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DIK_Rage 06-03-2001 11:02 PM

MSN Gaming Zone
with the talk I've been hearing about JK2 being all quake-like and being on "servers", I guess it won't be on the zone? :confused:

Kwup 06-03-2001 11:03 PM

I sure as hell hope it isn't on the zone, if it is, well there goes another great game :mad:

Red_XIIII 06-03-2001 11:20 PM

I hope it has an ingame IM and Fourm mutch like Tribes 2 These are Musts if it is to have good clan support, its either this or have support on the zone.
I am one that dosn't like gamespy3d or arcade (arcade really sux now that they have incorparated FULL SCREEN ADS!)

Kwup 06-03-2001 11:25 PM

Forums in Tribes 2 are useless, just newbie spam.

Chat, only thing that could make it better really is vchat :D.

News is good I guess.

I like the idea of choosing your skin/voice before joining a game, it makes it so much easier.

E-mail is nice....but regular e-mail is just as good, an IM feature would be better.

Ah...Browser...the real shining relic of Tribes 2. I think it is a 100% absolute must in JK2, but I guess that is up to Lucasarts if they want to run a central server like that or not (rather costly I'd say).

magnus 06-03-2001 11:32 PM

I think the design of the forums in Tribes 2 is a great solution... although filled with "newbie spam" like Kwup said, it can be pretty amusing, as well as a mood booster :)

SithTexasDeath 06-03-2001 11:38 PM

Dude Use Gamespy arcade. Everyone should use GSA its better. When Jk2 comes out im sure it will be on GSa just have to wait. :p

Kwup 06-03-2001 11:39 PM

I'm not paying money to use some **** like that

runab0ut 06-04-2001 01:53 AM


Originally posted by Kwup:
<STRONG>I sure as hell hope it isn't on the zone, if it is, well there goes another great game :mad:</STRONG>

in a matter of fact... i'm pretty sure that JK2 as a Q3A engined product will have dedicated/listen servers as a method of playing online rather than joining the ZONE for its hosting for the game.... either way... having the zone as kind of a WON-a-like wouldnt hurt.

digl 06-04-2001 02:23 AM

I hope it has nothing to do with the Zone

Caradoc 06-04-2001 06:02 AM

Well... I have had some really good experence with the Zone. Yes, You can only have 4 ppl in a game enless you use IP. Allso, Ever sence ZF its just got worce(lag). With JK you cant use severs...Not the Zone's falt. Allso im glad that there are sysops to keep the BS down. I have had some really good times online because of the Zone. Who would have played JK more than 4mon if not for the Zone or had as many friends? We all would like to have servers. And looks like we will get them ... grate! Im all for it. But the Zone was a grate place to have with the game. I will miss having it in JKO.

ZeroXcape 06-04-2001 06:05 AM

If it is in any way, shape, or form related to the zone... ugh. At least we know it won't be.

Red_XIIII: The Tribes 2 feaures are really just a waste. Clans surive with or without ingame communication features. In fact, most clans are stronger when they have their own sites, meeting times, practices, newsgroups, etc that are outside of the game. It makes for a more well-rounded clan member.

ReAcToR 06-04-2001 06:26 AM

I could care less as to whether or not JKII will be playable over the Zone. I just know that I won't be playing there, and anyone else who has had experience with modern-day games, probably won't either. If you want to chat, head to mIRC or Gamespy Arcade. The Zone is about the worst place to play games online, period. I wouldn't play JK there, if the entire Gamespy Arcade JK community weren't so newbish(they all think I use cogs).

I will be chatting in #JediKnight on mIRC - and playing on private servers and Gamespy.

Archie 06-04-2001 06:37 AM

Just a question, but do we really expect clans for JKII. They're rare enough in Q3, you expect them in an even more single-played biased game?

Caradoc 06-04-2001 06:56 AM

Anyone hear play the IP games from the JKMAG page? It was the only outher place than the Zone I played. Im up for a new way for sure...But y all the hostility for the Zone? It is free. The only game iv played were you really get to konw the outher ppl playing. I have played CS for a long time and I have never got to know anyone well. Thats what ill miss. Not the Zone. It's just a page on the net, No bigy. This game is going to be HUGE! Having somthing to bring it all (players,clans,mods,mapers) togeather would be nice. Maby we could (all of us) Come up with somthing new . An idea that has not found its way into a game yet. Somthing to set JKO one up on the rest. With the 300 diferent news pages and 12,000 servers.

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Caradoc ]

GonkH8er 06-04-2001 07:28 AM

Look at jediknight. Every time I go on the zone *cringe* I see pretty much most of the people in clans. Heck, I still use my old clan's tag.

I think people want to enjoy star wars as a group of people with a common love for lucas's creations. We know we can all relate to eachother.

With quake 3, you just get a bunch of people jump on a server and blow eachother to bits. No deeper meaning to quake 3. Just a deathmatch.

Star wars is so much more than that. It has stories, adventures, and a fighting style other than the standard 'point and shoot'. It has saber fighting. :D

My old clan mates and I, we had HEAPS of fun. Even though we didnt play many team games, just uniting under 1 name and getting to know these guys who liked whacking people with fuzzy light sticks as much as you was a real experience.

I think clans will be a rather large part of jk2 online.

Thats just my view anyway :)

runab0ut 06-04-2001 07:34 AM

if people would'nt want to use the zone... just play the bots, which is a feature for the Q3A engine.

offline play is readily available. :D

Kwup 06-04-2001 10:32 AM

If you think the zone is good, you are DEAD wrong!

Sysops - Well, in real games we have bots. They are automated programs that will kick people who refuse and abuse the rules. G from UT and Shazbot from Tribes 2 are perfect examples.

4 Players- ever play JK with 16 players? It OWNS! by having only 4 allowable players the zone is proving it's own stupidity. :rolleyes:

Dedicated servers are SOO much better, anyone who hasn't used them are missing out. Lag is sparse, many people can play, and admins can change almost anything in the game, including kicking and BANNING people.

ReAcToR 06-04-2001 10:40 AM


Just a question, but do we really expect clans for JKII. They're rare enough in Q3, you expect them in an even more single-played biased game?
You can expect clans to be in any online multiplayer game. Clans rare in Q3? There are hundreds, if not thousands of Q3 clans. There are already tons of JK clans planning to expand to JKII. Mine is one of them.


But y all the hostility for the Zone?
I can't speak for everyone, but personally I seriously dislike the Zone. Sure, you have a chatroom where you can chat amongst other players, but you can find that on mIRC, Gamespy Arcade or just about any other program in the world. I've been banned multiple times for doing nothing other than posting links. The day Gamespy Arcade came out, I was banned from the Zone for a week for just posting a link to it(The Gamespy Arcade programmers found this to be hilarious BTW, when I told them about it - One of them decided to come post the link with me when my ban was over). Same thing happened back in 1999 when I posted a link to QTracker. I was muted a few days ago for helping a newbie, by giving him a link to Spork. I think that people are capable of doing/saying whatever they want, and if the Zone would simply make a better "chat-filter" we wouldn't have to see kiddies on a power-trip banning us every 5 seconds. I don't know what it is about the people who run the Zone, and their ethics, but I don't want someone who doesn't even know me, banning me for no logical reason and telling me what I can and can't say. I live in the USA, not China for crying out loud.


With quake 3, you just get a bunch of people jump on a server and blow eachother to bits. No deeper meaning to quake 3. Just a deathmatch.
I resent that. :)

My clan(NDS), started off as a Q2 CTF clan back in 1998 and we were about as deep as it gets. You don't need a deep SP storyline to have a good MP game. Alot of the people that play games could care less about the storyline anyways. You blow eachother to bits in every FPS game, it's what we play for. A clan is as deep as you make it. A game is just the terrain in which your clan does battle. The Quake series is a very hardcore game, and as far as teamplay goes, it's far superior to JK/MotS, as are most games of today. I just hope that JKII will have teamplay that is even half as good.


if people would'nt want to use the zone... just play the bots, which is a feature for the Q3A engine.
You can rest assured that the Zone won't be the only place to play JKII. At least, and I think I can speak for 99% of us, we hope not.

GonkH8er 06-04-2001 10:49 AM

reactor- i wasnt saying that you need a good sp storyline for good mp. i was just saying that you dont play quake 3 to feel part of the quake universe...

some people do with star wars :)

DIK_Rage 06-04-2001 06:57 PM

screw that of course zone is a piece of ****, and I've played every new game out today, and I hate every single one of their multiplayer communities. I currently play t2 and I love it, pubbing is alright, but kickin it on the zone, talkin ****, then takin to the game, kicking ass, come out, and talking even MORE **** was what made mots/JK so much fun. the idea of it NOT being hosted by zone is very lame. if people want quake bull**** let them go play quake on gay "servers" using gay programs like gamespy or whatever.

CaptainRAVE 06-04-2001 07:03 PM


DrIfTeR 06-04-2001 07:08 PM

I have recinded or whatever this post because i dont want anyone else to know it.

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: DrIfTeR ]

Red_XIIII 06-04-2001 07:11 PM

the zone sux ingame server searches sux like in quake gamespy arcade and 3d sux, yes they all sux, even the nice ingame Tribes2 one sux, they all have flaws but if i was force bewteen what ones to use for my game i was going to release it would be a combo of in gameserver and zone + also arcade support the zone is a great place for community arcade is just faster at refreshing servers and also has an IM and ingame for after u finshed a SP lvl and just want to find a quick game without going back to the desktop, alto of current games support all three, its a good concept.

Kwup 06-04-2001 07:12 PM

?!? tell me what is wrong with the Tribes 2 in-game servers?

Red_XIIII 06-04-2001 07:14 PM

i din't say theres nothing wrong with it, it lacks Im and a File transfer progy, it does refresh at half the rate it would on gamespy arcade tho, if your on 56k its a long wait.

Kwup 06-04-2001 07:17 PM IM isn't a problem for me, you can just start up a new chat room with the person your talking to. But ther servers DO refresh very slowly....wonder if that could ever be fixed

SithTexasDeath 06-04-2001 07:22 PM

Kwup GsA Is FREE! poo doo!
If you register it its 20 bucks

Kwup 06-04-2001 07:23 PM

still sucks ;)

and how old do you have to be to still be allowed to say "poo doo"? :confused:

DIK_Rage 06-04-2001 08:58 PM

the community is what its all about, playing on servers with random people, or even playing on 1 server consistantly with a few "regulars" is lame, it gets old. on zone its ONE community, mostly everybody who plays the game plays it there, its 100x better than any other type multiplayer community out there. besides I'm sure zone will keep with the times and make it go up to more than 4players, but even so, I don't want a lame ass 32 player game, if the levels/maps are big I'll be happy with 6 to 8.

Kwup 06-04-2001 11:25 PM

I guess it does depend on how the game sells. The reason the MotS community was so tight is because for 2 years there have never really been over 140 or so people at peak times. In tribes 2 there are what? 60,000? If the game is as popular as Tribes 2 then the zone may not even be able to support JK2.

ReAcToR 06-05-2001 12:59 AM


the community is what its all about
The community is only part of what it is all about. People should be able to play where they want. If you want to play on the Zone, you should have that option. If I want to play on Gamespy and chat in #JediKnight, I should have that option.


its 100x better than any other type multiplayer community out there.
There are alot of people that would dispute that. Considering that the majority of gamers don't play Jedi Knight, I would guess that the majority of people would dispute that. Myself, I've always been more impressed by the EverQuest community. I find that 99% of the Zoners are just 12 year olds who do nothing but flood and download cogs. I play in private games usually, to avoide the common trash.


I don't want a lame ass 32 player game
What is so lame about having 32 people involved in some hardcore gaming all at the same time, all on one server? I think it makes for an interesting situation.


if the levels/maps are big I'll be happy with 6 to 8.
That's fine, but realize that alot of people want more than 6-8 players. I for one would be dissapointed if the game didn't allow 5v5 and 2 scectators to record demo's for teamplay modes. Giving the server-owners the ability to change the number of players to as few or as many as they want, seems like a good idea to me. Having less than 32 players, is simply going back in time.

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: ReAcToR ]

COWB0Y 06-05-2001 08:08 AM

haha preach on brother rage, whats the fun in online gaming if you dont get to know the people you are gaming with... and if you don't know the people you are gaming with that takes all the fun out of talking trash.

Kwup 06-05-2001 02:12 PM

/me thinks DIK is just afraid that another clan will come along and own them in JK2.

OK, so maybe I'm abit jealous, but it seems that there are like 2 active DIK's

btw. I saw NiCo in #tsn on
I wonder what it feels like for him to not be the premier gamer in the chat room :p

Bartolo_JCS 06-05-2001 02:20 PM

use IRC.......

Andrewfus 06-05-2001 06:02 PM

Here is my problem with the zone. every time i visit there, i see the same tourettes cases in the rooms cussing people out and generally trolling. one time, 2 guys were posting links, saying they were to a new fan made level, but were actually links to a gay porn picture with infinate pop ups. now, i like jokes as well as the next guy, but i have a 11 year old brother that likes to play jedi knight too. and i DO NOT want him seeing such crap. hell, im 26 and I DONT want to see that kind of crap!! maybe with dedicated servers, people who do that kind of crap will be perminately banned. great incentive to not pull that kind of garbage.

i like the idea of more control in banning people from the server for gross misconduct. i dont mean for small things, like heated arguments.. i mean, stuff happens, but when people blatently breaking major rules like i mentioned above. chat blocks.. im all for. my hope is for jediknight 2 servers to be places for only jediknight 2 related stuff, and people will be at least civil out of fear of eternal banishment to the zone.. thats enough incentive for me to be nice!!!!!!

Wilhuf 06-05-2001 06:10 PM

Yep, time to face the music. The JKO move to dedicated servers marks the end of the Zone Troll.

CaptainRAVE 06-05-2001 06:17 PM

So lets sum up this thread.......the zone sux!! :)

DIK_Rage 06-05-2001 07:18 PM

Reactor, basically, what you are saying is, you want to play quake with a saber.
screwwwwwwww that, I hope to hell that JK2 doesn't become as popular as tribse 2. like Kwup said, in mots, when it was at its peak, we had 100+ people, the community was tight, anybody who was anybody knew who each other was, if you were enemies or friends, whatever.

and the 32 player game bs goes back to the "quake with a saber" deal, I'm sorry but if I wanna be fighting against 31 people at once maybe I'll think about playing quake 3 or UT. but both them games SUCK ass.

and kwup, who are you? and I frequent #TsN, I'm there everyday.

as for you wilhuf, [no no, that just won't do - Jeff'W]

In my opinion, the idea of JK2 being based on the Q3 engine is totally lame, and a HUGE disappointment, I'm remaining skeptical as to whether or not the game will be good, though. but all these characteristics are from quake, which is pretty much why I don't like any of em, the zone issue is another one, probably to me the biggest issue.

oops I rambled, oh well.

[ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: Jeff Walters ]

wardz 06-05-2001 07:37 PM

Most other sensible people would like his input, and often ask it..


Kwup 06-05-2001 08:09 PM

I'm Kwup :)

I really only go to #tsn for matches and for pranks, so basically just for the shoutcasting

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