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Endo'Cun 03-17-2002 09:27 PM

Water Affects
 
I can't wait for cloud city map, does anybody have any screenshots of it? Does it look like the one off of MotS...
But yah, How about the swimming...? and the water effects.
Has anybody ever seen any screenshots of water effects or swimming effects in it????

rolsen 03-17-2002 09:43 PM

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I don't recall seeing any screens w/
clear normal water, but there was that
older screen with the green goo stuff...
not very revealing though:

http://www.jediknightii.net/screenshots/screen032.jpg

There's also the pics of the lava/molten metal:

http://www.jediknightii.net/screenshots/screen038.jpg

Jedimaster74 03-17-2002 09:48 PM

I am pretty sure that the Cloud City Map will kick ass along with the Music involved with that particular level :)

GonkH8er 03-18-2002 01:30 AM

Lucasarts have had some pretty decnt water effects in their time. I remember (at least i think i do) that despite obiwan's shoddy blocky graphics and munted textures, the water effects were superb. I think we can trust that raven's done a pretty damn good job on it..

Can't wait to see the rain on water effects :)

UniKorn 03-18-2002 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonkH8er
Can't wait to see the rain on water effects :)
They are in the game?

TUS_Tomcat 03-18-2002 08:39 AM

How about snow?


I cant wait for a "Jedi snowball fight" mod

or a "Kill the Gonk with snowballs" mod



:)

Desslock 03-18-2002 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniKorn

They are in the game?

More than likely..

TiE23 03-18-2002 08:49 AM

Have any of you played Metal Gear Solid 2? It is the most realistic game I have seen:D I mean on the first level you are on a ship in a middle of a storm and it is raining, you can see the rain hit you and go off, and when you go insaide then out side you can tell it is the right door to go outside because his head band blows.
And I hope when you go in water and come out you look damp for a minute and get drier and drier as the time goes on, that would be cool!:cool:

TUS_Tomcat 03-18-2002 08:52 AM

He'll be dry in a second


Force Dryer, it's the recently announced mystery Force power included in JO...

Guaranteed 100% dry, against little Force cost

Proto 03-18-2002 08:58 AM

There is water in new trailer: in the scene where Kyle uses mind trick to blow up three officers.

GAT 03-18-2002 09:08 AM

Can Lightsabers really work under water? In Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Luke uses his lightsaber under water. And that perplexed me. I didn't know they were water proof. Which would almost make sense except the recharge socket.... would that mess with the electronics of the saber? And would the saber blade just boil and evaporate all the water that comes in contact with it?

My question is: Will you be able to use blasters and lightsabers under water? I think that is kind of unrealistic. Half-Life was really good about that. You could only use the Glock (I think that was it...) and the crowbar underwater. Oh yeah, and the crossbow. I was just wondering if anyone had heard. Otherwise, I'm content to wait until the game comes out.

GAT

txa1265 03-18-2002 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Proto
There is water in new trailer: in the scene where Kyle uses mind trick to blow up three officers.
I noticed that ... you get plenty of movement and detail ... just something nice in the background. I'm not so worried ... I've seen (played) RtCW and MoH:AA, which are supposed to 'just edge' JK2 in terms of graphics - and they are fantastic!

As for Splinter, it is clearly not 'Canon' ... in fact, if you check a cut scene from TPM, ObiWan had his saber 'on' when he landed in water on Naboo, burning out his power source - which is why he was running without his saber drawn. I have no idea what will happen in JK2, however.

Pedro The Hutt 03-18-2002 11:31 AM

Well perhaps it just differs from saber to saber, perhaps some jedis are smart enough to make their sabers waterproof. ^_^" And about the evaporating water thing, I don't know... a saber doesn't radiate heat. Altough it could be possible.. but in this case I would't mind having to sacrifice a bit of realism for saber usage underwater.

Jedi Howell 03-18-2002 11:43 AM

u can use blasters underwater in jk1

u can use the rpg and a few others(det packs, grenades) underwater as well in HL

er...
if u fire a blaster from outside the water, the shot got something-or-other-erized when it hits it, deflected somewhere else.

sabers are waterproof; u get a noisy hiss when underwater...i read that somewhere...

jh

TUS_Tomcat 03-18-2002 11:54 AM

I know OBi-Wan didnt kill those STAPs in episode I himself cause his saber didnt work cause it had been under water (the conversatio he had with Qui-Gon about this was cut from the movie)

but,

what about:

spoiler:
In episode II, Obi-Wan will have a battle with Jango Fett in the RAIN, his saber works just fine...

Kurgan 03-18-2002 08:59 PM

Easy explanation.. either waterproof lightsabers are invented sometime after the events of TPM, or Obi-Wan got his lightsaber parts from K-Mart.

Darth Yittreas 03-18-2002 09:09 PM

In the trailer II, in the mind trick scene, at the bottom-left corner, you can see ,a couple of times, some effect that looks just like water, although I wouldn't bet.

Executor32 03-18-2002 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TUS_Tomcat
He'll be dry in a second


Force Dryer, it's the recently announced mystery Force power included in JO...

Guaranteed 100% dry, against little Force cost

That gives me the perfect excuse to post this:

http://www.jediknight.net/3do/download/dcmjk.gif

GonkH8er 03-19-2002 12:37 AM

One thing I really wish was in the game is Environmentally Mapped Bump Mapping. When applied to water it looks absolutely gorgeous.... Pity a lot of cards dont support it.

Luckily, my card was the first to support hardware EMBM...

pity its hardly used :)

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_st...xpend1_off.jpg
Expendable, with EMBM off

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_st...expend1_on.jpg
Expandable, with EMBM on.....


It's not important.. but it's very pretty.

Keyan Farlander 03-19-2002 12:58 AM

Wow, that second one is sweet.

acdcfanbill 03-19-2002 01:21 AM

wow, [jaw drops] what card do you have anywho? i'll prob get the 8500 for JKII, and if its water is anything like that, well, i might just kiss the good folks at Raven... ok, so i wont, but that looks sweet...

GonkH8er 03-19-2002 01:24 AM

Matrox Millennium G400...

its a tnt2 era card, but it puts out....

does me quite well for everything...


lots of the gf2's and gf3's support EMBM..

ill find more pics ;)

StormHammer 03-19-2002 02:07 PM

Whew, Gonk, I remember seeing those pics when they first came out...a while ago, wasn't it? You're absolutely right...more games should support EMBM, especially now that most modern cards support it. Seems a bit pointless leaving it out when it can add so much.

As for water effects, the most realistic looking water I've seen to date is in this pic from the game Chrome. Good reflections, and detail of the ground under the water at a close distance.

I know that rain is confirmed to be in the game (along with fog), but they didn't specifically confirm snow. I know it's certainly possible - they had a nice snowy/icy level in SOF, for example. As for rain on water...it's the first I've heard of that for JKII. I know they've got that effect in Morrowind.

As for things like waterfalls, or water spilling out of pipes, etc., who can say? If those are in there, I hope they've done a similar job to H2 (and the new Unreal 2)...where the water comes out in an arc...not just straight down. :rolleyes:

I have to say that water is one of the things that is rarely done very well in games, probably because of it's complex nature and the technological limitations of the past. Refraction, reflection, shadows, seeing the bottom up to a certain radius...then the mirror effect, water ripples, distortions, raindrops (and other things) falling on the surface... Heh...it's a veritable computational nightmare. And that's before you even go under water... ;)

When a game finally delivers realistic water effects, I'll be very, very impressed. :)

TUS_Tomcat 03-19-2002 02:30 PM

This water looks great, for a flight sim especially:

http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/scr_f151.jpg

Lock On: Modern Air Combat (known to most as LOMAC)

www.lo-mac.com

Note, this is not even close to the final graphics engine, plus the game will also be highly realistic, if you want it to be, its scalable :)

ok thats not JO but it is EMBM :)

GonkH8er 03-20-2002 12:34 AM

lol i spent about 1/2 hr looking for that very picture tomcat. i couldnt remember the name of the game :)


good work!

Keyan Farlander 03-20-2002 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonkH8er
Matrox Millennium G400...

its a tnt2 era card, but it puts out....

does me quite well for everything...


lots of the gf2's and gf3's support EMBM..

ill find more pics ;)

My friend had that card, and was always complaining more games didn't support that feature :)

SpliffCartel 03-20-2002 09:55 AM

Speaking of realistic looking water, check out this shot of Morrowind! The preview itself is a good read as well.

Scrobes 03-20-2002 10:13 AM

Just one small point. Your original post Gonkh8er, with those 2 images. I agree that the second does looks much nicer with that water effect, BUT.. I must admit, that in consideration of the overall lighting/shadowing of the pic itself, I would actually say that the minimal effects for the water in the _first_ shot, actually look more appropriate for that specific image. Doesn't look quite right with such a big light glare on the water in the second shot, when that doesn't really exist elsewhere in the image. Was only a thought.

Anyway. 1st level of the (not so great) Wheel of Time first person adventure game shows off water quite well. You get off a boat onto the shore, and the river that is running by you looks very very realistic. :)

TUS_Tomcat 03-20-2002 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonkH8er
lol i spent about 1/2 hr looking for that very picture tomcat. i couldnt remember the name of the game :)


you like flightsims too? :)


Hey, and you know what they say:

Great minds think alike...

spoiler:
and so do dumb ones


:p


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