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Old 01-25-2009, 06:37 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
The point is, there needs to be a certain amount of politicking as well as resolution to problems. Now, if Obama came out and said "Well, folks, we've fixed Gitmo and we're giving them a fair trial and we've stopped torturing! Have a nice January!" I feel like it wouldn't have had the same effect as what he did, completing those objectives (by year's end) and letting everyone walk around saying "Obama closed Gitmo!"
And next we'll see them be released and they go right back to trying to kill Americans all over again.

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Oh, well then. Could you please give (read: make up) a percentage of those in this "overwhelming majority"? And maybe even specific plots stopped by torture. Thanks.
Oh you mean the fact there was only 3 terrorists that were waterboarded total?

But there was one spy chief on the Hill this week with good news. CIA Director Michael Hayden confirmed that the CIA has used waterboarding and that it works prodigiously. The agency only used this technique of simulated drowning three times since September 11, 2001, saving it for terror leaders who have posed the utmost threat to our security, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, mastermind of attack on the USS Cole, Abu Zubaydah, the brains behind the thwarted millennium attacks, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who directed September 11 as deserving a trio of barbarians as any waterboardist can imagine.

From these brutes and in the wink of an eye Mr. Hayden reports the CIA got a quarter of all the human intelligence it obtained from 2002 to 2006. Now we also know that this impressive interrogation technique was undertaken not only with the knowledge of the Bush administration but also that of then House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and then ranking Senate Intelligence Committee member Jay Rockefeller.
--Washington Times

How many people are imprisoned at Gitmo? Cause only 3 people have been waterboarded.

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Do you know why they're afraid of criminal prosecution? Because, in 2006, the case Hamdan v. Rumsfeld decided (that would be our Supreme Court, by the way) that all "enemy combatants" are entitled to Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.
And what does it say about deliberately targetting innocent civilians, particularly children. Seriously, the Supreme Court in this case was wrong because they were not enemy soldiers in uniform.

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Also, re: all those who are being held without charges, see the case Boumediene v. Bush, which decided that "the prisoners had a right to the habeas corpus under the United States Constitution and that the MCA was an unconstitutional suspension of that right."
And in this case we are at war, if you study your history you'd find that Abraham Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War.
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