoy your stay :D :D

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