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Old 02-18-2009, 08:21 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL
The Patriot Act didn't stifle free speech like the "Fairness" Doctrine would, and I imagine you already knew that.
Nice try:
Freedom from unreasonable searches: The government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

Right to a speedy and public trial: The government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

Freedom of association: To assist terror investigation, the government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity.

Right to legal representation: The government may monitor conversations between attorneys and clients in federal prisons and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

Freedom of speech: The government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

Right to liberty: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. US citizens (labeled "unlawful combatants") have been held incommunicado and refused attorneys.

So, how are you going to skew that to be a liberal lie bent on helping terrorists?

Originally Posted by GarfieldJL
Any other berating comments? Seriously, Obama's been proven to lie about everything else thus far, including his promise of transparency, promise of no lobbyists, promise of ethical people in cabinet positions (most of them have tax problems).
Nice try, but I don't recall that politicians are great people in the first place. I did not say Obama was amazing. I said that a lot of this liberal and left smearing you've been doing for awhile now is because you are ticked off now that you are on the other side of the score board, as you have thus far left the right alone in your many smear threads.

McCain was hardly much better as far as his affiliations and lies went, but I believe I already presented those facts to you and you brushed them off.

Originally Posted by GarfieldJL
That would actually be more believable than your conspiracy theory that Bush was out to take over the world.
When did I say he wanted to take over the world?

Good job pulling something out of thin air.

Originally Posted by GarfieldJL
I don't hate the left, the far left is downright scary though, and that is what most Democrats in the House, Senate, and Presidency are. I honestly would rather have Hillary Clinton as President of the United States, because I feel she is more to the political center than Obama.
So, you hate the far left as a far right? You didn't answer my point that extremes are dangerous for both sides.

Were the far right in charge any better? "Of course they were."

Your intentions to rule out extremes and deceit is admirable, but you've decided to only focus on one side of this many sided system.
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