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Old 11-03-2007, 09:50 PM   #202
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You know, respect does not just start where you not going to kill someone/something.
I never knew....

Trust me, I have more respect than that. Do you?

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Fine. Me too. Again: not the point in question.
Ah, we do agree on something. But you're right, that wasn't quite the argument.

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Perhaps statements like "they're one hair above dirt" combined with "I believe in god, that he created everything and his word is teh law rana rana" make you look like hypocrites on your own.
Did I ever say that I treated them as if they were one hair above dirt? No. (although, if you saw one in your home, would you be so sorry if you squashed it?) However, I did make the statement that one cockroach matters just a little bit above than dirt - and I did not use "dirt" because of some derogatory reason, I could have used rocks, or trees, or whatever.

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Imagine but one second what your god might think when you call his work use- and worthless.
You seem to be referring to a statement that I can't recall making. Did I ever say cockroaches were useless/worthless? Er..... No. Everything has a place in the world, and a use. I firmly believe that. You seem to be putting words in my mouth, my friend.

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You all defend the principle of sin (which is also a creation of your god)
You haven't really read any of my posts, have you?

I have actually noticed that you pretty much respond to half my posts, and ignore all the rest, though. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to argue my view about sin when you don't even listen.

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or even the existence of Satan as necessary for free will to exist and so on, despite the fact that is causes so much suffering,
Again, we've already been over this, before we got on a little tangent here.

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but when it comes to a simple creature, also made by god, you go "Bah. Away with it!"
Putting words in my mouth....

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Choose what? My brother over a cockroach when both lives are in danger? Come on. This is not about choosing.
Oh, no, I think it's very relevant. Are you actually going to answer the question?

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It's about that one cannot spout god's oh so true words upon everybody who thinks different,
You know, I like how you work in all that sarcasm and stabs at religion in that one little paragraph. But that's not the point.

Before this thread, I don't think any of us were trying to "spout god's oh so true words upon everybody who thinks different" on you. Do you just have some mindset that religion is trying to impose its beliefs on yours? Seems to be some kind of problem on your end, because I certainly haven't done it. Are you kind of overly defensive about your views?

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and how one must respect religion and whatnot,
I don't recall saying that. Although, I would agree to the extent that you should give respect where respect is due. (kind of a Bible principle ) Which may not be in a religion, of course.

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and at the same time talk disrespectful about any other of god's creatures! Is that a so difficult logic to follow?
You can't work both sides of the fence, Ray. You can't have "oh, you're a hypocrite, you disrespect God's creatures" and then say "god is immoral, he isn't doing things right, creatures have been evolving for millions of years and are just about equal to humans, etc." Your actual belief, I would think, would have nothing wrong with disrespecting creatures - which none of us have done, incidentally.

In fact, you have been disrespecting God in some of your posts, much less His creation. And, well, that's your choice. Nothing I can do about it. But I just wonder the idea of disrespecting the Creator and then calling other people out because you think they are disrespecting the Creation.

Again, humans were supposed to be the caretakers of the world, that's what the Bible says. That's pretty much my viewpoint on humans and animals; you seem to think that we're both equal, of course. Again, think of the rocks.... (wait - you did actually read that part of my post, right?)

Well, unless you have anything else directed to me, I'll be pretty much out of this discussion.
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