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What console shall I get? (2)
Could you give me more info on the Dreamcast regarding graphics and framerate (ect). What would be the Voodoo equilvilent?
I ask this because I currently own a Voodoo 3500 graphics card and it makes games look cool! Is the DC equilly cool and fast as the PS2? ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! |
Straight from http://dc.ign.com :
CPU: Hitachi SH4 RISC CPU with an operating frequency of 200MHz at 360 MIPS/1.4FLOPS. Graphics Sub-system: NEC PowerVR Second Generation (rendering capacity of more than 3 million polygons per second). Sound Processor: Yamaha Super Intelligent Sound Processor (simultaneously articulates 64 voices) with 3D environmental audio effects. Operating Systems: Customized Sega OS. Dreamcast is also designed to run a custom flavor of Microsoft Windows CE, and will display the official WinCE logo at startup if the game that's running utilizes it. Memory: 16MB main memory, 8MB video memory, 2MB sound memory. Total system memory: 26MB. CD-ROM Drive: 12x (Maximum) proprietary Yamaham GD-ROM (Gigabyte Disc) capable of holding up to 1GB of data. On-board Modem: 56 Kbps Controllers: Gray casing, featuring analog thumb stick, floating digital D-pad (cross-style), four face buttons (A, B, X, Y), and two analog triggers. Top of controller features two VMS slots and a small groove for routing the cable vertically. Controllers are expected to ship in multiple colors (red, blue, green, yellow, black) on a future date. Visual Memory (sold separately): A liquid-crystal display PDA for game data backup and data exchange. Console Dimensions: 7 7/16" X 7 11/16" X 3" Weight: 4.4lbs Included Accessories: Composite A/V cable, power cord, modular telephone cord, Dream Passport Internet access software, one controller. Straight from http://ps2.ign.com : CPU: 128 Bit "Emotion Engine" System Clock: 300 MHz System Memory: 32 MB Direct Rambus Memory Bus Bandwidth: 3.2 GB per second Co-Processor: FPU (Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 1, Floating Point Divider x 1) Vector Units: VU0 and VU1 (Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 9, Floating Point Divider x 1) Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS 3D CG Geometric Transformation: 66 million Polygons Per Second Compressed Image Decoder: MPEG2 Graphics: "Graphics Synthesizer" Clock Frequency: 150MHz DRAM Bus bandwidth: 48 GB Per Second DRAM Bus width: 2560 bits Pixel Configuration: RGB:Alpha:Z Buffer (24:8:32) Maximum Polygon Rate: 75 Million Polygons Per Second Sound: "SPU2+CPU" Number of voices: ADPCM: 48 channel on SPU2 plus definable by software Sampling Frequency: 44.1 KHz or 48 KHz (selectable) I/O Processor CPU Core: Current PlayStation CPU Clock Frequency: 33.8 MHz or 37.5 MHz (selectable) Sub Bus: 32 Bit Interface Types: IEEE1394, Universal Serial Bus (USB) Communication via PC-Card PCMCIA Disc Media: DVD-ROM (CD-ROM compatible) You figure out which is better; I've cancelled my PS2 and I'm getting a DC sometime in the near future. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg |
Good choice,Dave!
And BTW, how was your trip,and did you miss that storm that went by the UK and other countries(including Belgium, you should take a look at our garden.) Oh yeah, about those coloured joypads, you already can get those and other special joypads on import.(don't worry(be happy), they work fine on european machines) ------------------ No! I am your father. |
I came back just in time to catch the end of it; jeez, my pond overflowed! The fish were down by the plants at the bottom of the garden! My garden table smashed into the fence! One of my chairs is MIA (okay, not really, but you get the point).
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Good choice Dave! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif
Lotsa good games await you! And Tom, maybe you should get your P$2. Since you are a PSX fan, maybe you will enjoy the P$2 as well. I understand that you and Dave live pretty close to eachother. You could play DC at his house, maybe borrow it from him, while he does the same with your P$2. |
Oh, and regarding graphics and such...
I would say that the DC has very impressive graphics! It's hard to compare to a PC, because each PC has a different setup! Go to http://www.ign.com and visit the different sections, DC, P$2, PC and compare some screenshots! That'll give you a good idea! |
It's easy for Dave to say $od the PS2, he's got a PSX. The price difference between the PS2 and DC is £150, and that is a heck of a lot of money for me. The big question for now is which will last longer?
What I mean by this is; If I get a DC, will the games slowly fade away (the popularity decreases and will slowly grind to an early halt)? Of cource the PS2 will be more popular next year when everybody gets one for around £250 and all the companys like Sony again, The problem was it just got off on the wrong foot, so why are you dissing it? Let's just say you only live once, fellas... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...I am getting a PS2! Anybody who objects please speak now or forevor hold your peace. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! [This message has been edited by Saesee Tom (edited November 01, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Saesee Tom (edited November 01, 2000).] |
http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif HA HA! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif OH YES! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif WAHOOOO!!
Oh goodness, http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif HA HA!!!!!! I was right! Star Wars Episode I: OBI WAN is coming out for PS2! That's why they postphoned it! Check out ps2.ign.com or whatever the hell it is. The Ba$t**ds did it! And I am so proud of them. Well, to re-assure you of my choice, I am getting a PS2. You read it. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! |
can you post a link to the page you saw it, because I can't see anything about it. All I found was this...
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UPDATE! The release date page shows it for "TBA 2001". However, the same page has Munch's Oddysee slated for June 2001, and we know now (sniff) that won't be happening...
Games I'll definitely be getting for DC: Crazy Taxi, JPB, Super Bombad Racing, Racer, Demolition, Half Life, Unreal Tournament. Any other recommendations? ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg [This message has been edited by Dave Maul (edited November 01, 2000).] |
Sure! But first the reason why the long wait and cut for the PS2...
"Tied in to aliasing and anti-aliasing is the problem of flickering. In short, early PlayStation 2 games flickered and had no aliasing, and it showed, and it hurt. By bringing games up to a higher resolution many developers can eliminate flickering, and also reduce the harsh look of anti-aliased games in one." And for you techies... http://psxmedia.ign.com/media/news/i...erboardbig.jpg ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! |
So, after the long talk today, and after your decision to get a DC, you've set your sites on the PS2 again?!?!?
http://pocketmedia.ign.com/media/pre...iwan_line2.gif It is being released for Game Boy Colour, but these graphics don't do a good game justice. Where's our beautiful DC/PS2 port? ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg [This message has been edited by Dave Maul (edited November 01, 2000).] |
Dave, the GBC game is a different game, not Obi-Wan. It's called Obi-Wan's Adventures, and is not the same as the PC version.
Oh, and add Shenmue to your list. Looks set to be the best game on all platforms this year! http://www.shenmue.com And where did you get your P$2 info regarding Obi-Wan, Tom? |
Oh, and I see Obi-Wan on the P$2 release list...Hmmmm...
The game is not coming out for P$2, nothing at all has been announced! Gawd, I hope it isn't true. If it is, I might abandon LEC completely! |
Thank god it's not the same game. And I'll look out for Shenmue, I've heard good things about it.
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Hedo dere, guys! Mesa back! Gary bin haven lowda exams at da skool, so mesa nobein able to posten often. But mesa poppen in every nowanden.
Mesa got da bombad Dreamcast! Itsa muchen bedder dan da PlayStation 2! Gary be sayen dat it haven a maxi-big life. Peeple onlee liken da PS2 becus it haven a DVD, but you can picken up a DVD player for dirtee-cheep! Dave, yousa bombad! Get da Dreamcast, poodoo to da PS2! ------------------ http://www.galaxyfaraway.com/gallery...fa_swig211.jpg Gary The Gungan |
Damn, that Gungan is smart!
Welcome back Gary! |
Yeah, where have you been?
Oh, and Dave, You should also add Soul Calibur & Virtua Tennis(yeah, I know it sounds dull, but just read the reviews&btw, it's one of the best MP-fun you can get) to your list. ------------------ No! I am your father. |
I tried the Demo version of Virtua Tennis, and it's actually really cool! I don't have the full game, but I wish I had!
Soul Calibur is pretty much the best beat'em up ever! I also tried Ecco The Dolphin the other day, and it was surprisingly good. It sounds stupid, but it's really cool, just swimming around doing nothing...until you start the story that is...I'll be getting that as well! A lot of the magazines seem to be excited about Jet Grind Radio as well. Personally I didn't like it...played the demo from the Official DC mag... |
Don't hate it because it had a DVD - and that it got off in the wrong foot - It's cool. And OBI-WAN is on the final list of ps2.ign.com, take a look.
You were right at the beginning, guys. "Mabye I should get a PS2, If I am such a big fan of the PSX..." And I am. PS2 just got off on the wrong foot... and do you know why? Because they were making the console itself better for the public. Long live the PlayStation 2! ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! |
There's nothing bad about the PS2, it's just missing an Abe or two.
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Obi-Wan is still scheduled for PC only Tom. IGN is by no means an official source!
Wadda ya mean, "Wrong foot..."? |
You know, 'a bad start'. Why do you dis it?
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Here's why I'm not getting a PS2:
Sony made such a big fuss over the console, fueling the need to pre-order. I fell for it. But the cancellation of Munch's Oddysee (the main game I was looking forward to, and indirectly the reason I pre-ordered) was a wake-up call. I looked at the 22 launch titles and said "Eugh." The only good launch titles in the UK will be Starfighter and Rayman 2: Revolution. then, Super Bombad Racing, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Silent Hill 2. Dreamcast has great games like Demolition, Racer, SBR, JPB, Crazy Taxi, Half-Life...do I need to go on? It's not worth paying £300 for a console, when there are only two good games to play. Then, I have to wait until January until I can play SBR. I can pay £150 now for a DC, and have a wave of quality games. Then, this time next year, when there are a great set of games, I can pick up a PS2 for almost half the price. I will definitely be getting a PS2, but I'm not dishing out £300 for it, just so I can be the first to have one. I can wait, and the DC will tide me over until then. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg |
And, if you like the PSX so much, why not save £220 and buy a PSOne?
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Even I would get a P$2 before the PSOne!
And Tom, why I don't like the P$2?... Haven't I explained it already? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif I'll explain it again if you want... |
I've heard it about a 257 times http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif, but if you REALLY REALLY REALLY have to, don't make it longer then 5 lines allright?
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LOL!
I won't explain it again. Don't worry, it was just a friendly threat... http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif |
Seriously, would you spend £300 plus about £70 for two games at launch, when you could get over 1000 games on a cheap console? Do the math. Or, better yet, I will.
The PlayStation 2 will cost £300 at launch on November 24th. Of the two dozen titles to be released, only two look any good. Those will cost a bare minimum of £70. Plus £20 for a memory card. That's a grand total of £390 for a console, one controller, one memory card, and two games. The Dreamcast costs £145. With that, you get one controller, Chu Chu Rocket, and Sonic Adventures. The games cost a minimun of £30. The VMC costs £20. That's a grand total of £195 for a console, one controller, one VMC, and two games. Difference? £195. You could buy two Dreamcast packages for the same price of one PlayStation 2 package (but I don't see any reason to). The PlayStation or PSOne costs £80. With that, you get one controller. A Memory Card costs £10. Games cost between £20-£30. That's a grand total of £150 for a console, one controller, one memory card, and two games. Difference? £240. You could buy a PlayStation and a Dreamcast for less than a PlayStation 2. You know what? You're probably not even taking any of this in. I'm trying to say, don't waste your money just to be the first kid on the block with a PlayStation 2. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg |
Good comparison Dave!
But seriously, who would buy a PSX or PSOne now when their sequel is out? |
Because there are NO GOOD GAMES out for the PS2. Jeez Simpson, I thought at least you would be with me http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif
Who would pay £300, when they can get a less-powerful but more-enjoyable console? <FONT COLOR="#353535">500,000 fans, that's who! ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg [This message has been edited by Dave Maul (edited November 03, 2000).] |
Hehehe
True, you are right! I just see little reason in buying a PS at all... ;-) |
...and most of the games I want for PSX are out for Dreamcast too... And even better graphics with an internet connection and 4 player sockets.
Hmmm... (thinking) ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! |
If you want the Playstation 2 because of it's DVD player, then get this. For £250, you can get a Dreamcast, a Controller, Chu Chu Rocket, Sonic Adventures, a DVD player, and Lethal Weapon 3 DVD. All you'd really need is VMC, about £20. Where from, you ask? Toys 'R' Us.
But the deal may change on Monday, when if you buy the DVD player you get Toy Story 2 DVD free. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg |
And those X-Box stats you wanted:
CPU: 733 MHz Intel Graphics Processor: 300MHz custom Xchip, developed by Microsoft and nVIDIA Total Memory: 64 MB Memory Bandwidth: 6.4 GB/sec Polygon Performance: 300 M/sec Sustained Polygon Performance: 150+ M/sec (transformed and lit polygons per second) Micropolygons/particles per second: 300 M/sec Particle Performance: 300 M/sec Simultaneous Textures: 4 Pixel Fill Rate - No Texture: 4.8 G/Sec (anti-aliased) Pixel Fill Rate - 1 Texture: 4.8 G/Sec (anti-aliased) Compressed Textures: Yes (8:1) Full Scene Anti-Alias: Yes Micro Polygon Support: Yes Storage Medium: 4x DVD, 8GB hard disk, 8MB memory card I/0: 4x DVD, 8GB hard disk, 8MB memory card Audio Channels:64 (up to 256 stereo voices) 3D Audio Support: Yes MIDI DLS2 Support: Yes AC3 Encoded Game Audio: Yes Broadband Enabled: Yes Modem Enabled: Future upgrade DVD Movie Playback: Built in Game Pad Included: No Maximum Resolution: 1920x1080 Maximum Resolution (2x32bpp frame buffers +Z): 1920x1080 HDTV Support: Yes Note Anti-Aliasing, like the PS2. Basically, they are capable of producing graphics like this. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg [This message has been edited by Dave Maul (edited November 04, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Dave Maul (edited November 06, 2000).] |
Like 'what'?
Sorry Dave. As you said, 'I will definately be getting a PS2, but not yet.' Well, see you there. ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1.../seaseetom.gif Visit Saesee Tom and YLH's General Discussion Forum! |
So now you're waiting for the price to drop?
I think I might rent a P$2 when Starfighter comes out. I have to try it out! You can rent a P$2 at Blockbuster for 5 days for $20. Pretty good deal... |
No, still getting a PS2 now. Can we stop the bickering and changing our minds now? I am very sorry if I have offended anyone in any way through this last discussion. Thank you all for your views.
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Tom, when you started a topic named "What Console Shall I Get?", you must have realised that there would be "bickering".
I've just brought my Dreamcast for Christmas. Console, one Controller, one Visual Memory, Scart Lead, Chu Chu Rocket, Sonic Adventures, Tomb Raider TLR and UEFA Striker. All for just under £180 (roughly $270). An excellent deal if I do say so myself. Even the guy in Game said that the Dreamcast will be the top console for years to come. Viva La Dreamcast! ------------------ http://fan.starwars.com/davemaulsep1...les/Banner.jpg |
How is TRL on DC?
And did you sign up for that Sega.Net deal? |
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