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Old 03-23-2004, 03:35 PM   #14
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Originally posted by leXX
I didn't say he wasn't presenting his views in a civilized manner. I simply will not bother having a discussion with a sexist, because anything I say will fall on deaf ears, and would be a complete waste of my time.
Please leave the personal predisposition crap you carry, in the trash where it belongs. Here's the inside scoop - if this was as personal as you make it out to be, I usually wouldn't give your opinion the time of day just because you are who you present yourself to be, however I have to, because someone somewhere gave you the position of authority (which was justified to the one who gave it to you I guess - but don't worry, we'll come back to that).

So don't flatter yourself to be any better than me woman, because your farts doesn't smell any more like flowers than mine do.

Okay? Thanks.

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That comment was immature. A man's chest is not a sexual part of his body
I thank you for trying to teach me what is sexual and what is not. Here's some inside fact - I've been having sex since I was 11 years old (for those ignorant to biology - that's two to three years permaturely before males are sexually ready to procreate) - so I think I can safely say that I've had enough training in what is sexual and what isn't (btw, the fact I had sex prematurely doesn't necessarily mean it was rape - only by law). Now I don't know what your experiences are like - but the true inside scoop is that you have no idea what it's like to be a man and therefore are not qualified to judge werther the tip of my toenail is sexual or isn't. In my experience, it _is_ sexual, and since I'm a man I can stand by that fact. See - if what you say is true, then I can say that female breasts are not sexual. But we're giving you the benefit of the doubt (because it has been documented that female breasts are a sexual object) so we're considering it as a sexual thing.

Get your facts straight.

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It is hard enough for the women in this forum to feel comfortable as it is. We are faced with many stereotypes such as we are rubbish at games, don't like Star Wars, we must be ugly to be posting here etc etc. A picture of bouncing boobs belittles us further. It is a symbol of male dominance, which says one thing, women are nothing but sexual objects to be gawked at.
Ah, there we are. The real reason. Let me break it down to you.

a) You are not the authority on how women feel on this forum - however I would like to hear from other women on this forum that are /not/ your friends, and do not feel that loyalty to ride the same ship you do (see I get to do that because I as a male am the accused one here as the rest of the males on this forum of being women abusers )
b) You are not the authority on deciding for all women on this forum how they feel about their gaming abilities, skills or looks
c) You are not the authority on what is or is not a symbol of male dominance (because you obviously don't understand the concept) and what it is trying to say

Now that we broke down the fact that you are indeed not the ruler of this universe, we can safely say that you don't have a point. You only have your opinions which are, to be perfectly honest, not found on anything but your own (horrific as they may be) experiences and the fact that you haven't been schooled enough in the art (yes, I meant to say art) that is the human body. As far as human feelings go in accordance to the human body - in this case the female human body - you can ONLY speak for yourself. The fact that you see yourself as a sexual object for males to gawk at (which is, by the way, true for a big part of this community, supporting your point - but you generalize so I get to kill it) , inept in your skills to hold a game - that's your problem.
You don't see me bitching and whining how females are getting better grades in schools because they are _females_ and how I see them turn on the waterworks to get their grade changed (that's a fact, I've witnessed it MORE than once, and as I've been told other people have) or how the only reason you ever qualified to be a moderator was the fact that you are popular, and the reason you are popular is because you're a female in a male infested community (and you know it, since you obviously hold the male world associated with gawking at you because of your breasts - good call).

Let's continue, shall we?

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It is also inapropriate for this forum. We have a certain standard to maintain seeing as there are a high number of younger members. Allowing an avatar like that can lead to a number of other similar avatars, and this is a family forum (the Star Wars forum at least).
Okay, forum/family values. No. You can't say "still boobs are okay, but bouncing ones aren't" and still play the "inapropriate" harp. That's like laughing and then saying "No, it's not funny". Also may I REMIND you that the Star Wars universe is gruesome as well as sexual in itself (you might want to reference YOUR OWN AYALA SECURA THREAD IN YOUR FORUM - which isn't sexual, but downright disturbing because the character is an ailien - therefore of a different species - kind of like trying to insinuate a goat is sexy) - and shot by a live video camera (people were just wearing costumes for the most part - aside from CGI). Here is where you don't have a point about this being a family/good values forum. The bouncing image was an ANIME image (by the way - NOT hentai - I deal a lot with anime and hentai for a website, separating the two, and I _KNOW_ the boundaries) which was drawn by hand.

Oh, and while you're on the "values" concept, why don't you go change the ad's for here - they're mostly for whoring or picking up sexual partners. What's that? You can't change them? So money and keeping this place alive is _more_ important than values? Thought so. Thank god, because I'm all for keeping this place alive by any means necessary, as is apparently the one who pays for the server (although it's not something to be shouted with a megaphone)

Next.

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Would it be ok to allow a picture of an animated covered bouncing penis? No it wouldn't. And yes, boobs fall into the same category. Both are sexual parts of the body that if presented uncovered on this forum, would be considered porn. Would it be ok to allow a picture of real boobs bouncing up and down? No it wouldn't. The fact that the avatar is a cartoon makes no difference.
Here again you go with the penis. Didn't I tell you above that it just DOESN'T compare? Get the biology straight. It's NOT the same category, and in this instance I don't have to be a woman to realize it because I've had male and female scientists to write books about it for me to read them, backed up by research. Move on, that point was killed by me a long time ago. Also - real boobs that are covered up, bouncing would probably be more amazing than the anime ones - however we're discussing ANIME only here, which is a much lesser charge than the real thing.

Next.

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I myself have boobs in my avatar, so as you can see, I am not offended by pictures of boobs, so long as they are presented in a decent manner. If someone was to have a picture of just boobs, then I would consider it offensive aswell, for the reasons stated above.
Congratulations - you at least tolerate it to some end, thank god. However now you say that the image of still breasts is offensive, yet it is acceptable? Get on the proper ship, you can't ride two.

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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Having not seen the avatar, I can't really comment on this particular case. But, in principal, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Now I'm not for all out porn on the site(or any really). But it seems pretty mild when you think(as far as I know) there isn't a single starwars anything, without killing.
It just strikes me as odd that I can spend all day lopping heads and arms off anakin skywalker, but once I come on the forum and see a 70x70 gif showing, oh my god, breast! That this should offend me? Forgive me but I'm a little unimpressed. True I would look at the user that had that as their avatar as a little suspect, maybe a little juvenile, but I think that's a good thing. I know without interacting with that person that we don't see eye to eye on at least one issue.
Preach

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Originally posted by Siv
personally i thought gorgan's avatar was harmless, but then thats a male's point of view. if the female's point of view is thats it's offensive then we must respect that.

Ah here we are. The waterworks concept I was describing.

No we don't.

You don't see me screaming how I want to sue Lucas Arts because of the forums "Ayala Secura" thread which deeply disturbs me to no end. Nobody gives a **** about werther I find that, or anything else disturbing or not, unless it's a social history issue. Sorry Siv, but if it doesn't go both ways, it doesn't apply in the real social world. Aren't you women all for equality anyway? If equalibrium doesn't exist on both sides crap like that doesn't apply.

PREACH

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Originally posted by edlib
If anybody finds an avatar offensive for any reason then it should be removed.

Read above, young grasshopper.

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Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
I actually agree with the women. Would you want your penis on the internet bouncing up and down for the world to see and laugh at you for coughwhatever reaoncough? I imagine that's what it's like for them.

And frankly, it's not your forum. What the admins choose, is what will be.
Now things like these just piss me off to no end - sorry to get emotional but this just goes on my nerves.

a) Get your schooling straight - stop reading leXX's crap for granted, unless you really feel you are a woman abuser (because if you read more carefully and analyze she actually in her generalistic terms has you pegged for one)

b) Never, EVER EVER state me the obvious. I know what the admins can and can not do. I know it, I respect it. This isn't democracy - this is more like tyranny - but as I said above, members opinions _SHOULD_ count. That is why this thread exists. Read my post, not just the one of the female so you would feel safe and secure and every female would love you.

and I know I stated the obvious above even though I said it nerves me, but some people just need it when they harp without a point

Aside from the replied above, congratulations to some people (you too actually leXX - I was gonna get dissapointed by your first reply) for actually keeping the discussion going.

Now, you may insult me as you see fit.

Oh sorry, one more thing before I go.

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Originally posted by STTCT
Sorry 2 outta (how many girls that go to the swamp) find it offensive. So I think it should have been removed purely because it could be viewed as Sexual Harrasment by the female forumers of this community.
WHAT? Even if I try to imagine correct spelling - sexual harrasment -

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Originally posted by BlackDove:
WHAT?


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