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Aristotle 12-31-2002 04:46 AM

Your suggestions on prizes/modifications
 
With the new credit system... we understand that the default prizes for credits don't all fit our specific LF.Com needs given our very unique community....

So... Here's YOUR chance to give very specific feedback and input on this credit system.

1) What prizes do you want to see made available? Which ones should be scrapped? What should the amount of credits be for each?

2) Any other suggestions on modifying the system... fire away.

C'jais 12-31-2002 05:04 AM

1) Stickying a thread. Cool, if done with good intentions, and I don't suspect it'll be sticky forever. And give the mods the right to unsticky any dubious topic, IF there's a spammage of sticky topics.

2)Change custom title. Nice - now it's easier to get a custom title, hopefully making newcomers less spammy. Reduce the cost on this one, and you'll see a decrease in spamming even further.

3)Give another user a custom title. Hmm.... I foresee some gruesome abuses of this. It could still work however, if there was a time limit on it (EG 2 days) - and if changed into anything offensive, the mods are in their full right to punish the perpetrator in any way.

4)Add glow. Cool, no harm in that.

5)Moderator for a day. The big one. Could still work, despite the amount of abuse hidden in this option - the mods could get some extra man-power this way, relieving them of some work, and they're (again) in their full right to punish someone abusing this power by any means necessary. And that includes banning people. That'll make them stop and think about doing anything evil with this.

6)Add calendar event. Cool, I rarely check the calendars anyway - but with this, I just might. I can't see any harm in this. If the calendar gets spammed, look away.

7)Italic username. Same as for the glowing one.

8)Midi song. Hmmmmmmm.... Fine, as long as it doesn't drag the forum down with huge sound files. If that happens, remove it.

Are you (the mods) intending for us not to change our location? The profile section is currently down - is that intended, or just an accident?

I'll try to think up some new prizes.

Wacky_Baccy 12-31-2002 05:16 AM

I agree with you completely, Cjais :) (Now, where have we heard that before? :p :D)
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Posted by Cjais
Are you (the mods) intending for us not to change our location? The profile section is currently down - is that intended, or just an accident?
From what I've gathered so far, that's unintentional... If they did mean it to be like that, then I'll be sorely disappointed - I like to have my location match my title and/or avatar on occasion, and having to fork out ridiculous amounts of credits to change my standard profile info would really annoy me...

C'jais 12-31-2002 05:50 AM

I can foresee myself saving credits for when the usual troll passes by the swamp, then changing into a moderator and start laying the smackdown on the poor troll.

About the custom title - let's face it: most newcomers are desperate for such a title, and I can't count the number of times I've heard about them moaning that it somehow justififes their spamming because it's all only because they want that damn title. Give them the damn title :)

New prize: Uploading a file from your computer (like avs) to the forums, just like mods can. There ought to be a size limit, and it shouldn't be too expensive, as people can usually find a way to link to their file somehow anyway. But good for those that don't have any webspace etc.

Other prize ideas could be to cosmetically change your name (like with glow and italic), and.... well, that's all fer now!

Wacky: Great minds think alike... :D

Wacky_Baccy 12-31-2002 05:56 AM

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Posted by Cjais
I can foresee myself saving credits for when the usual troll passes by the swamp, then changing into a moderator and start laying the smackdown on the poor troll.
That was sort of what I had in mind, too... :D
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New prize: Uploading a file from your computer (like avs) to the forums, just like mods can. There ought to be a size limit, and it shouldn't be too expensive, as people can usually find a way to link to their file somehow anyway. But good for those that don't have any webspace etc.
Excellent suggestion - I've been wanting at least the possibility to post attachments for ages - this would be a nice addition to the 'store' :D
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Wacky: Great minds think alike... :D
So they do :D

I can't really think of anything other than the already-proposed cosmetic stuff right now, but if I think of something reasonable I'll edit it in... :)

Tie Guy 12-31-2002 06:55 AM

I posted some of this in the other thread, but i suppose it should go here instead.

About the moderator. Perhaps you could create a lower class of moderators that are below normal oes. These moderators would have the power to edit posts, and thats it. They can't move them or delete them or change people's anything. Keep in mind that a post, iff necessary, can still be effectly "deleted" without actually moving it from the forum. That way people who wanted to be a "high and mighty moderator" could still edits bad things or even entire posts, but someone who wanted to cause havoc couldn't say..delete every thread on the board. Not without an incredibly large amout of work and time. I'd imagine most people would use it to edit others posts and put things are the bottom or change it to say something odd or what not. Oh, and i'm not sure if this happens already or not, but the person have to know what "moderator" editted their post if it did happen.

Another thing, i'd like the ability to have images directly on the boards. In my sig you see a link to two banners, which i made myself. Neither of them are very large. I'd like to have them as sig banners but i can only post them as links. This would have to have limits as well, though. I wouldn't, of course, have both banners and the poem at the same time, it would be tho large size and space-wise. If a person decided to have incredibly large or spacious sigs, then the moderators could edit them down to more appropritate proportions.

And I totally agree with everyone on the attachments, that would be nice.


BTW Cjais, midis are made to be posted on the interenet. They aren't actually music at all, just "notes" so to speak. Your computer takes the midi and uses its dound card to play it. They are a little large, but nothing overwhelming, especially considering this isn't something everyone can do.

C'jais 12-31-2002 07:07 AM

Attachment! Attachment is the word is was looking for! D'oh! :D :p

Anyway - That could actually be another prize idea: Pay 1000$ and you get yourself a sig image. Yay or nay?

The way I see it, the boards wouldn't get dragged down by those images if only a select few had payed for them. Maybe I'm just horrified and exagerrating the lag that such sig pics would cause.

About the moderator for a day: I agree with you that they shouldn't be allowed to delete anything - lock threads, sure, but delete 'em? Hell no. However, I doubt people would start deleting the entire forum if they were the mod for a day - the banning, virus attacks and mailbombing afterwards would probably make them think twice about such things.

Hmmm.... Unless the moderator-for-a-day prize was saved to get rid of them trolls, I can't see it being very attractive. Look at it, how long are you on these forums anyway? Certainly not the whole day. That means you've just wasted 3000$ for having about 2/3/4 hours of editing mayhem, with most proper people only editing around 5 posts. It's not worth it, unless you're going to really f*ck things up.

A novelty idea at best, but one people aren't going to care much about.

Tie Guy 12-31-2002 07:17 AM

Another thing with the sig banners may be not to allow animations. Or maybe put a size cap on it. The two banners i have are only about 20K combined. Thats the same as an avatar. I do see how people with huge animations and sig banners that are 200K can slow things down, though.

Mex 12-31-2002 07:34 AM

-1 Mod-for-a-day, this should only be available to mature people [ only available to certain people ]

2- Custom title, make it lower like Cjais said

3- Lower the glow and italic name things to 250 credits.

Feral 12-31-2002 09:20 AM

I abhor the idea of "mod for a day". The thought of some spammer or idiot getting their hands on this scares me.

C'jais 12-31-2002 09:44 AM

I just got a new title without spending any points..... Profiles are back online!

Jo 12-31-2002 09:52 AM

i think the price for a custom title should be lower say...

*checks his points*
22...seriously though it should be lower...and i also think we ought to be able to buy a graphic sig..that we can keep on like...two weeks, but also have size limit..

Jed 12-31-2002 11:54 AM

Cjais, nice idea about the attachments.

Tie Guy, nice idea about the image in sig.

As for custom titles....I'm not sure, I mean that's really a reward for posting 1000 quality posts. Spammers will still spam to a point where they have enough points to buy a custom title. There's a way to stop that by ranking the thread down...but who takes the time to do that here? A show of hands?

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Acrylic 12-31-2002 12:41 PM

Hold on...did everyones post count go down or something?

Feral 12-31-2002 12:46 PM

Quote:

I said:
I abhor the idea of "mod for a day". The thought of some spammer or idiot getting their hands on this scares me.
And then, lo and behold...

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AcrylicGuitar said:
Hold on...did everyones post count go down or something?
I rest my case.

Joshi 12-31-2002 12:56 PM

the whole 'mod for a day' thing ahs to go. a hacker could do serious damage with IP adresses, we should just hand them out freely.

and also spammer could spam a lot more, open topics that were closed for spam or obscene material and sop on. not a good idea.

Tie Guy 12-31-2002 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Jedi220
Cjais, nice idea about the image in sig.

Yeah, nice idea, Cjais. :rolleyes:



Anyways, i wouldn't be so quick to trash a mod for a day prize. It would just have to have lots of restrictions. It already is really expensive. Other things would be (some of these i have said before), they can't delete anything, they can't close (or open) anything, they can't move anything, they can't change people's profiles, they can't see people's IP adresses, and they can't ban people even temporarily. So that leaves them with editting people's posts. The people who wanted to have a little fun still can with changing what people said/posted, and those who wanted to actually be moderators could still erase/modify what spammers said/posted. Even this would have the safeguard of letting everyone know who editted it so abuses can be attributed and dealt with.

With a system such as the one above i think we'd see a basically harmless yet possibly fun use of the prize. Plus, people still get the feeling of power knowing that they are a moderator on the almighty LucasForums network. ;)

All that being said, i'd probably never use it. But why not let everyone have the chance to be a mod when they really can't cause any serious harm, especially not without provoking swift retribution.

Feral 12-31-2002 01:53 PM

The name-change option is rather pointless, I feel. I also hate that they put "u" instead of "you"...that's just laziness.

Lynk Former 12-31-2002 04:08 PM

ooh, the images in the sigs will be a good one... but since that takes a bit of bandwidth and will prolly be the most sort after it'll have to cost a lot o credits

Redwing 12-31-2002 05:01 PM

My opinion? Okay, let's look through these.

Donate credits to another user

Obviously, can't see a problem with that one ^_~


Trade Credits For The Sticky Feature

This one could get out of hand...but as long as it's high-priced, it should be fine. ^_^ Of course, mods can unsticky any spam threads, so it should work.


Change Custom Title

Ack! This one's fine, sure, so long as those who already have the ability get to keep it!


Give another user a custom title

Ohhhhh. This could get out of hand. It MIGHT work if it's both expensive and mods (and people with over 1000 posts) have the ability to change it back. But even then...you have to weigh the fun to be had with the upset reactions of people who get changed and can't change it back. Neutral on this one.


Add Glow To Username

This one's kewl. The only problem I can see is if someone chose the wrong glow color and then couldn't change it for a long time...but as it's cheap right now, that shouldn't be a problem ^_^


Change Username

This should be more expensive to limit the number of times it's done - people can really only be identified by username. Besides that it's good.


Add Calendar Event

One of those things that will be good unless over-abused.


Trade Credits For An Italic Username

Sure, why not? Like glowy names, it's just an aesthetic thing. It's not like italic usernames identify anything (unlike bold and bold-italic, which identify mods and supermods)


Trade Credits For A Midi Song For Your Profile

Can't see a problem for this one. It's just when you view a profile, and midis, well, can't really overload the database.


Was about to rant about Mod for a Day but I see it's already gone ;)

Ideas:

Perhaps allow a user to trade credits to upload an attachment? Should be very expensive so as not to overload the server if implemented, of course...

Perhaps allow a user to, like others said, trade credits for a picture in their signature? Size limit, of course. (And removing it should preferably be free, considering)

matt-- 12-31-2002 05:17 PM

Stickies have a delay before another can be bought :)

Acrylic 12-31-2002 05:17 PM

Lets see here.......I dont like the whole custom user text thing. I really liked the fact that once u get 1,000 posts, u can change ur custom user text. Maybe u should change the price on that, I think that would be cool. And, the glowy user name thingy, thats neat.........awesome infact :)

Jed 12-31-2002 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Tie Guy
Yeah, nice idea, Cjais. :rolleyes:
My apologies, I edited my post accordingly. No need to get upset ;)

And you brought up a point I was just about to say:

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Originally posted by Tie Guy
All that being said, i'd probably never use it.
In my eyes, it's just that it's a feature we don't need. That's all I'm trying to prove. It's just a bunch of eye candy, but if it makes some ppl feel better, than there's not much anyone can do about it.

Tyrion 01-01-2003 01:01 AM

(didnt read above but)


$1000(Since you only get 3 for a post)to get the attachment ability of your .___ choice of either .Midi, .Gif, .Jpg, and .MP3 for as long as you stay on Lucasforums(note that you can get another .___ if you save up to get it).

Take "give another a custom title" away.

for 1500-2000,allow images in sigs.

Also, a monthly credits thing.1 person in each main forum(E.G. JK,JKII,Aresen,SWK,ect.) get's 100-500(your choice) of points by you deciding if they contributed to the forums.

How's that?

Joshi 01-01-2003 06:14 AM

okay, so although i'm well awar that dmin do browse the forums, they just don;t post as much, maybe moderators who interact more with the members of different forums should have a certain amount of credits which they can give to people they think deserve them (not friends, but people who provide a positive cotribution to the forum). although i can already see this maybe getting out of hand as some mods may just give it to friends and such. i dunno, i thought. maybe to make members behave more and not spam as much.

C'jais 01-01-2003 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Neil Joshi
okay, so although i'm well awar that dmin do browse the forums, they just don;t post as much, maybe moderators who interact more with the members of different forums should have a certain amount of credits which they can give to people they think deserve them (not friends, but people who provide a positive cotribution to the forum). although i can already see this maybe getting out of hand as some mods may just give it to friends and such. i dunno, i thought. maybe to make members behave more and not spam as much.
First of all, I'd like to hear the moderator's definition of "community contributing".

It's a good idea, but the mods might just need some moderating themselves, if this doesn't shouldn't go out of hand.

But if pulled through, the members would definately start behaving (I hope).


It would also mean more modding work, though.

Joshi 01-01-2003 08:09 AM

well it seems to me that these moderators are bein' moderated by the admins. the admins know 'xactly what these mods do in their forums. each forum has it's own admin, or more, and each forum's sub forums has it's own mod or more. seems to me that if this were to go ahead then of course some rules and giudlines would have to be set to for the mods to follow. maybe even that if credits were to be awarded, the mods of the forum would all have to agree that credits be given to them. (i.e., if a mixnmojo mod were to give credits to someone on the mixnmojo network, then all the mixnmojo mods would have to agree). this way, the mod would have to justify why this person deserved to get credits.

and you said about this being more work for mods. well as new technologies come along and new things like this come along, it's only natural that more work would be involved for the people who run this forum. the admin adn such would have to put this together, tell the people adn keep it under control as well as in the best interests of the people (like this thread). so the mods, who also help in the running of this network, would also have to have more work put onto them. the american governemnt has a president and a vice president. with more advancements in americana and the world, both of them would have more work to do. the same here.


and now finally, a strict punishment rule here which i know people aren't going to like, but without rules what are we, those members who spam a lot or generally misbehave (again justified by mods or admin) would have credits taken away from the. what do you think?

Feral 01-01-2003 09:13 AM

I agree with Neil's idea of having the mods take points off members for spam/misbehaviour...sure, it's more "work", but worth it if it increases the overall quality of posts in the forums.

JR2000Z 01-01-2003 12:06 PM

This is not so much a prizes/modifications for how many posts someone makes but how long they've been here. I think we should have a private forum for the active members who been here from 1997-2000. This should keep other LucasForum veteran members in better touch of one another.

I thought of this because it isnt really fair for the people who only been here for three months to recieve some recognition while the active members who been here 3-5 year who recieves nothing.

leXX 01-01-2003 12:13 PM

My initial thoughts when I read about this new points system were that it sucks! I dunno, I can't see this working somehow. Giving such power to the spammers and trolls can only be a bad thing!! :(

matt-- 01-01-2003 12:47 PM

You can now buy the ability to use [img]s in your signature. The images are limited to a size of 500 by 80, which should be enough for anybody...anything beyond those dimensions is made scrollable.

Acrylic 01-01-2003 01:09 PM

OMG! Thanks for the IMG tag thingy matt! I cant wait to save up the points!!!! Yes!

Lynk Former 01-01-2003 02:19 PM

howabout a thing were u can have a bigger avatar (i don't mean dimensions, i mean file size)... ?

Feral 01-02-2003 01:22 AM

I think you should lower the number of points required to change your name, but that might just be me.
Besides, isn't that entire option moot, since we can just come in here if we need one?

matt-- 01-02-2003 02:13 PM

You can now buy an attachment for 100 credits.

Notice that you only get one each time you buy. Your account can hold more than one at a time, however.

Example: to post 2 files
buy an attachment for 100 credits
buy another attachment for 100 credits
use attachment
use attachment

I hope that was clear enough ;)

Tyrion 01-02-2003 06:53 PM

Change Italics to 300 credits,like Glowing, becuase I dont really see a reason for it to be 200 credits more.

Joshi 01-03-2003 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by JR2000Z
This is not so much a prizes/modifications for how many posts someone makes but how long they've been here. I think we should have a private forum for the active members who been here from 1997-2000. This should keep other LucasForum veteran members in better touch of one another.

I thought of this because it isnt really fair for the people who only been here for three months to recieve some recognition while the active members who been here 3-5 year who recieves nothing.

i'm not too overly enthusiastic about this. you're telling me that people who've only been here a short amount of time shouldn't be able to get credits. may i remind you that back in 1997 not a lot of people had the internet or had even heard of internet forums. i certainly hadn't encountered them as much until i joined her last year. you're making this seem like a loyalty award when many people who were here in 1997 have left by now. new people have come in. i agree with you'r "oldies" forum as a way of keeping the oldies together (which i'm sure would be overun with newbies pretty soon after creation, but it was a nice idea) but i don't like the idea of people being treated differently because of how long they've been here, that in my opinion is just wrong.

Ender 01-03-2003 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrion
Change Italics to 300 credits,like Glowing, becuase I dont really see a reason for it to be 200 credits more.
Add a "refund credit" option for Glowing, because people that don't use Internet Explorer might not realise this option does nudda, nothing, zippo. And that is just a totally unfair ripoff (IMHO this option should be reduced to $1 anyway, because it does mean that if somebody buys it they might not realise a portion of viewers won't see it regardless :)

-s/<itzo- 01-05-2003 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Lynk Former
howabout a thing were u can have a bigger avatar (i don't mean dimensions, i mean file size)... ?
yeah i agree with Lynk.

extend the limit for the av size to an extent where it don't hurt the loading time that bad.

i was thinking 35-40,000 kb

and about the dimesions 80x80 if ain't pushing it.

but the file size is whats really important here.

admins, put this idea to some consideration. i think everybody (av makers) would love this feature.

Deft Aklin 01-05-2003 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neil Joshi
okay, so although i'm well awar that dmin do browse the forums, they just don;t post as much, maybe moderators who interact more with the members of different forums should have a certain amount of credits which they can give to people they think deserve them (not friends, but people who provide a positive cotribution to the forum). although i can already see this maybe getting out of hand as some mods may just give it to friends and such. i dunno, i thought. maybe to make members behave more and not spam as much.
I love this idea. Getting points for being a positive contributor can only bring positive things in the hands of good mods. Although, greed corrupts, but that is the way of the dark side. ;)

Anyway, with some work, I think it could be a great addition. After all, some of us contribute, but it could take forever to save some of the points to change titles and such. *doing the math in his head* I need like 4500 credits to do the stuff I want. :eek:
Grrr!:mad:


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