I have to go to work shortly but when I get back I'll start a new thread (just in case they do restore the old threads which I doubt) unless Red wants to do it sooner.
"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
Official Forum Expert on Norse Mythology
As Odin says in the Hovamal:
"Praise no day 'til evening; no wife 'til on her pyre; no sword 'til tested;
no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."