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Xanthus 06-14-2001 07:29 PM

Kyle Vr. Luke
 
No im not suggesting that Kyle and Luke are going to fight in jk2. but just for aruments sake who do u think would win?

Personaly even tho Luke has come a long way since he was that ***** little farmboy he still is a loser. Even tho he defeated Darth Vader it was after he was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda. Not to mention the first time he tried he got his ass kicked in the end he sorta prevailed.

Then again Kyle had no traing (aside from killing 5 dark jedi, yes 5 because he didn't kill Yun) befor he went up againnst Jerec whos powers were suposed to rival those of Darth Vader.

well any comment or questions?

CaptainRAVE 06-14-2001 07:35 PM

If in a game......you were playing with luke, then luke would win. If you were playing wi kyle, then Kyle would win.

If in the film then whoever the good guy was would win (the light side person)!

Swoosh 06-14-2001 08:19 PM

Luke would win. He may have looked like a wuss in the movies...but he becomes the man after vader is gone. Luke taught all the new Jedi, and therefore he is superior to all of them...especially Kyle who received no training.

Swoosh

GonkH8er 06-14-2001 11:28 PM

But kyle has the beard of power. i dont see lukey boy with any beard. And lukes got deep psychological problems anyway. I'd bet by now he's cracked and he's a raving luatic :)


kyle would win. he has the beard. he has the power

wardz 06-14-2001 11:31 PM

Kyle would pull all the chicks with a porn star beard like that which makes him look TUFF, Luke looks like a little weasel,

Who needs a lightsaber, Kyle has the power of the mach3 :)

wardz

[ June 14, 2001: Message edited by: wardz ]

GonkH8er 06-14-2001 11:36 PM

youre damn right. kyles a regular chick magnet. he's got mara, jan, sariss for about 10 seconds, and all those civilian women who say 'leave me alone' are just playing hard to get. but he has his way with them all in the end.... if he just pulls out his saber and swings it round a bit right near em, they love that.... they just go 'ehhhhhhhhhh' and swoon and fall down.... they love it :)

kyles real smooth.... the women arent even aware that he's coming in for the kill, as evidenced by their cries of 'whats happening?'


he's one 'tee yuu double eff' TUFF stud :cool:

wardz 06-14-2001 11:41 PM

But then again, Luke has got a fit sister! Gonk do ya reckon he could show her the error of her ways? :)

lol, If kyle gets the birds with his facial hair, Chewie must be like Hugh Hefner!!


wardz

GonkH8er 06-14-2001 11:46 PM

dude, that was about 10 years and 3 children ago :) do u know what 10 years and 3 children does to a woman?

wardz 06-14-2001 11:49 PM

Do you know what 10 years and 3 kids does to a wookie?! ;0)


wardz

Boba Rhett 06-15-2001 03:00 AM

I don't care what you say. Leia's still a hottie even after she had her children.

GonkH8er 06-15-2001 05:05 AM

i spose so...

i hear she's still a good lay (a)

:rolleyes:

dnalor 06-15-2001 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xanthus:
<STRONG>No im not suggesting that Kyle and Luke are going to fight in jk2. but just for aruments sake who do u think would win?

Personaly even tho Luke has come a long way since he was that ***** little farmboy he still is a loser. Even tho he defeated Darth Vader it was after he was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda. Not to mention the first time he tried he got his ass kicked in the end he sorta prevailed.

Then again Kyle had no traing (aside from killing 5 dark jedi, yes 5 because he didn't kill Yun) befor he went up againnst Jerec whos powers were suposed to rival those of Darth Vader.

well any comment or questions?</STRONG>
I think, Luke Skywalker is the strongest Jedi in the Galaxy, maximum he can help Kyle..

Bartolo_JCS 06-15-2001 08:57 AM

Everyone knows obi-wan's the best, he took out darth maul man....and there's still more to go... ;)

GonkH8er 06-15-2001 10:17 AM

yeah but look at obiwan now! he let his own apprentice destroy him :)

kyle would never do that... he has the beard....

GE_Luke 06-15-2001 10:48 AM

hehe
I think Luke would win
not cuz I've got the name (well...it IS a good reason ;))
but because Luke can resist the dark-side.
Like cptRAVE said, Light side would definetly win, and well...Kyle isn't that secure :)
Luke can resist the Emperor!!
Kyle..well, we all played MotS :D

[ June 15, 2001: Message edited by: GE_Luke ]

dnalor 06-15-2001 10:53 AM

I think, Luke's the best. He can develop a great force. He is the one. Nowadays he is much stronger than Palpatine used to be...

You know it well, this is a star wars story where you can play with Luke's apprentice, Kyle Katarn.

GonkH8er 06-15-2001 12:23 PM

ahhh but you see, that could work in kyles advantage, as he has delved into the dark side and can work from both sides of the ball park....

he's a little bit of this and a little bit of that. he has experience in things that luke doesnt..... POWERFUL things :)

En Taro Taldarin 06-15-2001 12:32 PM

If Darth Vader really wanted to kill Luke, he'd have torn him apart. The Emperor wanted Luke to kill Vader, because Luke had the potential (emphasis on potential) to become stronger than Vader, and killing him would help turn him to the dark side. Luke, at the time, was not stronger than Vader. Also, currently (in the New Jedi Order series), Luke, while very powerful, is still not as powerful as the emperor was. I say this, because he'd have to be a bit older to become as powerful as the emperor. Remember, the jedi he trained could become more powerul than him easily (well, not so easily, but they could). However, there are still no jedi who are stronger than he. Kyle actually did have training, Rahn as a spirit trained him, although he had no physical lightsaber training. So, Luke would win.

Also, before someone brings this up on the forum, which I know they will eventually, Qui-Gon was right about Anakin being the chosen one. Think about it, if Anakin hadn't turned to the dark side, he'd have been hunted down with all the other Jedi by the emperor who was the most powerful force user at the time (other than Yoda & Co.). Turning to the dark side allowed him to survive long enough to kill the emperor. While I admitt that without Luke to prompt his return to the lightside, he would not have done it, Luke was not powerful enough himself to kill the emperor. Without Darth Vader, Luke would be dead. So, in the end, Qui-Gon was right, and Anakin was the chosen one.

Letalis 06-15-2001 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonkH8er:
<STRONG>ahhh but you see, that could work in kyles advantage, as he has delved into the dark side and can work from both sides of the ball park....

he's a little bit of this and a little bit of that. he has experience in things that luke doesnt..... POWERFUL things :)</STRONG>
Didn't Luke get turned to the Dark Side in one of the books? And Leia turned him back? In which case Gonk, you'd be wrong, but that's not so infrequent, is it!? :D

You know i luv ya... ;)

En Taro Taldarin 06-15-2001 03:16 PM

No, it wouldn't give either of them an advantage, 'cause you can use any power while on either side, it just depends on how you use 'em.

Syndrix 06-15-2001 03:25 PM

Any if you are a light Jedi, how do you use force destruction in a positive way?
Just wondering...

Finalnight 06-15-2001 03:50 PM

Rubble clearing, saving cats from trees??? ;)
My votes with Kyle, Luke is still doing this s**t I DONT WANNA FIGHT ANYONE MOMMY routine.
But then again that is Kyle's Story at the start of JK II, hmmm....
Kyle should go pimping and have Jan and all the civilians be his whores, :cool: J/K...

Bartolo_JCS 06-15-2001 04:01 PM

hahaha, "You can't win Darth" he totally let's darth kill him so Luke can go on. Obi-Wan is not only the best jedi to live he made the wisest decisions. Except for continuing to train anakin. That might have been a bad decision. Other than that he is the man.

Finalnight 06-15-2001 04:09 PM

Should have Left Jar Jar on Tatooine, then he would be killed in EP II instead of Shmi.

Zuckuss13 06-15-2001 04:24 PM

Hi,

Just to point a few things out when you wre talking about Kyle getting all the Girls, Luke actully got Married to Mara Jade ( i think ) and Kyle would win because he is the Only man to have Killed a Dark Trooper and he's killed more Jedi's.

Do you think Luke will be in Jedi Knight 2, he could help you.

a good mission in it would be you build a time machine and go and Kill Jar Jar in the most painful way possible

mmmmmmmmmm.....

Thanks

Scott :p

En Taro Taldarin 06-15-2001 04:33 PM

Any Jedi could kill a Dark Trooper easily. Luke never killed one 'cause he never came across one. And having killed more Jedi (yes that is the correct plural) says nothing about one's skill. All the Jedi could have been very weak.

For Syndrix: It's very easy to use force destruction in a positive way. For example: If some Stormtroopers are shooting at some civilians, and there are too many too get all in time, you could use force destruction and be protecting all the civilians lives, and your own by removing the threat. Being a Jedi on the Light side doesn't mean you can't kill, it just means that you have to use your powers wisely, never kill with vengeance, or out of anger or hatred or any evil. When Yoda says only kill or use the force in defense, you can be defending anything, whether it's a person's future, or their life.

The Wanderer 06-15-2001 05:01 PM

the wisest???? dude, because of Obiwan, the Jedi nearly became EXTINCT. what are you smoking? And then for an oncore after he gets all of the other Jedi murdered, he hides and takes anakin's kid with him, to of all places, on Anakin's homeworld!!!! By what miriacle Vader never decided to look there I do not know. I'll attribute it to more bad writing on TMP's part :) And killing Darth Maul only means that he's slightly less of a wuss :)

As far as luke vs. Kyle goes... I'd have to vote Luke. Luke's had quite a bit of experience with the force thing, Kyle has not.

On a side note, does anyone else find it interesting how little training it takes to become a Jedi?? Luke Spent all of a day with Obiwan, and about a day with Yoda. And Kyle didn't get ANY training (spirit rahn merely told him to save the valley of the jedi in a vision or what-not, he didn't train him). those 7 dark Jedi really should've been able to tear him to pieces.

Now, what REALLY would have been neat would've been Kyle trying to find a way to save the valley of the Jedi without the benefit of being a jedi. having to outsmart them would've been cool.

En Taro Taldarin 06-15-2001 05:15 PM

You actually have no indication whatsoever of the time Luke spent with Yoda, it could have been a month for all you know. And, just because none of Kyle's training was in the cutscenes, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

CaptainRAVE 06-15-2001 06:04 PM

Anyway, its only fiction.

GonkH8er 06-16-2001 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Finalnight:
<STRONG>saving cats from trees??? ;)
</STRONG>

um yeah....

Luke- Don't worry maam, I'll get him down.... Here kitty kitty kitty... Hold on...


*Force Destruction Noise*

REEOOOOOOOOOOOWWW!


*noise of flesh and fur sizzling...*

Tre Lightshadow 06-16-2001 03:56 AM

OK, here goes.....
Vader could not have destroyed Luke,
Vader COULD have destroyed the emperor, the emperor just trained Vader to Fear him and think he was more powerful.
Yoda AND/Or Obi-Wan could have easily defeated Vader and/or the Emperor, they just knew the only way to turn Anakin back to the Lightside was throught his son.
Luke would rip the beard of off Katarn.
It was stated that Katarn destroyed seven Dark Jedi, in all the books and all the comics, how many did Luke destroy... and how many times did he save the galaxy, how many times did Katarn, but anyways, why would they fight? They wouldn't. They'd be happy little Yavin 4 forest Fairires and trade nice "happy" ;) stories of Jan and Mara.... *sigh* to be a Jedi (Knight(II)) :D

MaDMaN 06-16-2001 04:30 AM

Look the way i see it Luke is just wimp also Kyle became a master inside a week without any training that we know of. :confused: So I think that it would be a good fight but ultimately Kyle would prevail.

Morpheus 06-16-2001 04:30 AM

Luke

no doubt.

After all, the force is with him.

-The all powerful M.

Ari-Ben Kenobi 06-16-2001 05:48 AM

Ok all you Kyle lovers, drop your complete ignorance now, Luke would kick Kyle's sorry ass. Are you actually forgeting that he is the son of the chosen one? That he is stronger than Yoda? So you are saying this sorry ***** is stronger then Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker , and YODA?? What a bunch of dumbasses, sheesh!

GonkH8er 06-16-2001 06:43 AM

why would they fight? well they could be arguing over jan or mara :)


look, heres an idea. why dont we see what the wider community says and put it as our next poll? :)

MaDMaN 06-16-2001 08:55 AM

Kenobi Kyle would be better because WE trained him gave him our strengths and made him stronger than any Jedi before him. Luke's lineage gave him an advantage yes, made him strong in the force yes, but could he ever defeat one who has been trained by a thousand masters all over this world.. I think, NO I KNOW that Kyle could defeat this weakling Luke Skywalker anyday. Period.

Zuckuss13 06-16-2001 09:56 AM

hi,

Kyle would win if it was the Dark Kyle, the only Sith to have been killed by a light jedi was Maul and he was a sorry git( also Jeric and Co. By Kyle),Luke didn't Kill the Empoerer , Vader did and in Mysteries of the Sith Nothing could beat the Evil Kyle,

Thanks

Scott

StormHammer 06-16-2001 10:59 AM

Zuckuss...

Quote:

Kyle would win if it was the Dark Kyle, the only Sith to have been killed by a light jedi was Maul and he was a sorry git( also Jeric and Co. By Kyle),Luke didn't Kill the Empoerer , Vader did and in Mysteries of the Sith Nothing could beat the Evil Kyle.
Yes, I have to agree that Darth Maul was possibly killed a little too easily for a Sith apprentice. My understanding is that the Sith Lords are supposed to be more powerful than other Dark Jedi.

Jerec was simply a more powerful Dark Jedi - I don't think he was a Sith Lord, although he was probably well on the way to becoming one. Therefore, in those terms, Kyle only tackled Dark Jedi, whereas Luke tackled actual Sith Lords - the Emperor and Vader. Having said that, Luke would have lost his battle if Vader had not turned back to the Light to save his son.

And on a technical point, it could be argued that Vader did not physically kill the Emperor - he simply threw him down that shaft, which killed him. In a face-to-face battle, Vader would have lost against the Emperor - and in fact, he did, because he died as a result of the Emperor's Force Lightning in his weakened state. Luke certainly would never have prevailed against the Emperor if Vader had not intervened. ;)

MaDMaN 06-16-2001 11:04 AM

Whats the diff inbetween a dark jedi and a sith they seem like the same thing to me except the way DJ's hang in groups and the Sith train in groups of 2. If anyone knows would u plz tell me?
:mad:

CaptainRAVE 06-16-2001 01:44 PM

The sith are more powerful, but there can only be two as there is a limit to their power. Any more and they get weaker. We have never actually seen dark jedi in the films though, only sith.


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