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Kurgan 09-18-2002 01:30 PM

Reasons why the JK2 community is NOT dying
 
Despite the huge numbers of people who supposedly have stopped playing because of the gameplay changes of the recent patches, there are still people:

1) Buying the game and getting into it for the first time. Many of them may be like me... if you join a game community late, you fire up the latest patch the first time you install and play the game.

2) Creating and releasing mods. Some people are claiming that because revolutionary new mods aren't released every single day that editing is dead for the game. Good mods take time to create! And besides, we hear about new ones all the time, which are cool or awesome. Plus we've got the entire Q3 editing knowledge base behind us. Editing for JK2 didn't take the huge amount of time to learn (collectively) that JK1 editing did.

3) Playing the game. Take a look at the servers, they're still up and being used. Old ones go down and old clans break up, but new ones take their place and they fill up.

4) People still frequent this site to talk about the game. And we aren't the only JK2 site in existence... think about it!

And finally,

5) This game won the admiration of tons of review sites and fans, and its only been out since last March! Good games last longer than 6 months....

There's my rant. ; )

InfErnO 09-18-2002 02:11 PM

The game IS dead.

That's my rant.

Kstar__2 09-18-2002 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by InfErnO
The game IS dead.

That's my rant.

you pessimist!:mad:

if the game is dieing, that why the hell are you still here??

i totaly agree with kurgan!

NerfYoda 09-18-2002 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by InfErnO
The game IS dead.

That's my rant.

Thats a pretty wimpy rant. :) If the game is so dead to you then please stop playing it.

SPY_jmr1 09-18-2002 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kstar__2


you pessimist!:mad:

if the game is dieing, that why the hell are you still here??

i totaly agree with kurgan!

but, kurgan is god, and we ALL agree with him right?:);)

game dead? *PFFFTT*

wait for the bloody xpack, this place will be jumping...:D why do you think we have only part of the source?:cool:

Aoshi 09-18-2002 04:04 PM

go to www.teamwarfare.com and see how many teams are playing jk2. then go and look at how many teams are playing t2. it's a testament to how idiotic lucasarts and raven are. perhaps new people are coming and playing, but the overall skill level of those new people is gonna be wayyyy down. i think that lucasarts should have developed SW:G first that way the people that wanna pretend they're a jedi can do their thing and the competitive players could play jk2, which is a very unique and could have been an AWESOME game. instead the gamedevs listened to the whining 'jedis' about how this is too strong or that is too strong and how i wanna fight for 20 minutes and pretend i'm in a starwars movie blah blah. next thing you know all the saber stances will do 1 damage, the blocking rate will be 99%, guns will all do 1 damage as well, there will be no force powers except seeing and jump, and the game will be filled with people bashing each other with glowsticks or pelting each other with peashooters for an hour before anyone dies.

Elijah 09-18-2002 04:12 PM

*claps* I agree Kurgan

Although i hate the constant game changes i can live with it.

iSlak 09-18-2002 04:38 PM

Aoshi, that's why we have game modifications. The game will fit the various molds the community has a demand for.


As for reasons the game is still thriving...
  • JK2 is a common benchmark for new video cards.
  • Community developement rate (net-wise) is increasing.
  • New players are still joining the community.

Where did anyone get the idea community developement has been in a slump? It isn't exactly uncommon for a game to go a day without the release of a new map, mod, skin, etc...

There invariably will be large amounts of time between new releases from developers.

Unsurprisingly most of the individuals making comments on the topic of a seemingly lack of community generated content aren't adept to gaming communities in general.

rfa_vasquez 09-18-2002 06:47 PM

i dont think JK2 will die

Hiteche5 09-18-2002 10:22 PM

I just wish there were some servers in my area :(

Toonces 09-18-2002 10:37 PM

If you think the game is dieing that's just fine, when you get bored of it, just stop playing

I'm still having fun with it, planning quite a few more models too :D

There are two problems that MUST be addressed.
1) The Animation Code MUST become modifiyable
2) The SP Source Code MUST be released

#2 isn't likely which is truely sad

obi 09-18-2002 11:04 PM

Now, you know damned well people that whine and say that they have quit playing JKII still play it.


............

and they have the Kah-hunas to say that they do not like it, and they stopped.


makes me sah mad!

InfErnO 09-19-2002 02:45 PM

I never said that I play it. I posted an opinion. I'm not trying to convince someone. But it seems the majority doesn't get it and takes my messages as personal attacks. Lol.

Nevertheless, I gonna post messages if I feel for no matter if I play the game or not.

Of course the game will not die for newbies (not you Kurgan, I know you love newbies), just look at JK.

FatalStrike 09-19-2002 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aoshi
go to www.teamwarfare.com and see how many teams are playing jk2. then go and look at how many teams are playing t2. it's a testament to how idiotic lucasarts and raven are. perhaps new people are coming and playing, but the overall skill level of those new people is gonna be wayyyy down. i think that lucasarts should have developed SW:G first that way the people that wanna pretend they're a jedi can do their thing and the competitive players could play jk2, which is a very unique and could have been an AWESOME game. instead the gamedevs listened to the whining 'jedis' about how this is too strong or that is too strong and how i wanna fight for 20 minutes and pretend i'm in a starwars movie blah blah. next thing you know all the saber stances will do 1 damage, the blocking rate will be 99%, guns will all do 1 damage as well, there will be no force powers except seeing and jump, and the game will be filled with people bashing each other with glowsticks or pelting each other with peashooters for an hour before anyone dies.
100% Correct

The game was hijacked by a bunch of "Wanna B Jedi" that were far more interested in pretending they were Jedi, then playing a quality game. They sought to lengthen matches by making things weaker instead of simply playing and getting better. Raven agreed with them and the bleeding off of the best teams, players, and Mod makers began.

The fact is that the game won't be dead for a long long time. But what it will be is far less competitive then it could have been. It will not get the best Mod makers because they tend to follow the best competition.

So the game isn't dead, but it on life support waiting for someone to pull the plug.

Peace

lilJedi 09-19-2002 10:21 PM

i found it much more intense to have the possibility of being killed with one strike of the light saber. it made you think about how to attack or attacking with a strategy in mind instead of mindless swinging.

in a duel with two reborn...the match would be over in average of 5 minutes...with either them or me winning. if that long.

Darth Kaan 09-20-2002 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by InfErnO
The game IS dead.

That's my rant.

Yet here you are posting still......

Darth Kaan 09-20-2002 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by InfErnO
I never said that I play it. I posted an opinion. I'm not trying to convince someone. But it seems the majority doesn't get it and takes my messages as personal attacks. Lol.

Nevertheless, I gonna post messages if I feel for no matter if I play the game or not.

Of course the game will not die for newbies (not you Kurgan, I know you love newbies), just look at JK.

You think the game is dying even though you don't play it.....

What a troll.

Naphtali 09-21-2002 06:16 AM

There is no need to put down other threads to support your opinion, some individuals feel that have been here longer than others that like the JK and mots it will slowly die, however the main arguement is that JO will die quicker than the previous.

Thus those original fans reflect on what prolonged life to JK or MOts, Tc's, mods, great levels, and creative storytelling altogether, thats all people are saying, and again these people aren't just guys that popped up in the forum over night, but have been here a while, now patience for most is the key.

obi 09-21-2002 08:05 AM

Naphtali !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Someone who understands!


If these people would stop saying that JO is dead, it will not be dead! It's almost like they are willing it to be dead!

Russk Rijann 09-21-2002 09:14 AM

JK2 isn't really dead, its just sooo many idiots play becasue star wars appeals to the younger audience. There are a small majority that play for fun and these people are great, but the majority take this game as aquake MOD and play merely for kills.

Jk2 will however not live that long if various other source codes aren't released.

Models can only be SO good without new animations . . .

TheWhiteRaider 09-24-2002 01:02 AM

It died for some people, but living for others. I still play it alot. I rarely get new games due to lack of income so I play the games I have alot.

lilJedi 09-24-2002 02:03 AM

lack of income? what you work for burger king?

Kurgan 09-24-2002 06:32 PM

Bah, "skilled community" or not, "#1 selling game in the world" or not, "revolutionary new mods" or not, the fact is, the community IS STILL GOING STRONG (in terms of sales and playing) and if the game is truly dying or dead, why are you all still here?

That's what I don't get. If the game is dead and people have "moved on" why waste time here instead of flocking to all those other great games that are so much better than JK2 and all those communities that are so superior? ; )

Obviously, something is keeping them here, and the JK2.net community is just the tiny tip of the iceberg that makes up the whole JK2 community. Heck, I've never even BEEN to the zone since I got the game. But who knows how many have...

PS: I've said it before, but if you want raw numbers for successful games, try looking at Battlenet or any MMORPG that's been out for awhile. Dwarfs any FPS community, but that doesn't mean that other games aren't successful.

Quote:

Of course the game will not die for newbies (not you Kurgan, I know you love newbies), just look at JK.
Something of an ambigious statement. I love newbies? ; )

Maybe I don't feel the need to bash them constantly to improve my self image (like some unfortunate souls)?

I'm assuming you are referring to the natural process wherein people stop playing a game (for an infinite number of reasons: boredom, responsibilities at home or work, computer problems, too hard for them, internet problems, etc.) and new people buy the game and join the community to replace them. Some people act as if only 10,000 people buy any game and then when those people put it away, the community just disapears. I'm trying to get such people to see the bigger picture.

Look at JK, many of us in the JK2 community were JK veterans. Some of us were so hardcore, we played JK1 for years (myself included, and I'm talking MotS here too). We were all newbies when we first got the games, but after playing for a few years, you could hardly refer to anyone as a "newbie" unless you're just being a troll.

I think anyone who buys a game has a right to be a part of that game's community if they wish to. Although I have my doubts about so-called cheaters.... but that's another rant for another time. ; )

I think my above statements speak for themselves.

|DEM|Mosleg 09-24-2002 08:01 PM

I want to beleive that the JK2 Community is not dieing but I have saw a big, big, big increase in servers. And when I say, "big, big big" (big 3 times), I mean big.

There used to be about 850 servers visable on ASE and with atleast 10 with a low ping, with 20 people in them, and with atleast 3-5 open slots. Usually with some servers allowing up to 32 players. Now most of the servers that are full have a high ping and only allow 16 players or so.

The biggest server loss was the "Always Online CTF" server. That was one of the if not the best CTF JK2 servers that ever existed. I'm hoping within the next few months we get a dramatic increase of new members and see an increase of servers that allow more than 12 people to be in the server.

As I have been for the last few months I'm going to stick with JK2 trying to play it atleast once a day every day trying to keep it alive. I've only had the game since July 9th, but I've noticed even since then there has been a dramatic decrease in gameplay and servers. I'm hoping this all changes in the near future.

Datheus 09-25-2002 12:08 AM

Eh.. I'm expected an expansion pack, like someone said... Why would Raven and LucasArts hold back the SP and animation source codes.. it'd only piss their customers off... they wouldn't loose money on JKII, but they'd loose money on future games. I have a feeling that an expansion pack would breathe some life back into this game, although, I don't think it's lost much.. I mean, I'm a member at the Jedi Academy

( academy.jediknightii.net ) * alittle plug-a-roo :naughty: *

And in the last 3 or so weeks.. I've seen more new members then I have seen over the last 2 months. I think this game is far from dead, but it has the potential to die pretty fast if things continue going in the direction they're going (ie; whiners, spammers, people who say the game is dead...) But I see a expansion pack in the future, which will give a whole new spin on the game

Take CivIII for example.. I play that game, I love it, it's awsome, I should play it more often

I heared about the Play the World expansion and I almost soiled myself. I had said since I got the game, that the thing that would make it the *PERFECT* TBS is a MP part to it... I mean, the whole idea of diplomacy is taken to a whole new level with the MP expansion pack... and it will even turn the game into a RTS, if you so choose

I thnk an expansion for JKII, if done correctly, can make this game seems like a completely different game, it can't be something that just adds a few more levels, it needs to add a new concept to the game

DeTRiTiC-iQ 09-25-2002 04:51 PM

I enjoy playing JK2, I play it everyday. But I also think that it is dying. The best players for the game have left, CTF has nowhere near the number of servers it used too and the majority are clan servers.

The problem is the amount of mods which pitch themselves as an alternative to basejk. In JK this wasn't a problem because they didn't emerge until the base game had established itself well. But the modmakers are trying to get EVERYONE to play their own individual mods, its splitting the players AND its making good servers a lot harder to find.

Now a PROPER mod in my opinion should be something different than changing play dynamics in existing modes. Hydroball is an example of a good mod, an incredibly simple concept executed well. So far its the only mod which adds something new to the game instead of tweaking something which already exists.

I would like to see old JK mods like JediBall, Pong, JKRPG, Jnfiltrate! brough to JK2.

Kurgan 09-25-2002 04:55 PM

Mod communities expect more these days, that's for sure. Remember that JK/MotS never had source releases (or Dark Forces for that matter). The community pretty much came up with unofficial specs and scripting hacks on their own (and perhaps with a little bit of "unofficial" help from some devs...=)

Compared to the other games in the series, the devs have really bent over backwards for the mod community this time with JK2. Of course, compared to some other contemporary FPS games, its not as much. Oh well, I'm sure they tried...

Ideally, they'd release it all, but I'm guessing this is the SW liscense rearing its ugly head again... ; p

*Darth Vega* 09-26-2002 10:31 AM

As a person who stopped playing in early July and just reinstalled again the other day I can definatly say that this place is almost dead. Like nobody is posting here anymore compared to before!

Seems to me like a lot of you guys are in denial about it. Heck, Aliens Vs Predator 2 forums are more active than this and that game has been around 6 months longer than JK2.

Locke101 09-26-2002 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by *Darth Vega*
As a person who stopped playing in early July and just reinstalled again the other day I can definatly say that this place is almost dead. Like nobody is posting here anymore compared to before!


maybe the reason no one is posting anymore is because MANY OF US (including myself) are tired of hearing all this crap that you people are saying and are just playing the game. I mean today is the first time in like 2 months that i have come to these forums cause I was sick of all the whinners and peole saying the game is dead. The only people that ever come on these forums anymore are people who are trolls or people like me, who want to see what all the whinners are talking about so we can point and laugh at them for being idiots.

Spider AL 09-26-2002 11:22 PM

Yeah, Locke's right. The sheer number of kiddie-whining on these boards just turns me off, personally.

/me points at whiners and laughs

Ay, the game's great, let's all enjoy it! Except the whiners. Heh.

*Darth Vega* 09-27-2002 12:13 AM

dont shoot the messanger for stating the obvious. i admin at avp forums that are more active than this place. and avp2 has been out twice as long as jk2

Bacon00 09-28-2002 03:46 AM

lmao, you guys have no IDEA what a dead game is.

A dead game is one that has a community of literally 50 or so who play it daily, but nobody else. A dead game is one that isn't even supported by the company that created it anymore. A dead game is a game that is only still being played because the few players that still play it took it and tweaked it to become 100% user run.

Allegiance is a dead game. JK2 is not a dead game.

Toonces 09-28-2002 06:49 AM

heh, I just think it's funny that people are worried that the game is dyeing. I'm having more fun with this game then I ever did with the origional JK. It might be because I'm involved in the mod community, but it's also that I generally love this game :D

Everybody gets sick of a game eventually, when it happens for you it's ok, it's natural, people come and go all the time, but as long as your having fun with it don't worry :)

UT2k3 came out today, I plan on getting it, but it won't even come close to replacing JO for me. I will make models for that, it's has a much broader range of options, but I will not abandon this game or the community. There is so much to love about this game that no other game out there has. Just as a game itself, not Star Wars, but the actuall game, what other game has the combination of intense action, melee, cool magic powers?

I'd have bought this game even if it wasn't Star Wars because deep down, the game is flat out awesome :) It's quickly becoming one of my all time favorate games.

I won't kid anyone and say this game will be as popular as say Half-Life in another year, it won't be without some changes. The mod community IS the key to longevity. I really hope Lucas Arts reconsiders releasing either the SP source code, or the animation code, possibly both, it would do wonders for the community, as well as the actuall game itself, but even if they don't, I'll still be here, saber in hand, choping away, making models :)

TheWhiteRaider 09-29-2002 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lilJedi
lack of income? what you work for burger king?
Don't work at all. I earn a few bucks here and there. Heck the only reason I got JK2 was Because I got it on a holoday sale and I had a 5$ of coupon.

Lightning 09-29-2002 06:30 AM

i hate it when people say jk 2 is dead

Emon 09-29-2002 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by InfErnO
The game IS dead.

That's my rant.

Hardly. The number of players always decreases over time for EVERY game. Just because MP play isn't 100% perfect for everyone DOES NOT mean the game is dead.

Xenoeye 09-29-2002 07:54 PM

Re: Reasons why the JK2 community is NOT dying
 
All the points Kurgan made are fair enough but the facts are that overall (there will always be people coming and going) less mods are being released, the number of servers has dropped a little as has the number of players, no the games not dead yet but its less popular and its never going to be as big as some other online FPS games are.

I've seen a lot of clans die off and a lot of ladders shut down, Raven screwed up the game and its never been balanced in any version. Competitive JK2 is practically dead, pro JK2 never existed.

Anyway, why would a thread like this exist if it wasn't happening?;)

Lightning: I hate it when you say that and dont give reasons mate;) - (dled the UT2k3 demo, join the darkside:D [inside joke:)])

Spider AL 09-30-2002 10:38 PM

Only a silly person would claim that JO will be the next CS, Xenoeye, that'd take a miracle. But that doesn't mean JO's dying. JK1 is still being played by hundreds of people. It's not dead. It's a shame JO won't be as big as it could have been, but that doesn't mean it's less fun... perhaps it makes it more fun, I detest a lot of the trappings of "successful" games these days...

Most people can get a game of JO whenever they want one. That makes it alive and kicking, as far as I'm concerned.

FatalStrike 10-01-2002 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thespis
www.darkstats.com

Helping the community stay alive since 1.02. ;)

We are looking to expand into 12+ servers, hope to see you all around!

How about bringing back the 1.02 server you shut down!! Damn you!!

Psionic Jedi 10-01-2002 10:23 PM

The sheer volume of people asking how to beat certain SP levels, polling favorite skins and sabers, and giving feedback about the "greatness" of JK2 leads me to believe JK2 is still recieving new players every day.

As for the Forum dying, well there isn't much new to discuss (*cough* flame *cough*) about.

Darkside is always populated, and for that I am grateful.


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