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Old 12-13-2006, 03:24 AM   #188
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Originally Posted by Evln
There's no evidence that suggests the contrary either. You keep saying Nihilus should be much harder to beat according to the plot. But the plot is, as far as I see, merely suggesting that Nihilus has a devastating draining power. His fighting skills? We do not know. Him being strong in the force? Maybe, as he could keep the scrapped Ravanger together through the Force. But still, I don't see the plot saying he's a good fighter other than the god-like draining power.
I don't see the plot not saying he's a good fighter either. Whether he was or not is debatable, since their was no definitive answer given in the game. The reason why I think that Nihilus should have been harder to beat is because it was anti-climatic how Nihilus went down so easily, not because I've said he was a good fighter, because the truth is, I don't know if he was or wasn't. I'm not going by how hard he was in the gameplay. Why should I?

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Originally Posted by Evln
As you and jediphile argued earlier against Revan, the gameplay is all we can take reference from when no other authoritative source suggests otherwise. But now for Nihilus you say gameplay has nothing to do with his ability, notwithstanding absence of proof that says otherwise. You certainly don't think you're a little bit biased here?
Not at all. I challenge you to quote me for ever saying that the gameplay is all we can take reference from when no other authoritative source suggests otherwise. I did not say that.

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Ah, but if all come into play, why then, did you get it all after Jawajoey said "I meant he sucked in combat"? He didn't even specific whether he meant "plot combat" or "gameplay combat".
What else could he have meant, since their wasn't any proof in K2 that Nihilus' did/didn't suck in "plot combat'? I assumed he understood this, so figured he was talking about the gameplay, not the plot, since in "gameplay combat", he did suck.

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Look, you're still having this blind spot here. Yes, in terms of plot, Nihilus could beat anyone except the Exile, but only because of his draining ability. You agree with that? If yes, then see, Jawajoey made a Presumption of Nihilus and Revan having a traditional fight when only sheer fighting skills count. It was in his opinion that without the draining ability Nihilus would not win because he's not as good a fighter as Revan. So indeed, even in terms of plot, Nihilus could "suck", because Jawajoey made a presumption of having a "traditional fight".
What does this have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by Evln
Why then, did you not get it? Because, as indicated by my quote of yours,
You presumed Nihilus could beat anyone even without the draining ability. But as explained in my earlier paragraph, this presumption is, indeed, questionable.
I DID NOT presume that Nihilus could beat anyone even without the draining ability. I challenge you to prove that as well.

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It being irrelevant doesn't make you overlook what Jawajoey was trying to say. His point was irrelevant, but he still meant what he meant.

We should have moved along. But as now we're having a turn of discussion concerning Nihilus's sheer combat skill, plot-wise, which is relevant to the topic, we may as well continue.
No we shouldn't really continue, because we simply don't know if Nihilus was/wasn't good at saber combat 'plot wise' since their isn't any proof to suggest if he was/wasn't. We don't even know if Revan would/wouldn't win against Nihilus without his draining ability.


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