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Ice Man 06-11-2001 07:27 PM

Kyle Katarn
Okay, can we just establish a certain fact here:

Because it doesn't look the way I remember him. Now I don't actually own JK or MOTS, but I've played there demos and I'm a pretty knowledgeable Star Wars fan. Nor does the image look like this:

So are they both Kyle?
In the first picture, assuming that's Kyle, then he looks a lot younger and less muscular than in pic #2.
Your opinions?

CaptainRAVE 06-11-2001 07:37 PM

Why are you dwelling on screenshots.....these have nothing to do with JK2. Just a rushed demo made in a month to show at E3! And anyway, with Jk u couldnt really make out any features anyway seein as his limbs didnt even join together!

Sherack Nhar 06-11-2001 07:51 PM

Actually, I think that JK2's in-game Kyle looks a lot like he did in JK1's filmed cutscenes. Take a look:

About the second pic you posted... I don't really think he looks like Kyle. Too muscular, and the shape of the head is too... blocky. He looks more like Dash Rendar than Kyle Katarn...

CaptainRAVE 06-12-2001 06:50 PM

Hey, maybe the second pic is the dark jedi!!!

En Taro Taldarin 06-12-2001 06:52 PM

Yeah, at first I thought he was Kyle 'cause he has an orange sabre like Kyle did in MOTS, but then I realized he didn't really look like then guy from the JK cutscenes and the sabre color was probably 'cause of the lighting in the picture.

matt-- 06-12-2001 06:52 PM

Another twist.

The Wanderer 06-13-2001 09:13 AM

mayhaps, but I definately think the second picture looks cooler, a visual improvement IMHO. And it seems more like the Kyle back from dark forces. I never liked the cutscenes from JK anyway, every time I see them I smell the distinct oder of ham. Besides, it takes place 4 or 5 years later, I think Kyle would have gotten some new duds by then.

GonkH8er 06-13-2001 09:22 AM

perhaps an older luke :)

En Taro Taldarin 06-13-2001 11:13 AM

That definatly does NOT look like Luke in any way whatsoever.

digl 06-14-2001 01:08 AM


I don't actually own JK or MOTS
Wow you are probably the only one here!Get then both man!they are on of the best games of PC history

About the pics
Maybe its a hint about the storyline
We could get to play Kyle at two different ages
Or maybe Its an older Luke as gonk says

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: digl ]

Sherack Nhar 06-14-2001 01:40 AM

Come on guys, it's Kyle... It was just a quick CG by the Lucasarts guys to get us all hyped up when they announced the game...

Why would they put an older Luke to represent JK2...

I like the idea of having to control Kyle at two different ages. It won't happen, but it would've been cool.

Tre Lightshadow 06-14-2001 02:27 AM

Ya then this could turn into the Ocarina of Time all over again!!!!!!!!!! Kyle would be a cute fairy forest boy! ;)

CaptainRAVE 06-14-2001 06:12 PM

Does it matter if its Kyle or not. It was probably something they just made up to make the site look better. You lot take things so seriously!

Ice Man 06-14-2001 10:18 PM

Captain Rave, you're right. I'm judging from an Alpha version. It might not even be Kyle in the pic. I don't know for sure. I'm just hungry for info and little hyped up, I guess. The second pic does look like Dash Rendar. I'm a huge fan of Dash Rendar (Read Shadows of the Empire!!!) and I guess I was subconsciously hoping that Kyle would look like him. :) I guess we'll see, right?

En Taro Taldarin 06-15-2001 02:18 PM

Dash Rendar isn't too big of a character in Shadows of the Empire, and he dies in the end anyway. Oh, and, Iceman, you really oughta get JK and MOTS.

[ June 15, 2001: Message edited by: En Taro Taldarin ]

Wilhuf 06-15-2001 02:21 PM

OBVIOUSLY it's Kyles Evil Galactic Twin, Lyle.

Syndrix 06-15-2001 03:12 PM

I highly doubt that it is Kyles Evil Galactic Twin, Lyle, Wilhuf. Maybe its his not-so-well-tempered kind of grumpy cousin. Think about it... Yeah

ed_silvergun 06-15-2001 03:35 PM


Originally posted by Tre Lightshadow:
<STRONG>Kyle would be a cute fairy forest boy! ;)</STRONG>
Wilhuf's sense of humour has a strong influence on the weak-minded. ;)


En Taro Taldarin 06-15-2001 03:42 PM

Or maybe it's his alter ego, Pyle Popcorn! :D

CaptainRAVE 06-15-2001 05:12 PM

We all really should take this more seriously...or maybe not!

X-Vector 06-15-2001 07:13 PM

The guy in that second pic is Kyle's Austrian brother, Arnold Katarn.

Actually the Kyle in the first picture bears a strong resemblance to the Kyle in Jedi Knight, so I don't think Raven should change his appearance too much, if at all.

Of course the Kyle Katarn we know from Dark Forces looks completely different from both Kyle and Arnold Katarn as shown in these two pictures.
Judging from the intermission cinematics in DK, I'd say Kyle bore a striking resemblance to a disgruntled Jeff K at the time (same hairstyle for example).
The really disturbing thing is however, that although he *looked* like Jeff K, I remember Kyle *screamed* like Zach de la Rocha (of Rage Against The Machine fame) when plummeting towards his death from an icy cliff as he was wont to do in those days.
I must confess, this strange discontinuity has really kept me puzzled for countless sleepless hours on end.

Ice Man 06-16-2001 02:30 PM


Originally posted by En Taro Taldarin:
<STRONG>Dash Rendar isn't too big of a character in Shadows of the Empire, and he dies in the end anyway.</STRONG>
I came across a site once; a Dash Rendar fan site, which stated that Rendar didn't die at the end of the book. I wrote this guy an e-mail and he replied that Dash faked his death so that Imperials wouldn't put a bounty on his head and chase after him. Dash later appears in a comic book, he said. Don't ask me which one, I don't read the SW comics.
But if you think about it, the death sequence in SOTE is pretty lame and unheroic, leaving a fealing that he might still be alive.
Anyway, back to JKII :).

digl 06-16-2001 05:44 PM

Just like Boba Fett

acdcfanbill 06-16-2001 07:43 PM

well, to me the man in the screen shots look to lanky to be kyle, even the kyle in the movie shots from JK. and the fact that he has a blue saber makes me think it isnt kyle too. of course all Jedi are suppose to build their own sabers, but Kyle doesnt seem to me like the kind of guy who would stick to tradition, plus, he's probly to busy (lazy) to build himself one. i know programmers dont get out much, but im sure they would remimber that kyle had an orange saber. anyone else think so?

[ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: acdcfanbill ]

digl 06-16-2001 07:49 PM

thats some long signature!

acdcfanbill 06-16-2001 08:02 PM


Originally posted by digl:
<STRONG>thats some long signature!</STRONG>
some might say im using the large size of my signature to make up for other things, well, actually i am, see, my hard drive is too small, only 4 gig, tisk tisk, im ashamed...

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