I know you are kidding around Rumor but show fallen some respect on these boards. Check out DSbr's old site:
check out the TWL scores. FK (who was undefeated on TWL in full force tffa except for the fots hacking fiasco) gave DSbr a pretty good match even though they weren't a full weapon ctf clan, and had barely ever played it. In all fairness (i'll be the first to point out how elite DSbr was) if it had been saber only ctf, FK would have romped them way worse than DSbr beat them in full weapon.